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ThomasM
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They'd put them in the Coastal, then move us to the Atlantic.
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The ACC is playing the long game. The ACC is counting on Notre Dame sucking for the next 20 years, and then someday in the future, the ND fans will be like "remember those good old days when we won the ACC and made it to the College Football Playoffs, maybe this whole being-independent ****e is not as great as we think it is".
Chess, not checkers.
I never said I didn't have a problem with Clemson also.
Typical nowadays to assume and immediately go into attack mode
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Four main things to look at for joining a conference:
1) Revenue
2) Competitiveness for Conference Champ
3) Recruiting attractiveness
4) Geography
A Few Thoughts on the SEC-Big 12 Revenue Gap and What it Means for OSU’s Future
It's not as big as you might think ... yet.
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1. The Big 10 is the most profitable, but the Big 12 and SEC are much closer than most people realize. Article points out that the Big 12 numbers leave out Texas, which has a whopping deal of its own and adds a bunch that isn't shown. Big 12 crushes the ACC and Pac 12 in revenue. If you included Texas and Oklahoma third tier rights, then I would guess that the Big 12 is as profitable if not moreso than the SEC.
2. Clemson owns the ACC. The big bag schools own the SEC. Miami's defense right now would be, by far, the best in the Big 12. Texas is a big bag school as well but historically they haven't done much despite having more money than God. Miami will be able to overtake Oklahoma faster than it will be able to pull even with Clemson.
3. Even if Miami joined the SEC, local recruits would still want to go to other SEC schools. Miami has done well recruiting in the state of Texas, and it has the recruits needed- kids from big cities who have played high level HS football. It would be almost unfair for Miami to have the ability to recruit locally and in the state of Texas.
4. It's 2.5 hrs from Miami to Texas across the Gulf of Mexico. Flying north to Boston College takes longer. Thanks to the invention of the aeroplane, Big 12 country is well within reasonable travel time.
By most measures, the Big 12 would be the best conference to join if we had our option right now.
moneymanj
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Those of y'all saying an ND team who struggled to put up 12 points on Louisville would drag us are pvssys. The only teams I believe would dominate us are Clemson and Bama. Maybe OSU but having only played 4 games they are irrelevant to me. Everyone else in the top 10 is beatable.
Oh and Miami needs to join the BIG 12. **** the ACC.
Oh and Miami needs to join the BIG 12. **** the ACC.
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Wow.Four main things to look at for joining a conference:
1) Revenue
2) Competitiveness for Conference Champ
3) Recruiting attractiveness
4) Geography
A Few Thoughts on the SEC-Big 12 Revenue Gap and What it Means for OSU’s Future
It's not as big as you might think ... yet.pistolsfiringblog.com
1. The Big 10 is the most profitable, but the Big 12 and SEC are much closer than most people realize. Article points out that the Big 12 numbers leave out Texas, which has a whopping deal of its own and adds a bunch that isn't shown. Big 12 crushes the ACC and Pac 12 in revenue. If you included Texas and Oklahoma third tier rights, then I would guess that the Big 12 is as profitable if not moreso than the SEC.
2. Clemson owns the ACC. The big bag schools own the SEC. Miami's defense right now would be, by far, the best in the Big 12. Texas is a big bag school as well but historically they haven't done much despite having more money than God. Miami will be able to overtake Oklahoma faster than it will be able to pull even with Clemson.
3. Even if Miami joined the SEC, local recruits would still want to go to other SEC schools. Miami has done well recruiting in the state of Texas, and it has the recruits needed- kids from big cities who have played high level HS football. It would be almost unfair for Miami to have the ability to recruit locally and in the state of Texas.
4. It's 2.5 hrs from Miami to Texas across the Gulf of Mexico. Flying north to Boston College takes longer. Thanks to the invention of the aeroplane, Big 12 country is well within reasonable travel time.
By most measures, the Big 12 would be the best conference to join if we had our option right now.
I literally agree with everything here.
hoops156
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b12 doesnt revenue share right? also, b12 is the worst conference in revenue amongst p5. acc is fourth. pac 3 sec 2 b10 1Four main things to look at for joining a conference:
1) Revenue
2) Competitiveness for Conference Champ
3) Recruiting attractiveness
4) Geography
A Few Thoughts on the SEC-Big 12 Revenue Gap and What it Means for OSU’s Future
It's not as big as you might think ... yet.pistolsfiringblog.com
1. The Big 10 is the most profitable, but the Big 12 and SEC are much closer than most people realize. Article points out that the Big 12 numbers leave out Texas, which has a whopping deal of its own and adds a bunch that isn't shown. Big 12 crushes the ACC and Pac 12 in revenue. If you included Texas and Oklahoma third tier rights, then I would guess that the Big 12 is as profitable if not moreso than the SEC.
2. Clemson owns the ACC. The big bag schools own the SEC. Miami's defense right now would be, by far, the best in the Big 12. Texas is a big bag school as well but historically they haven't done much despite having more money than God. Miami will be able to overtake Oklahoma faster than it will be able to pull even with Clemson.
3. Even if Miami joined the SEC, local recruits would still want to go to other SEC schools. Miami has done well recruiting in the state of Texas, and it has the recruits needed- kids from big cities who have played high level HS football. It would be almost unfair for Miami to have the ability to recruit locally and in the state of Texas.
4. It's 2.5 hrs from Miami to Texas across the Gulf of Mexico. Flying north to Boston College takes longer. Thanks to the invention of the aeroplane, Big 12 country is well within reasonable travel time.
By most measures, the Big 12 would be the best conference to join if we had our option right now.
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Number1CanesFan
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All you're doing is showing your ***. You said absolutely nothing of substance because you were wrong and can't face the facts. What idiot would play a meaningless game when his ACC title opponent isn't. Your argument should have been that both ND and Clemson should play a full schedule just like Miami is. There was no reason for Clemson not to play just as well as ND. There, I helped you. Now STFU!!!
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It's not the worst. I linked the stats. It's officially only behind Big 10 and SEC, but numbers don't include the third tier rights which make it more
profitable than reported.
And in terms of revenue distro:
Big 12 outpaces other conferences in revenue distribution
Big 12 revenue only dips slightly due to pandemic but belt-tightening on the horizon
In spite of all the canceled college sporting events this past spring, including the men’s and woman’s NCAA basketball tournaments, it seems as those the rich will remain rich, at least for the time being. The Associated Press reported Friday that The Big 12 conference’s first- and second-tier...
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"Each Big 12 school received $38.8 million in 2019 while they each received $36.5 million in 2018.
Overall, the league saw the biggest dip from the lack of major events such as the basketball tournament as well as the College World Series. Also, the money set aside for conference championship participation subsidies was halved from around $36 million to $18 million following the cancellation of the league’s spring championship events and tournaments.
It’s worth noting that these numbers don’t include third-tier broadcasting rights, such as revenue that Texas generates from ESPN for the Longhorn Network or what some of the other member schools may receive from Fox Sports or ESPN+ beyond the initial rights."
And Pac-12 is notoriously garbage for revenue. Lots has been written about the disastrous decisions made by the commissioner. The Pac 12 network or whatever it was supposed to be, was a giant money pit. Where are you getting your numbers?
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Number1CanesFan
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Totally off basis. Ignoring that fact that ND would be playing a meaningless game while Clemson rests for the title game. Clemson's game with FSU should have been rescheduled for 12/12 weeks ago and wasn't. You're just making excuses for the conference darling. The fact that they didn't have to is a pointless argument because it's on the conference commissioner to make that decision just like he did rescheduling Miami's games. We didn't get the opportunity to say who we wanted to play and when to play, yet you give Clemson a pass as "They didn't have to schedule a game", but you insist ND should play a game that has no barring on the outcome of the regular season. Hypocrisy!!!
Number1CanesFan
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Whatever you think of ND is irrelevant. They beat Clemson and we didn't. Sucks as it does, but they earned the right to be in the ACC title game. If they had lost to Clemson, then you'd have an argument to make.
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It's not the worst. I linked the stats. It's officially only behind Big 10 and SEC, but numbers don't include the third tier rights which make it more
profitable than reported.
And in terms of revenue distro:
Big 12 outpaces other conferences in revenue distribution
Big 12 revenue only dips slightly due to pandemic but belt-tightening on the horizon
In spite of all the canceled college sporting events this past spring, including the men’s and woman’s NCAA basketball tournaments, it seems as those the rich will remain rich, at least for the time being. The Associated Press reported Friday that The Big 12 conference’s first- and second-tier...
"Each Big 12 school received $38.8 million in 2019 while they each received $36.5 million in 2018.
Overall, the league saw the biggest dip from the lack of major events such as the basketball tournament as well as the College World Series. Also, the money set aside for conference championship participation subsidies was halved from around $36 million to $18 million following the cancellation of the league’s spring championship events and tournaments.
It’s worth noting that these numbers don’t include third-tier broadcasting rights, such as revenue that Texas generates from ESPN for the Longhorn Network or what some of the other member schools may receive from Fox Sports or ESPN+ beyond the initial rights."
And Pac-12 is notoriously garbage for revenue. Lots has been written about the disastrous decisions made by the commissioner. The Pac 12 network or whatever it was supposed to be, was a giant money pit. Where are you getting your numbers?
Power Five conferences had over $2.9 billion in revenue in fiscal 2019, new tax records show
The Big Ten reported more than $780 million in revenue, most of any conference, as Power Five had more than $2.9 billion in revenue in fiscal 2019.
www.usatoday.com
also i thought texas doesnt share longhorn network. they just pay 200k to the b12 revenue split. b12 network is owned by fox while lHN is ESPN owned and texas retained their rights to show certain games on there
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After we lose to them, you idiots will be saying the talent gap is too wide just like what happen when we played Clemson. I remember before the game CIS was puffing it chest after they cried talent gap. Never Manny's fault.
Ehh, I heard this take the last time we played ND...
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Except they didnt since they aren't actually members of the ACC.
Why a Notre Dame-ACC union could happen only in a season of the unexpected
It has taken decades for it to happen, but Notre Dame football is part of a conference. And even if it's for only one season, even if that season never gets played, the Irish's partnership with the ACC will benefit both sides.
When Notre Dame affiliated with the ACC in 2012, Swarbrick said the deal would allow the Irish to "maintain our historic independence in football." Realignment had rendered Notre Dame's existence on its own precarious. The ACC took in the Irish as a full member in all other sports and guaranteed Notre Dame five or six football games annually. The conference allowed the university to maintain the football identity it established and nurtured for more than a century.
Notre Dame wanted to remain independent. That was a deliberate choice. What a wonderful contract they must have to be able to choose to be members of the conference when they find it convenient but keep all the money for themselves when it's not convenient.
Number1CanesFan
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C'mon man. They played their schedule. The ACC let them in. Ain't ND's fault. The ACC commissioner let ND **** on the rest of the conference. They still earned the right to be in the title game. Should have not let them in this season or ACC teams should have beat them.Except they didnt since they aren't actually members of the ACC.
Why a Notre Dame-ACC union could happen only in a season of the unexpected
It has taken decades for it to happen, but Notre Dame football is part of a conference. And even if it's for only one season, even if that season never gets played, the Irish's partnership with the ACC will benefit both sides.www.espn.com
When Notre Dame affiliated with the ACC in 2012, Swarbrick said the deal would allow the Irish to "maintain our historic independence in football." Realignment had rendered Notre Dame's existence on its own precarious. The ACC took in the Irish as a full member in all other sports and guaranteed Notre Dame five or six football games annually. The conference allowed the university to maintain the football identity it established and nurtured for more than a century.
Notre Dame wanted to remain independent. That was a deliberate choice. What a wonderful contract they must have to be able to choose to be members of the conference when they find it convenient but keep all the money for themselves when it's not convenient.
Moving forward, I don't want them to continue to be an independent and play ACC games. Either get in, or the whole school get the **** out of the ACC in all sports.
I do. The SEC is all about family and being the best, even when they aren’t.
The SEC is a football first conference and everything else is secondary.
The ACC is still a basketball conference and that is what brought them to prominence. Football is a necessary evil for them.
The SEC would protect Miami as one of their own due to the nature of the conference.