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Canes1968 said:
The players receive far more than just the value of a scholarship. There is value in the training facilities they are provided, the training staff, the food, the nutrition staff, the tutoring, the housing, the coaching, the equipment, etc. Add it all up, and the a football player at an average P5 school is likely receiving in excess of $300-$400 thousand per year, tax free.
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That number is preposterously high.
 
ThomasM said:
"As we know it" is exactly right. It needed a major change, but the NCAA wouldn't do anything about it. They like the system they have in place, making billions of dollars off an unpaid work force. Anything that gives them the middle finger, I am fine with. I am sick of their corruption.
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The NCAA acts at the behest of Universities to maintain the the non-taxable status of their athletic department revenues.
 
JTKoval said:
Didn’t see the veto letter posted. Don’t shot me if it was.

Governor Newsom:

The 1,100 schools that make up the NCAA have always, in everything we do, supported a level playing field for all student-athletes. This core belief extends to each member college and university in every state across the nation.
California Senate Bill 206 would upend that balance. If the bill becomes law and California’s 58 NCAA schools are compelled to allow an unrestricted name, image and likeness scheme, it would erase the critical distinction between college and professional athletics and, because it gives those schools an unfair recruiting advantage, would result in them eventually being unable to compete in NCAA competitions. These outcomes are untenable and would negatively impact more than 24,000 California student-athletes across three divisions.

Right now, nearly half a million student-athletes in all 50 states compete under the same rules. This bill would remove that essential element of fairness and equal treatment that forms the bedrock of college sports.

The NCAA continues to focus on the best interests of all student-athletes nationwide. NCAA member schools already are working on changing rules for all student-athletes to appropriately use their name, image and likeness in accordance with our values — but not pay them to play. The NCAA has consistently stood by its belief that student-athletes are students first, and they should not be employees of the university.

It isn’t possible to resolve the challenges of today’s college sports environment in this way — by one state taking unilateral action. With more than 1,100 schools and nearly 500,000 student-athletes across the nation, the rules and policies of college sports must be established through the Association’s collaborative governance system. A national model of collegiate sport requires mutually agreed upon rules.

We urge the state of California to reconsider this harmful and, we believe, unconstitutional bill and hope the state will be a constructive partner in our efforts to develop a fair name, image and likeness approach for all 50 states.

Sincerely,
Members of the NCAA Board of Governors
  • Stevie Baker-Watson, DePauw University
  • M. Grace Calhoun, University of Pennsylvania
  • Ken Chenault, General Catalyst
  • Mary Sue Coleman, Association of American Universities
  • John DeGioia, Georgetown University
  • Michael Drake, The Ohio State University
  • Philip DiStefano, University of Colorado, Boulder
  • Mark Emmert, NCAA
  • Sue Henderson, New Jersey City University
  • Grant Hill, CBS/Warner and The Atlanta Hawks
  • Sandra Jordan, University of South Carolina Aiken
  • Renu Khator, University of Houston
  • Laura Liesman, Georgian Court University
  • Ronald Machtley, Bryant University
  • The Rev. James Maher, Niagara University
  • Denis McDonough, Former White House Chief of Staff
  • Tori Murden McClure, Spalding University
  • Gary Olson, Daemen College
  • Denise Trauth, Texas State University
  • Satish Tripathi, University at Buffalo, the State University of New York
  • David Wilson, Morgan State University
  • Randy Woodson, North Carolina State University
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RECONSIDER THIS NCAA:ohholky****:
 
The idea that anyone would argue against a Student Athlete being able to earn money on his/her likeness, image or popularity is utterly ridiculous! Those who say it's not going to benefit all Student Athletes is even more ridiculous because the legislation is not a guarantee that all will benefit, but that all will have the same option as opposed to some good ol boys.
 
Canes1968 said:
The players receive far more than just the value of a scholarship. There is value in the training facilities they are provided, the training staff, the food, the nutrition staff, the tutoring, the housing, the coaching, the equipment, etc. Add it all up, and the a football player at an average P5 school is likely receiving in excess of $300-$400 thousand per year, tax free.
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Nearly all of that is required to be a p5 athlete AND student in 2019. Those aren't fringe benefits.
 
Canes1968 said:
The players receive far more than just the value of a scholarship. There is value in the training facilities they are provided, the training staff, the food, the nutrition staff, the tutoring, the housing, the coaching, the equipment, etc. Add it all up, and the a football player at an average P5 school is likely receiving in excess of $300-$400 thousand per year, tax free.
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Most of that stuff is for the school in as much as it's the cost of having success in football. It's not like the school provides these services out of the goodness of it's heart; these things are about winning. It's like your job telling you the new delivery truck should count towards your compensation. Great, you get a nicer truck, but they still get the real benefit.

Know what? In the end I don't care a whole lot, I just hate when people argue stuff like this. Let's ignore how much the NCAA brought in last year and talk about a $50k scholarship because that sounds like a lot of money to most people. It's not nothing, but it's a small slice of what's being made. Same thing when people btch about how much pro athletes make. Like a billion dollar business paying the face of the franchise $10 million a year is the end of the world. Yeah, it's a ton of money, but the amount of money being made off that guy is orders of magnitude greater.
 
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I want fun so I hope the ncaa takes it ball and goes home - throws the CA schools out and doesn't let them play against any members. Lets see what recruits go to CA schools then. Of course there will be ligation and ncaa usually loses in court but absent a restraining order the damage will be done before the case is lost. Even with restraining order, recruiting might suffer for the unknowns. CA might control the cost of our cars but football and basketball are ruled elsewhere. What happens to Pac 12 tv contracts if CA can't play outside the state? Lets have a fight worth watching.
 
The end result is going to be minor leagues for the major revenue producing sports and the non-revenue neutral sports are going to have to be supported by the Univ overall budget or go the way of the dinosaur. No way around this unless the P5 schools get together to form their own association.
 
kryptonite said:
It doesn't matter what happens to the money, the point is that the players get very little of it.
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You're missing the point. If the players got money, most schools other than about 30 of them, wouldn't have a budget to have any other sports.

Miami has dropped men's golf and a significant portion of the swimming/diving program (along with I'm sure other examples) and doesn't have a bunch of sports as-is (men's soccer, men/womens lacrosse, water polo, gymnastics, wrestling, etc). The reason they don't is that even as a P5 conference member there aren't enough funds to go around.
 
kryptonite said:
It doesn't matter what happens to the money, the point is that the players get very little of it.
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You’re blaming the NCAA when it’s Title IV that makes it hard to pay players. This likeness **** is going to be free market where players get paid different amounts, and the sport will be thrown on its side even more. The things that make college football special will be gone... and college football will be minor league NFL. Nothing more.
 
Gatorhater said:
I want fun so I hope the ncaa takes it ball and goes home - throws the CA schools out and doesn't let them play against any members. Lets see what recruits go to CA schools then. Of course there will be ligation and ncaa usually loses in court but absent a restraining order the damage will be done before the case is lost. Even with restraining order, recruiting might suffer for the unknowns. CA might control the cost of our cars but football and basketball are ruled elsewhere. What happens to Pac 12 tv contracts if CA can't play outside the state? Lets have a fight worth watching.
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Orrrr, every state passes this legislation except Alabama. Then Alabama can rack up more fictional national titles. Meanwhile, the rest of the country will go on without them, and without the NCAA,
 
kryptonite said:
There's a difference between a school doing the right thing and letting a player who can no longer play finish his degree and letting a guy who isn't performing continue with the team. It's a job. A job that will support you if you get hurt doing work for them, but a job nonetheless.

And I don't have a "narrative". That's what people say to make out like a person is making stuff up because they have an axe to grind. I'm not out to get the NCAA, I'm just mentioning some hard truths. And the truth is that while players receive a lot for their service, it's not at all proportional to the amount of money being made in the sport. Just because it's more than you or I got doesn't mean it's fair or what they deserve.
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I'm not going to pretend there's a simple answer. There's not.

These athletes also have a choice, though, and let's not pretend that many of them don't get paid. Local athletes who see how Miami handles their players still choose to go to Baga, which throws their athletes away the second they are not "earning their keep". No one is forcing anyone to play CFB, for now, this is still the land of the free. If the value isn't there, people have free will.

Of course, this is why a black market has grown up around the sport and the NCAA has paid only corrupt-favoritism-laden lip service to truly maintaining fairness, order, and "amateurism". They certainly don't have a moral or even pragmatic leg to stand on.

It's just a complicated subject and I don't think anyone has a real answer for it. The future is cloudy and extremely uncertain for CFB and CBB.
 
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kryptonite said:
It doesn't matter what happens to the money, the point is that the players get very little of it.
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It matters if you're trying to find a fix.

I'm no fan of the NCAA but mostly because of their uneven enforcement of the rules. I see no good coming out of this for UM. It will only create a more uneven playing field. Recruiting will devolve into which schools have the most lucrative endorsement contracts (combined with the bags).
 
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ssvir said:
You're missing the point. If the players got money, most schools other than about 30 of them, wouldn't have a budget to have any other sports.

Miami has dropped men's golf and a significant portion of the swimming/diving program (along with I'm sure other examples) and doesn't have a bunch of sports as-is (men's soccer, men/womens lacrosse, water polo, gymnastics, wrestling, etc). The reason they don't is that even as a P5 conference member there aren't enough funds to go around.
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So maybe a limit on how much you can spend on football then? That would help put the money other places, and to be honest football facilities are getting ridiculous. Maybe the reason we cut sports is because we have to build a mini-golf course to keep up with Clemson.
 
FlaSportsFan88 said:
You’re blaming the NCAA when it’s Title IV that makes it hard to pay players. This likeness **** is going to be free market where players get paid different amounts, and the sport will be thrown on its side even more. The things that make college football special will be gone... and college football will be minor league NFL. Nothing more.
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I don't think the current situation is good and I don't think allowing players to profit from their likeness will help. That's pretty much where I'm coming from.
 
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