NCAA makes 2 year roster waiver permenant.

[SayWhat]

You say that as if the deep pockets game only started with the portal. It did not. It's always been that way. You may not be old enough to remember back when Texas and Alabama would sign 120+ kids on scholarship with the intent of keeping talent away from rival schools. That was a deep pocket move back in the early 70's. The only difference now is that the kids (labor) has the same ability as the schools/programs (capital). To me, this is a great thing.


Look at UM for a great example. How many kids did we lose out on over the past 20 years to the deep pocket schools? The Patrick Johnson/Peterson saga always comes to mind for me. Now that the Supreme Court put the NCAA in check, NIL has allowed kids to be compensated at the level the marketplace values them. Its not the rich getting richer, its value being placed properly based on true market value of one's skills. I can never hate on that.

That unlimited roster size was eliminated to stop big schools from hoarding talent. These new changes don't help anyone but the players and the bigs as well as the elites.

I need to be clearer I guess. Yes, a lot of those same players have paid and paid again through the decades. What was omitted from that was the massive donor pool that is their vast alumni bases. You weren't getting money anywhere near what it is now and it was intentionally kept low key as you can't have tens of thousands contributing. It was illegal and your guy who would like to contribute wouldn't for legal reason or he couldn't be trusted to keep his or her mouth shut.

So now, big schools have an advantage like they never had before. To an extreme level. That's plain as day. Without a top tier NIL game, you're going to be left behind. The big and elite schools will continue to raise the bar. It's going to be catch up or be left behind.

I don't have an issue with the player / recruit aspect, but I also don't like it. That's another topic entirely. A player always has value, but ultimately you can only get what you have the money for. That's why I said welcome to feeder fish status for most schools. Their good players are going to get poached left and right. Good for the players monetarily, but bad for the schools that had them. The gap between the haves and have nots will only widen.

Those kids we may have gotten once upon a time would've only come in today's market if the price was right.

 

[SayWhat]

I should also add, this is just more pay for play. Those with more money will obviously benefit most.

 

[dk72]

The NCAA just killed high school recruiting for the 2nd tier players (ie not top 1000 kids nationally). Those non super kids have nooooo chance now.

Go Canes

The JCs and FCS teams are going to become even more of a developmental league for the bigger programs. Fewer big schools will take chances on the potential "diamonds in the rough"-type kids when they have an almost unlimited run at transfers now in addition to the blue chip HS recruits. The big schools can just wait and see if the tweener recruits develop at the lower levels then recruit them as transfers later if they did.

 

[dk72]

That only hurts the player, which is what I was getting at. Kid loses his scholarship and possibly nowhere to go. So the kid is out of an education cause most of them are not going pro

Exactly. Its getting to where teams are so disconnected from the school, its barely a college sport anymore, just semi pro using college names.

 

[SFbayCane]

That unlimited roster size was eliminated to stop big schools from hoarding talent. These new changes don't help anyone but the players and the bigs as well as the elites.

I need to be clearer I guess. Yes, a lot of those same players have paid and paid again through the decades. What was omitted from that was the massive donor pool that is their vast alumni bases. You weren't getting money anywhere near what it is now and it was intentionally kept low key as you can't have tens of thousands contributing. It was illegal and your guy who would like to contribute wouldn't for legal reason or he couldn't be trusted to keep his or her mouth shut.

So now, big schools have an advantage like they never had before. To an extreme level. That's plain as day. Without a top tier NIL game, you're going to be left behind. The big and elite schools will continue to raise the bar. It's going to be catch up or be left behind.

I don't have an issue with the player / recruit aspect, but I also don't like it. That's another topic entirely. A player always has value, but ultimately you can only get what you have the money for. That's why I said welcome to feeder fish status for most schools. Their good players are going to get poached left and right. Good for the players monetarily, but bad for the schools that had them. The gap between the haves and have nots will only widen.

Those kids we may have gotten once upon a time would've only come in today's market if the price was right.

I believe the crux of your point is in bold above. Again, I do not share that opinion. I believe the Portal and NIL supreme court decision are creating a parity in college football like we've never seen before. Mid Majors are beating power five teams at a greater rate than ever (no actual data to support this other than me being a weirdo who watches 20+ college football games a week, but I doubt that Im wrong - lol).

Again, UM is a perfect example. We've been outbid for talent for decades because buying players was illegal and against NCAA rules. Now that its legal, UM is thriving not only in football but in men's and women's basketball. In my opinion, this new system is not creating a boon for the historically deep pocket programs, its created more balance.

Since I know you're a weirdo of similar-sort , Try this while watching random college football games next weekend. Listen for how many times announcer references a kid who made a play by saying, "He's the transfer from...(insert previous school name)." You'll start to notice that the portal and NIL are creating parity like we've never seen. Why do you think a small handful of congressmen want to legislate NIL? The correct answer: Because the deep pocket universities dont have the same built-in advantages they've had previously.

Great discussion. Thank you!

 

[SayWhat]

I believe the crux of your point is in bold above. Again, I do not share that opinion. I believe the Portal and NIL supreme court decision are creating a parity in college football like we've never seen before. Mid Majors are beating power five teams at a greater rate than ever (no actual data to support this other than me being a weirdo who watches 20+ college football games a week, but I doubt that Im wrong - lol).

Again, UM is a perfect example. We've been outbid for talent for decades because buying players was illegal and against NCAA rules. Now that its legal, UM is thriving not only in football but in men's and women's basketball. In my opinion, this new system is not creating a boon for the historically deep pocket programs, its created more balance.

Since I know you're a weirdo of similar-sort , Try this while watching random college football games next weekend. Listen for how many times announcer references a kid who made a play by saying, "He's the transfer from...(insert previous school name)." You'll start to notice that the portal and NIL are creating parity like we've never seen. Why do you think a small handful of congressmen want to legislate NIL? The correct answer: Because the deep pocket universities dont have the same built-in advantages they've had previously.

Great discussion. Thank you!

Weirdo. lol

 

[Stevo365]

@Stevo365
Is this making it tough for High School kids going forward? Seems like a big shift in how teams will recruit with 1000+ older kids in the portal every year.

Its already been happening but it will make it worse sense the NCAA can’t think forward. They should of raised the scholly limit to 90 but the additional 5 have to be HS kids. Kids who arent high rated are going to have to go to smaller schools ball out and portal their way up. Thats the plan for alot of kids

 

[KingB02]

I like the rule change eliminating the 25 per class rule. I always thought it was dumb, even before the Portal.

You're capped at 85. How you get there should not be an issue.

I think it’s a bad rule because coaches will force out 30 dudes per year. Teams will be able to do what Sanders did and the portal is going to flood with kids who got let go.

 

[SFbayCane]

I think it’s a bad rule because coaches will force out 30 dudes per year. Teams will be able to do what Sanders did and the portal is going to flood with kids who got let go.

Why is it a problem for coaches to force 30 players out? Serious question.


For every kid that gets squeezed out of a Colorado, there is a Northern Colorado and/or Weber State that would likely love to have them. Again, this is the free market at work and that's a beautiful thing. The portal is the best thing college athletics has seen in many-a-year.

BTW - How many kids did Mario "force out" (your term, not mine) this past off-season? Was that okay? (not so serious question but you get the point).

 

[KingB02]

Why is it a problem for coaches to force 30 players out? Serious question.


For every kid that gets squeezed out of a Colorado, there is a Northern Colorado and/or Weber State that would likely love to have them. Again, this is the free market at work and that's a beautiful thing. The portal is the best thing college athletics has seen in many-a-year.

BTW - How many kids did Mario "force out" (your term, not mine) this past off-season? Was that okay? (not so serious question but you get the point).

There’s still kids in the portal that never got picked up smh. Yeah many find a new home but many also do not. Many teams will turnover their roster and bring in shiny new toys. And all those kids will get pushed into the portal. It also hurts the HS kids coming in. Teams will opt for the guys in the portal over HS kids and many will have to go JUCO or lower tier schools. **** rolls down hill.

 

[SFbayCane]

There’s still kids in the portal that never got picked up smh. Yeah many find a new home but many also do not. Many teams will turnover their roster and bring in shiny new toys. And all those kids will get pushed into the portal. It also hurts the HS kids coming in. Teams will opt for the guys in the portal over HS kids and many will have to go JUCO or lower tier schools. **** rolls down hill.

Again, the kids who dont find a home are the ones who are not good enough to be playing college football. The marketplace is recalculating their value. Yes, **** rolls down hill but cream rises to the top. It has nothing to do with shiny new toys.

Also, using Colorado 2023 as an example is rather skewed. That is an extremely rare example that seemed to have the backing of the big globohomo megacorps. Why do you think every former Miami Hurricane who works in media was making appearance at Colorado football practices?

Good discussion. Thanks.