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Calinative said:
I wasn't even involved in the original conversation lol, so how would I be refusing to admit I was wrong or doubling down
The response was literally that UNC had never won anything pre-jordan. You submitted the ******* wiki article lol. I just posted the actual Numbers of their APpoll finishes. You just chose to leave off the yr they won the national championship in the image as well...

Yale? Lol, that was pre 1910s
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Oh, yeah, I was trying to be selective...give me a ******* break. I posted as much as I could from the Dean Smith era, which actually pre-dated the modern Division I basketball history.

Again, when Jordan joined UNC, they had not effectively won ****, at least not while black players were allowed to be on the same court as white players.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Oh, yeah, I was trying to be selective...give me a ******* break. I posted as much as I could from the Dean Smith era, which actually pre-dated the modern Division I basketball history.

Again, when Jordan joined UNC, they had not effectively won ****, at least not while black players were allowed to be on the same court as white players.
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So is you're ENTIRE comment about me saying they won a championship in 1956? lol
 
Calinative said:
Well UNC did win a Championship in 1956, Then finished top 16 in 17 out of the next 24 seasons (71%) before Jordan. Finished Top 10 in 11/24 seasons (46%), and Played (and lost) in 3 National Championship Games - including the year before Jordan got there.

But the context is also that John Wooden was at UCLA during this period until 1974 where he won 10 Championships... So they weren't going to win a Championship regardless.
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Why are you wasting your time with this nonsense? It's obvious some people on this board read to argue, not comprehend. UNC has been a power in college basketball for the better part of 70 years. Ring culture has ruined sports discourse, because people don't understand that there are tons of very good to elite entities that have consistently competed for titles, despite not having a billion rings. Context matters. UNC under Dean Smith was as good as there was, period. Anyone trying to argue otherwise isn't a serious person.

I was merely making a comparison between TTU and UNC, as in, TTU wasn't all that great before Mahomes, so his star power is magnified as a result. You can easily make the argument that Jordan wasn't even the best UNC player ever, their history is that **** deep, they have had so many outstanding players, players that won championships and made multiple Final Four runs. It's different when you are part of a machine, compared to being the unquestioned star.

People ignore the fact that Michael Jordan wasn't always the end all be all in regards to basketball players, there was a time when people could have legit arguments about him not being unquestioned GOAT at every level. Honestly, you can still have those arguments, as long as people like Bill Russell, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar exist.
 
Canedude08 said:
Why are you wasting your time with this nonsense? It's obvious some people on this board read to argue, not comprehend. UNC has been a power in college basketball for the better part of 70 years. Ring culture has ruined sports discourse, because people don't understand that there are tons of very good to elite entities that have consistently competed for titles, despite not having a billion rings. Context matters. UNC under Dean Smith was as good as there was, period. Anyone trying to argue otherwise isn't a serious person.

I was merely making a comparison between TTU and UNC, as in, TTU wasn't all that great before Mahomes, so his star power is magnified as a result. You can easily make the argument that Jordan wasn't even the best UNC player ever, their history is that **** deep, they have had so many outstanding players, players that won championships and made multiple Final Four runs. It's different when you are part of a machine, compared to being the unquestioned star.

People ignore the fact that Michael Jordan wasn't always the end all be all in regards to basketball players, there was a time when people could have legit arguments about him not being unquestioned GOAT at every level. Honestly, you can still have those arguments, as long as people like Bill Russell, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar exist.
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Texas Tech:
•Mahomes: 16-21 record at TTU, 11k+ yrds, 93 TDs & 29 ints.
•Harrell: 28-11 record at TTU, 15k+ yrds, 130+ TDs & 34 ints.

Do u know the difference between Mahomes reputation at TTU vs. Graham’s rep? NFL success & ring culture. Lol.

We’re talking about a player’s name being on a college team’s jersey, or did u forget the premise? Michael Jordan is not just important to UNC, he’s important to shoe culture in general. No Michael Jordan, & there’s no Patrick Mahomes, Kobe’s, LeBron’s, etc. More importantly, if there’s no Jordan, then Nike doesn’t exist as it is. So the POINT was, if Jordan doesn’t have his name on the back of helmets & jerseys as a brand sponsor, including his own alma mater, then y in TF would Mahomes?

I’m amazed every time I come on CIS at the level of contradictions ppl can post in a single response. This **** said ring culture has ruined sports, while simultaneously admitting Mahomes is TT’s most famous alum, not b/c of what he actually did at TT…..but…..b/c…..of…..winning……RINGS at The NFL level! This **** said u can make an argument that Jordan wasn’t even the best UNC player ever (speaking of his time at UNC), when QUITE LITERALLY Mahomes 100000% wasn’t the best TT player ever. Michael Crabtree, Graham Harrell, Kliff Klingsbury all run circles around Mahomes while at TT.

U know what they don’t run circles around at him at? The NFL. U know y? Ring Culture!

🤔🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Man U cannot help but be entertained by this site. Anything for a cape, I tell u.

Oh, & as far as ur Jordan take:
Donald Trump GIF by reactionseditor


Jordan’s first NBA nickname, which he debunked, was Captain Marvel. He debunked it b/c he felt it was disrespectful to Bird & Magic being a rookie.

•Bill has the rings but he don’t have the stats
•Kareem & Jordan r tied for the rings, but Kareem don’t have the records or individual accolades

There’s only one player in the Top 75 that’s:
•Undefeated as a Defending champion
•Can claim they made All NBA, All Def, Scoring Champion, MVP, Finals MVP, & All Star Game MVP in the same season
•Can claim being undefeated in ALL championship games, Collegiately, Professionally, & Internationally.
•Every Finals, he was the undisputed best player on both teams

Michael Jeffrey Jordan, The Be All & End All.
 
Canedude08 said:
Why are you wasting your time with this nonsense? It's obvious some people on this board read to argue, not comprehend. UNC has been a power in college basketball for the better part of 70 years. Ring culture has ruined sports discourse, because people don't understand that there are tons of very good to elite entities that have consistently competed for titles, despite not having a billion rings. Context matters. UNC under Dean Smith was as good as there was, period. Anyone trying to argue otherwise isn't a serious person.

I was merely making a comparison between TTU and UNC, as in, TTU wasn't all that great before Mahomes, so his star power is magnified as a result. You can easily make the argument that Jordan wasn't even the best UNC player ever, their history is that **** deep, they have had so many outstanding players, players that won championships and made multiple Final Four runs. It's different when you are part of a machine, compared to being the unquestioned star.

People ignore the fact that Michael Jordan wasn't always the end all be all in regards to basketball players, there was a time when people could have legit arguments about him not being unquestioned GOAT at every level. Honestly, you can still have those arguments, as long as people like Bill Russell, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar exist.
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What a bunch of nonsense.

Dean Smith was a very good coach. Nobody disputes that.

But he had not broken through to win a championship until Michael Jordan got him there. That's also a fact.

And AFTER Michael Jordan got UNC its first Division I ring, it became much easier for Dean Smith to recruit and win championships at UNC. ALSO A FACT.

All the "what about 1956 when black players couldn't play" nonsense in the world won't change that.

It's funny that you chose to "advise" @Calinative that "some people on this board read to argue" when that is EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. He jumped into a thread to argue, not comprehend.

It is inarguable that Michael Jordan transformed UNC's basketball trajectory, yet here comes @Calinative to argue.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Canedude08 said:
Why are you wasting your time with this nonsense? It's obvious some people on this board read to argue, not comprehend. UNC has been a power in college basketball for the better part of 70 years. Ring culture has ruined sports discourse, because people don't understand that there are tons of very good to elite entities that have consistently competed for titles, despite not having a billion rings. Context matters. UNC under Dean Smith was as good as there was, period. Anyone trying to argue otherwise isn't a serious person.

I was merely making a comparison between TTU and UNC, as in, TTU wasn't all that great before Mahomes, so his star power is magnified as a result. You can easily make the argument that Jordan wasn't even the best UNC player ever, their history is that **** deep, they have had so many outstanding players, players that won championships and made multiple Final Four runs. It's different when you are part of a machine, compared to being the unquestioned star.

People ignore the fact that Michael Jordan wasn't always the end all be all in regards to basketball players, there was a time when people could have legit arguments about him not being unquestioned GOAT at every level. Honestly, you can still have those arguments, as long as people like Bill Russell, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar exist.
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What a bunch of nonsense.

Dean Smith was a very good coach. Nobody disputes that.

But he had not broken through to win a championship until Michael Jordan got him there. That's also a fact.

And AFTER Michael Jordan got UNC its first Division I ring, it became much easier for Dean Smith to recruit and win championships at UNC. ALSO A FACT.

All the "what about 1956 when black players couldn't play" nonsense in the world won't change that.

It's funny that you chose to "advise" @Calinative that "some people on this board read to argue" when that is EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. He jumped into a thread to argue, not comprehend.

It is inarguable that Michael Jordan transformed UNC's basketball trajectory, yet here comes @Calinative to argue.
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Bruh lmao
 
TheOriginalCane said:
What a bunch of nonsense.

Dean Smith was a very good coach. Nobody disputes that.

But he had not broken through to win a championship until Michael Jordan got him there. That's also a fact.

And AFTER Michael Jordan got UNC its first Division I ring, it became much easier for Dean Smith to recruit and win championships at UNC. ALSO A FACT.

All the "what about 1956 when black players couldn't play" nonsense in the world won't change that.

It's funny that you chose to "advise" @Calinative that "some people on this board read to argue" when that is EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. He jumped into a thread to argue, not comprehend.

It is inarguable that Michael Jordan transformed UNC's basketball trajectory, yet here comes @Calinative to argue.
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Do you think Michael Jordan was a transcendent player as a true freshman? He was a huge part of that team, he provided a different dimension, but he wasn't even the best player on that roster that year. James Worthy and Sam Perkins were the engines that drove that team. Having two top end bigs gave Jordan freedom to do his thing, he wasn't expected to carry the load, he was expected to fill a role, which was great for his development. People also forget that Dean Smith coached for a National Championship the year before MJ came to campus. He had played in the Championship game multiple times in the previous five years BEFORE Jordan came in. They were extremely close to begin with, it wasn't like Jordan came to a program that was getting bounced in the first round every year. Dean was getting talent before MJ, he got talent afterwards, the one thing you could say about Dean is that he knew how to recruit and develop talent.

That's my point. People wrongly assume that Jordan came into Chapel Hill and was MICHAEL JORDAN. He wasn't, he had to develop, and he had the work ethic and ability to get the most out of his immense talent. He didn't come in and immediately dominate. If you want to name someone that actually did that, Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul Jabbar come to mind. Then again, we know full well why people refuse to consider KAJ in the GOAT conversation, but that's a conversation for a different day.
 
Rellyrell said:
Texas Tech:
•Mahomes: 16-21 record at TTU, 11k+ yrds, 93 TDs & 29 ints.
•Harrell: 28-11 record at TTU, 15k+ yrds, 130+ TDs & 34 ints.

Do u know the difference between Mahomes reputation at TTU vs. Graham’s rep? NFL success & ring culture. Lol.

We’re talking about a player’s name being on a college team’s jersey, or did u forget the premise? Michael Jordan is not just important to UNC, he’s important to shoe culture in general. No Michael Jordan, & there’s no Patrick Mahomes, Kobe’s, LeBron’s, etc. More importantly, if there’s no Jordan, then Nike doesn’t exist as it is. So the POINT was, if Jordan doesn’t have his name on the back of helmets & jerseys as a brand sponsor, including his own alma mater, then y in TF would Mahomes?

I’m amazed every time I come on CIS at the level of contradictions ppl can post in a single response. This **** said ring culture has ruined sports, while simultaneously admitting Mahomes is TT’s most famous alum, not b/c of what he actually did at TT…..but…..b/c…..of…..winning……RINGS at The NFL level! This **** said u can make an argument that Jordan wasn’t even the best UNC player ever (speaking of his time at UNC), when QUITE LITERALLY Mahomes 100000% wasn’t the best TT player ever. Michael Crabtree, Graham Harrell, Kliff Klingsbury all run circles around Mahomes while at TT.

U know what they don’t run circles around at him at? The NFL. U know y? Ring Culture!

🤔🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Man U cannot help but be entertained by this site. Anything for a cape, I tell u.

Oh, & as far as ur Jordan take:
Donald Trump GIF by reactionseditor


Jordan’s first NBA nickname, which he debunked, was Captain Marvel. He debunked it b/c he felt it was disrespectful to Bird & Magic being a rookie.

•Bill has the rings but he don’t have the stats
•Kareem & Jordan r tied for the rings, but Kareem don’t have the records or individual accolades

There’s only one player in the Top 75 that’s:
•Undefeated as a Defending champion
•Can claim they made All NBA, All Def, Scoring Champion, MVP, Finals MVP, & All Star Game MVP in the same season
•Can claim being undefeated in ALL championship games, Collegiately, Professionally, & Internationally.
•Every Finals, he was the undisputed best player on both teams

Michael Jeffrey Jordan, The Be All & End All.
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The difference between Harrell and Mahomes? Harrell played for a borderline HOF quality HC in Mike Leach. Mahomes played for a guy that is the walking embodiment of failing upwards. There's a fundamental difference between what Leach built and what Kingsbury did. You put Mahomes on those Leach teams, he likely shatters records. The fact that he did what he did, despite playing in that circus is a testament to his talent.
 
Canedude08 said:
The difference between Harrell and Mahomes? Harrell played for a borderline HOF quality HC in Mike Leach. Mahomes played for a guy that is the walking embodiment of failing upwards. There's a fundamental difference between what Leach built and what Kingsbury did. You put Mahomes on those Leach teams, he likely shatters records. The fact that he did what he did, despite playing in that circus is a testament to his talent.
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Who gives AF. Lol. Do u see how u have to try to move goal post each & every time? Like WTF r u even talking about? The only reason Mahomes is Texas Tech’s most infamous alum is b/c of what he did in the NFL, period. Like blood, u have this propensity to just argue nonsensical points.

If Mahomes doesn’t win championships at the NFL level, Adidas nor TT would give AF about him. Just keep it solid or don’t, but u r looking goofier each post.
 
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