My left field take...

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We can play the blame game all day, coaches or players, or both... everyone shares the weight of the last two games to some extent.

I'm looking a bit deeper into the player side just as I've been struggling with the impact its had on my psyche as a fan. Maybe someone else can relate and this helps...

We've all watched the last few regimes shoot themselves in the foot with unforced mental errors... they seem to be a constant force for the hurricanes, and we know how destructive they can be to team succes, and our experience as fans.

Poor schemes and poor coaching have been huge contributing factors for years to player mistakes and poor execution, but this year it seems different.

I think the performance the last two games really comes down to a lack of player execution stemming from poor emotional intelligence and control.

I don't agree with many on the board sayings its a low football IQ thing, or straight poor coaching, these guys know football, and the coaching seems to be much better across the board compared to previous groups.

I think these players are letting emotions overtake them in the game and it's forcing them into their head or out of their head depending on how you look at it - whether too much anxiety or passion, anything unbridled leads to a lack of mindful focus and control.

Some of the mistakes look like guys getting too caught up in the heat and passion of the game, which in essence are not smart plays (K. Smith), but it's not because they don't know better. They just aren't mindfully grounded and locked in.

Then there are some mistakes that look like they come from a place of trying to do too much because they are so invested in the outcome that they aren't just playing the game naturally and hitting that flow state (TVD).

There is something with this team vibe, they don't look like they're having fun and playing free at all the last few games. Everything is labored and calculated and methodical...

Still when you really break down each game, the execution mistakes seem to be coming from a handful of players, it doesn't seem to be the entire team like in years past.

I know it feels like that, and **** those turnovers, dropped passes, and stupid penalties trigger that PTSD so bad... but we've watched teams of the past completely break apart at the seems with multiple players just falling over themselves from start to finish.

This year it seems to be the same few names highlighted over and over again. Even with mistakes from these handful of players, the team keeps digging and fighting back collectively. That is a big difference from past regimes, outside 2017, and signals the culture being much healthier than anything I've seen there in years.

It also gives me hope that these handful of guys can improve and turn things around. I think based on coaching scheme, and player talent alone, they have the potential to win 9 to 10 games this year. But they have to get out of their own way, and start playing mindfully and emotionally grounded within the game to do that.
 
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“There is something with this team vibe, they don't look like they're having fun and playing free at all the last few games. Everything is labored and calculated and methodical...”

You know how that environment gets created?

When your leader is like that; the players are wound up because the Head guy in charge is wound up.

Stress much like sh*t, rolls downhill. It causes overthinking & second guessing on every level.
 
“There is something with this team vibe, they don't look like they're having fun and playing free at all the last few games. Everything is labored and calculated and methodical...”

You know how that environment gets created?

When your leader is like that; the players are wound up because the Head guy in charge is wound up.

Stress much like sh*t, rolls downhill. It causes overthinking & second guessing on every level.
Never seemed to bother Saban, Harbaugh, and the others.
 
“There is something with this team vibe, they don't look like they're having fun and playing free at all the last few games. Everything is labored and calculated and methodical...”

You know how that environment gets created?

When your leader is like that; the players are wound up because the Head guy in charge is wound up.

Stress much like sh*t, rolls downhill. It causes overthinking & second guessing on every level.

EXACTLY.

I mean… why in the world would the vibe be off after “coaching malpractice squared” that caused you to lose a game that was already won and otherwise over????

Some of these posts try so hard to find an explanation beyond the obvious.
 
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We can play the blame game all day, coaches or players, or both... everyone shares the weight of the last two games to some extent.

I'm looking a bit deeper into the player side just as I've been struggling with the impact its had on my psyche as a fan. Maybe someone else can relate and this helps...

We've all watched the last few regimes shoot themselves in the foot with unforced mental errors... they seem to be a constant force for the hurricanes, and we know how destructive they can be to team succes, and our experience as fans.

Poor schemes and poor coaching have been huge contributing factors for years to player mistakes and poor execution, but this year it seems different.

I think the performance the last two games really comes down to a lack of player execution stemming from poor emotional intelligence and control.

I don't agree with many on the board sayings its a low football IQ thing, or straight poor coaching, these guys know football, and the coaching seems to be much better across the board compared to previous groups.

I think these players are letting emotions overtake them in the game and it's forcing them into their head or out of their head depending on how you look at it - whether too much anxiety or passion, anything unbridled leads to a lack of mindful focus and control.

Some of the mistakes look like guys getting too caught up in the heat and passion of the game, which in essence are not smart plays (K. Smith), but it's not because they don't know better. They just aren't mindfully grounded and locked in.

Then there are some mistakes that look like they come from a place of trying to do too much because they are so invested in the outcome that they aren't just playing the game naturally and hitting that flow state (TVD).


There is something with this team vibe, they don't look like they're having fun and playing free at all the last few games. Everything is labored and calculated and methodical...

Still when you really break down each game, the execution mistakes seem to be coming from a handful of players, it doesn't seem to be the entire team like in years past.

I know it feels like that, and **** those turnovers, dropped passes, and stupid penalties trigger that PTSD so bad... but we've watched teams of the past completely break apart at the seems with multiple players just falling over themselves from start to finish.

This year it seems to be the same few names highlighted over and over again. Even with mistakes from these handful of players, the team keeps digging and fighting back collectively. That is a big difference from past regimes, outside 2017, and signals the culture being much healthier than anything I've seen there in years.

It also gives me hope that these handful of guys can improve and turn things around. I think based on coaching scheme, and player talent alone, they have the potential to win 9 to 10 games this year. But they have to get out of their own way, and start playing mindfully and emotionally grounded within the game to do that.
well said. Not sure I can agree with the 9-10 game scenario. I'll be satisfied with 8 at this point. I think you nailed it with your TVD analysis.
They don't like losing. They don't make mistakes purposely. I believe they will come out fighting again next week.
 
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Those guys are elite coaches. Mario is not.
That’s not the point. Try following a thought. One dude said the reason why Miami is struggling is because the head coach is completely wound up during games and it affects his team. And no one is more wound up than Saban and it doesn’t affect his team. Do you see how that naturally follows. The point is being wound up on the sidelines isn’t the issue.

The issue is:

Mario isn’t an elite game day coach.
The talent still stinks.
 
That’s not the point. Try following a thought. One dude said the reason why Miami is struggling is because the head coach is completely wound up during games and it affects his team. And no one is more wound up than Saban and it doesn’t affect his team. Do you see how that naturally follows. The point is being wound up on the sidelines isn’t the issue.

The issue is:

Mario isn’t an elite game day coach.
The talent still stinks.
Organizations take on the personality of their boss/leader/coach. Competency is the one thing that can nullify that. Saban is wound up bc his team isn’t doing what he taught them. Mario is wound up bc he has no idea what’s going on. There’s a massive difference in the two. One is chaos and panic and the other isn’t.
 
Organizations take on the personality of their boss/leader/coach. Competency is the one thing that can nullify that. Saban is wound up bc his team isn’t doing what he taught them. Mario is wound up bc he has no idea what’s going on. There’s a massive difference in the two. One is chaos and panic and the other isn’t.
Credibility also plays a role. Its easier to get away with being wound tight when you have winning resume.
 
“There is something with this team vibe, they don't look like they're having fun and playing free at all the last few games. Everything is labored and calculated and methodical...”

You know how that environment gets created?

When your leader is like that; the players are wound up because the Head guy in charge is wound up.

Stress much like sh*t, rolls downhill. It causes overthinking & second guessing on every level.
Your comment makes me think of the article I read last week, about players emailed photographs of poor ball handling in practice. On the surface this seems like a good use of technology. Also makes me wonder if the players feel like every move is watched and scrutinized. I know I would not like to work in a similar environment.

Of course ball handling is of paramount importance in football.

I think if I were a player and I wasn’t at practice, watching film, or in a meeting I would need a mental break from football. Same as in real life, where I don’t ‘take work home with me’.
 
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We can play the blame game all day, coaches or players, or both... everyone shares the weight of the last two games to some extent.

I'm looking a bit deeper into the player side just as I've been struggling with the impact its had on my psyche as a fan. Maybe someone else can relate and this helps...

We've all watched the last few regimes shoot themselves in the foot with unforced mental errors... they seem to be a constant force for the hurricanes, and we know how destructive they can be to team succes, and our experience as fans.

Poor schemes and poor coaching have been huge contributing factors for years to player mistakes and poor execution, but this year it seems different.

I think the performance the last two games really comes down to a lack of player execution stemming from poor emotional intelligence and control.

I don't agree with many on the board sayings its a low football IQ thing, or straight poor coaching, these guys know football, and the coaching seems to be much better across the board compared to previous groups.

I think these players are letting emotions overtake them in the game and it's forcing them into their head or out of their head depending on how you look at it - whether too much anxiety or passion, anything unbridled leads to a lack of mindful focus and control.

Some of the mistakes look like guys getting too caught up in the heat and passion of the game, which in essence are not smart plays (K. Smith), but it's not because they don't know better. They just aren't mindfully grounded and locked in.

Then there are some mistakes that look like they come from a place of trying to do too much because they are so invested in the outcome that they aren't just playing the game naturally and hitting that flow state (TVD).

There is something with this team vibe, they don't look like they're having fun and playing free at all the last few games. Everything is labored and calculated and methodical...

Still when you really break down each game, the execution mistakes seem to be coming from a handful of players, it doesn't seem to be the entire team like in years past.

I know it feels like that, and **** those turnovers, dropped passes, and stupid penalties trigger that PTSD so bad... but we've watched teams of the past completely break apart at the seems with multiple players just falling over themselves from start to finish.

This year it seems to be the same few names highlighted over and over again. Even with mistakes from these handful of players, the team keeps digging and fighting back collectively. That is a big difference from past regimes, outside 2017, and signals the culture being much healthier than anything I've seen there in years.

It also gives me hope that these handful of guys can improve and turn things around. I think based on coaching scheme, and player talent alone, they have the potential to win 9 to 10 games this year. But they have to get out of their own way, and start playing mindfully and emotionally grounded within the game to do that.
I have seen improvements but like I said before the season the roster turnover is not done. There are still a chunk that got to go but we have no choice. It is what it is, the first four games took me off logical thinking and I got sucked in (pause).

That’s what the canes do to me. But stepping back it’s what I expected and I was worried about TVD CBS and DT. Crucial components for fielding a great/good team. The OL is set and will gel together but we need a Center bad for next season.
 
“There is something with this team vibe, they don't look like they're having fun and playing free at all the last few games. Everything is labored and calculated and methodical...”

You know how that environment gets created?

When your leader is like that; the players are wound up because the Head guy in charge is wound up.

Stress much like sh*t, rolls downhill. It causes overthinking & second guessing on every level.
I agree with this but there is something else bothering me. This all started after the bye week and I recall listening to all of our coaches mention that we were using the time for "Self Scouting" Hmmmm, self scouting......... The more I think about the post bye product and the more I apply what I know about Cristospazz the more I'm begining to realize that all that self scouting talk was just a euphemism for Cristospazz meddling in the offense and taking more control of it resulting in the abhorrent game plan vs GT and the purposeful slowing down of the offensive pace. I'm guessing Mario saw the gaudy numbers on offense and all the explosive plays and said, "Hey Shannon, we need to pound the rock up the middle much more on 1st and 10." This offense isn't as Tuff or Fizical as I would like it. "
 
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I agree with this but there is something else bothering me. This all started after the bye week and I recall listening to all of our coaches mention that we were using the time for "Self Scouting" Hmmmm, self scouting......... The more I think about the post bye product and the more I apply what I know about Cristospazz the more I'm begining to realize that all that self scouting talk was just a euphemism for Cristospazz meddling in the offense and taking more control of it resulting in the abhorrent game plan vs GT and the purposeful slowing down of the offensive pace. I'm guessing Mario saw the gaudy numbers on offense and all the explosive plays and said, "Hey Shannon, we need to pound the rock up the middle much more on 1st and 10." This offense isn't as Tuff or Fizical as I would like it. "

🤣🤣🤣. Hyperbolic and overstated… but I think your premise actually may have some merit.

Change happens slowly - if at all - so the notion that Mario suddenly and wholeheartedly embraced a totally new and different offensive philosophy and stayed entirely out of the offensive game planning… probably not very likely.
 
🤣🤣🤣. Hyperbolic and overstated… but I think your premise actually may have some merit.

Change happens slowly - if at all - so the notion that Mario suddenly and wholeheartedly embraced a totally new and different offensive philosophy and stayed entirely out of the offensive game planning… probably not very likely.
Of course it's hyperbolic and overstated! It's done for comedic effect! ;)
 
Mario haters will literally say anything even when it doesnt make any sense.

he’s too wound up? He’s too stressed about winning?

Really?

And same posters slurp Saban, Kirby, Urban (who literally gave himself a heart attack twice) as if they aren’t some of the most wound up, stressed in your face coaches to ever walk the sidelines.

Then they’ll say “but they won championships”

Yes, they did and they were “wound up” coaches before they ever had a title or winning record.

As the great Bill Walsh said no one becomes a champion by accident. You have to act like one before you ever get there.

So Mario is using the championship blueprint he’s learned as a player and from working under arguably the greatest college FB coach of all
Time, but because he doesn’t troll on Twitter, smash co-eds, or is known for his air-raid system he’s an “up-tight caveman”.

Some act like you haven’t seen these players before under another regime.

I’d rather support the team and the players and be wrong in 3 years that this wasn’t the group to turn it around. Then shill on a message board for clout to say “I called this crew wasn’t it in 2023 bro.”

We’re literally in the middle of year 2 and yes there are some concerns but there have also been some clear improvement.

But to OPs point yes, I posted this in Cribby’s thread earlier in the week. This team does not handle success well. It might as well be adversity.

We are really good at a lot of position but we are not elite. So when your best players like Kam Kitchens make bad gambles. And TVD goes shell shocked for an entire quarter (if not the whole game) it’s going to be hard to overcome that.
 
Manny was a ‘fun’ coach too. We sure seem to be ‘having a blast’ when we’re winning. Sick of the nimrods here that want to blame the casual stuff when the answers are right in front of us.
 
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