My $0.02 on Mario/Beck

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Mario first - he is who he is. He's shown us who he is. He recruits well in both HS and Portal, hired name (but washed up) coaches to start but fixed some of that with better hires in Dawson/Hetherman. I think our offseason program and prep is good. Our body types look good and we don't have slow/out of shape guys, for the most part. We have better athletes and recruits than the previous few HC tenures.

*But then gameday hits*. And Mario gets outcoached by so much on gameday, it's not even funny. We thought Butch Davis' gameday gaffes were rough...yeesh. Mario puts him to shame. Wasted timeouts, procedural and dumb penalties, etc...we spend more time in a game beating ourselves and trying to stick to some kind of "identity" than actually just going out there and beating the other team. It's been said by others on here for sure - but it's almost like Mario doesn't want to win unless it's his way and on his terms. His stubbornness will be his eventual downfall (especially when it comes to letting Mirabal call the run game). Whether it's sooner or later, money, politics, and on-field results will tell that tale. Mario's tenure can be saved, but he's going to have to do some things that Golden and Richt wouldn't do - he'll have to swallow his pride and make major concessions/changes on the staff, and give away some of the micromanagement control he feels he needs to have. Otherwise...this will crash and burn sooner than later on its own.

As for Beck...I think things started going sideways for him well before he came to Coral Gables, and even before his injury at UGA. The drops by his WRs at UGA and his INTs by trying to be *the guy* and force throws...he's become rotten between the ears. But he still thinks since he had what success he did at UGA, that he knows better than everybody at Miami. I think Beck came in here thinking "this is the ACC, this is junior league - I did it in the SEC bigtime, and I'm the elite guy here, and everyone else needs to fall in line and they're the problem". I agree with his frustruration w/Brockermeyer for instance, but how he's handling it is terrible. We can see this mentality with all his temper tantrums on the sidelines. He walks around the sidelines alone pretty much, and where we saw Cam have his teammates gravitate towards him and work with him, they've been repelled this year by Beck. His leadership sucks, he thinks he knows it all, but he crumbles at the first sign of adversity when things don't go his way.

Some people have said on here and elsewhere that they think he has dead arm - I think his arm/elbow is fine. From all the hitching and second-guessing his reads, it's all in his head. He's rattled, and I don't know that he'll be able to get the confidence that he needs to be successful back...and even if he does, what happens after the next drop or INT?

Beck is best when he just plays naturally and doesn't think about it too much. Adversity gets him in his head and then he's no better than any other QB.
 
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Give me Dan Mullen with 90% autonomy and Mario can become one of the few to win NCs as a player and a coach. I know DM is a head coach, but that is at a dead end dump. Pay the man the same and promise him a real chance to win a NC. But, the current path will lead to 8-4 or 9-3 regularly. In today's world that gets you a bowl game that no one wants to play...............................
 
Mario's tenure can be saved, but he's going to have to do some things that Golden and Richt wouldn't do - he'll have to swallow his pride and make major concessions/changes on the staff, and give away some of the micromanagement control he feels he needs to have.

Mirabel is not going anywhere. Dennis likely also not (although I thought his role changed since Mario started). People said he wouldn't get rid of Joe and Mario did. Mario brought in a "clock management" person last year. We definitely are improved in that area although our starting point was putrid

Mario/Miami seems to clam up when the first bit of adversity hits during a game. Maybe it's PTSD from GT kneel game, our defense last year, Beck's 5INT game. I don't know. I agree he has to let his staff do their job and get out of micromanaging everything.

I agree with his frustruration w/Brockermeyer for instance, but how he's handling it is terrible. We can see this mentality with all his temper tantrums on the sidelines.

This year Beck has been more emotional than I thought. Both positive and negative. After the Trader TD on Saturday, Beck was super fired up positively. He also did the statue stance by the fans when he ran the TD in against UF or USF (can't remember which). He also teared up during the postgame interview after ND. The dude is emotional. With that comes the negative side as well. The barking at his teammates, poor body language, looking at disbelief to the sidelines when he can't believe they called a timeout costing them a first down.

Agree, the negative side does look bad on TV.
 
Mirabel is not going anywhere. Dennis likely also not (although I thought his role changed since Mario started). People said he wouldn't get rid of Joe and Mario did. Mario brought in a "clock management" person last year. We definitely are improved in that area although our starting point was putrid

Mario/Miami seems to clam up when the first bit of adversity hits during a game. Maybe it's PTSD from GT kneel game, our defense last year, Beck's 5INT game. I don't know. I agree he has to let his staff do their job and get out of micromanaging everything.



This year Beck has been more emotional than I thought. Both positive and negative. After the Trader TD on Saturday, Beck was super fired up positively. He also did the statue stance by the fans when he ran the TD in against UF or USF (can't remember which). He also teared up during the postgame interview after ND. The dude is emotional. With that comes the negative side as well. The barking at his teammates, poor body language, looking at disbelief to the sidelines when he can't believe they called a timeout costing them a first down.

Agree, the negative side does look bad on TV.

TrumpyCane doesn't see an issue with this, TVD was the opposite just sulking with no emotion and people tore him up for it

**** Cam tore into guys to, the difference was Cam was throwing 4TDs a game so no one cared
 
Man you making a lot of assumptions about Beck lol. He’s a better man than me! Cause I’d be going off on everyone on this team including the coaches for their terrible play calling! But hey, I was a linebacker in college.. we are expected to go off on teammates and be leaders.. when QB’s go off it looks bad and they say bad body language and blah blah blah. Look, if we put this kid in the best situation to succeed and he’s sucking than so be it, but we ain’t running a half decent offense here. Everyone is talking about how ****** our coaching is.
 
All this being said Mario needs to pull him into his office and talk to him. Beck needs to be right in the head for us to win out. Adjustments need to be made and I would start with getting Becks input. You have to have someone go lead this locker room and get the O something to be excited about. I’m not seeing much energy on O. Let Carson be open and honest about what changes he would like to implement.
 
TrumpyCane doesn't see an issue with this, TVD was the opposite just sulking with no emotion and people tore him up for it

**** Cam tore into guys to, the difference was Cam was throwing 4TDs a game so no one cared
This.

If JoJo and Lofton hang on, any one of the brutal penalties (especially Lightfoot and the non-dpi) go the other way, and we win in regulation…we’d be talking about Beck stepping up and “lighting a fire.”

I’d rather see the emotion as opposed to the Lagway bench death stare.
 
Mirabel is not going anywhere. Dennis likely also not (although I thought his role changed since Mario started). People said he wouldn't get rid of Joe and Mario did. Mario brought in a "clock management" person last year. We definitely are improved in that area although our starting point was putrid

Mario/Miami seems to clam up when the first bit of adversity hits during a game. Maybe it's PTSD from GT kneel game, our defense last year, Beck's 5INT game. I don't know. I agree he has to let his staff do their job and get out of micromanaging everything.



This year Beck has been more emotional than I thought. Both positive and negative. After the Trader TD on Saturday, Beck was super fired up positively. He also did the statue stance by the fans when he ran the TD in against UF or USF (can't remember which). He also teared up during the postgame interview after ND. The dude is emotional. With that comes the negative side as well. The barking at his teammates, poor body language, looking at disbelief to the sidelines when he can't believe they called a timeout costing them a first down.

Agree, the negative side does look bad on TV.
I noticed his facial expressions and vibe in the 2d half of the Florida game. Visibly frustrated and angry in an overt way that seemed unusual for a QB. Made me wonder if he was able to put a bad play behind him.
 
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Beck has shown that he is more than capable of QB’ing this roster to the playoffs. The failure of this team falls on Mario. Fans begged for decades for the school and its boosters to invest heavily into the football program. They did. And Mario has lit that money on fire. Dude is fool’s gold and I was an absolute fool to believe this year would be different.
 
I try to put myself in Becks shoes.

Half of his pics are not his fault. Straight up. Not open for debate.

He also has to run this putrid offense.

I'd be furious. We KNOW what he's capable of. We've literally seen it. He even throws a better deep ball than Cam.

Hes handcuffed by moronic coaches in this offense.

Constant O Line penalties make his job harder.

When we go tempo and spread, he looks fine.
 
Disagree with OP on Beck.He has played well except for Louisville game.
SMU game he played well until OT.If it wasn’t for Beck we would have lost in regulation.Had no run game at all, multiple OL penalties and still came thru.The 1 st INT was on Trader.
Also BS offensive PI call early in game negated big completion inside 5 yard line.

Coaches are putting Beck in difficult position with Caveman Offense they run.
 
Mario first - he is who he is. He's shown us who he is. He recruits well in both HS and Portal, hired name (but washed up) coaches to start but fixed some of that with better hires in Dawson/Hetherman. I think our offseason program and prep is good. Our body types look good and we don't have slow/out of shape guys, for the most part. We have better athletes and recruits than the previous few HC tenures.

*But then gameday hits*. And Mario gets outcoached by so much on gameday, it's not even funny. We thought Butch Davis' gameday gaffes were rough...yeesh. Mario puts him to shame. Wasted timeouts, procedural and dumb penalties, etc...we spend more time in a game beating ourselves and trying to stick to some kind of "identity" than actually just going out there and beating the other team. It's been said by others on here for sure - but it's almost like Mario doesn't want to win unless it's his way and on his terms. His stubbornness will be his eventual downfall (especially when it comes to letting Mirabal call the run game). Whether it's sooner or later, money, politics, and on-field results will tell that tale. Mario's tenure can be saved, but he's going to have to do some things that Golden and Richt wouldn't do - he'll have to swallow his pride and make major concessions/changes on the staff, and give away some of the micromanagement control he feels he needs to have. Otherwise...this will crash and burn sooner than later on its own.

As for Beck...I think things started going sideways for him well before he came to Coral Gables, and even before his injury at UGA. The drops by his WRs at UGA and his INTs by trying to be *the guy* and force throws...he's become rotten between the ears. But he still thinks since he had what success he did at UGA, that he knows better than everybody at Miami. I think Beck came in here thinking "this is the ACC, this is junior league - I did it in the SEC bigtime, and I'm the elite guy here, and everyone else needs to fall in line and they're the problem". I agree with his frustruration w/Brockermeyer for instance, but how he's handling it is terrible. We can see this mentality with all his temper tantrums on the sidelines. He walks around the sidelines alone pretty much, and where we saw Cam have his teammates gravitate towards him and work with him, they've been repelled this year by Beck. His leadership sucks, he thinks he knows it all, but he crumbles at the first sign of adversity when things don't go his way.

Some people have said on here and elsewhere that they think he has dead arm - I think his arm/elbow is fine. From all the hitching and second-guessing his reads, it's all in his head. He's rattled, and I don't know that he'll be able to get the confidence that he needs to be successful back...and even if he does, what happens after the next drop or INT?

Beck is best when he just plays naturally and doesn't think about it too much. Adversity gets him in his head and then he's no better than any other QB.
lot of guessing going on in this post
 
This.

If JoJo and Lofton hang on, any one of the brutal penalties (especially Lightfoot and the non-dpi) go the other way, and we win in regulation…we’d be talking about Beck stepping up and “lighting a fire.”

I’d rather see the emotion as opposed to the Lagway bench death stare.

This is not a defense of CMC because taking a knee with :25 and a timeout is ridiculously stupid. He'll never be a good gameday guy but that is malpractice.

But the perfect storm of penalty calls the last 2:30 of that game and then to top it off Trader getting tackled in front of the official on our last offensive play of the game…Is hard to forgive. We got jobbed royally, that is a fact.
 
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Mario first - he is who he is. He's shown us who he is. He recruits well in both HS and Portal, hired name (but washed up) coaches to start but fixed some of that with better hires in Dawson/Hetherman. I think our offseason program and prep is good. Our body types look good and we don't have slow/out of shape guys, for the most part. We have better athletes and recruits than the previous few HC tenures.

*But then gameday hits*. And Mario gets outcoached by so much on gameday, it's not even funny. We thought Butch Davis' gameday gaffes were rough...yeesh. Mario puts him to shame. Wasted timeouts, procedural and dumb penalties, etc...we spend more time in a game beating ourselves and trying to stick to some kind of "identity" than actually just going out there and beating the other team. It's been said by others on here for sure - but it's almost like Mario doesn't want to win unless it's his way and on his terms. His stubbornness will be his eventual downfall (especially when it comes to letting Mirabal call the run game). Whether it's sooner or later, money, politics, and on-field results will tell that tale. Mario's tenure can be saved, but he's going to have to do some things that Golden and Richt wouldn't do - he'll have to swallow his pride and make major concessions/changes on the staff, and give away some of the micromanagement control he feels he needs to have. Otherwise...this will crash and burn sooner than later on its own.

As for Beck...I think things started going sideways for him well before he came to Coral Gables, and even before his injury at UGA. The drops by his WRs at UGA and his INTs by trying to be *the guy* and force throws...he's become rotten between the ears. But he still thinks since he had what success he did at UGA, that he knows better than everybody at Miami. I think Beck came in here thinking "this is the ACC, this is junior league - I did it in the SEC bigtime, and I'm the elite guy here, and everyone else needs to fall in line and they're the problem". I agree with his frustruration w/Brockermeyer for instance, but how he's handling it is terrible. We can see this mentality with all his temper tantrums on the sidelines. He walks around the sidelines alone pretty much, and where we saw Cam have his teammates gravitate towards him and work with him, they've been repelled this year by Beck. His leadership sucks, he thinks he knows it all, but he crumbles at the first sign of adversity when things don't go his way.

Some people have said on here and elsewhere that they think he has dead arm - I think his arm/elbow is fine. From all the hitching and second-guessing his reads, it's all in his head. He's rattled, and I don't know that he'll be able to get the confidence that he needs to be successful back...and even if he does, what happens after the next drop or INT?

Beck is best when he just plays naturally and doesn't think about it too much. Adversity gets him in his head and then he's no better than any other QB.

Butch Davis had zero experience as a Head Coach - and had to adapt and learn a bit. And he definitely improved - no one can argue that. JJ had a rough first season here as well.


Butch got really good Coordinators after a bit of time - and let them work.

That's the difference here.

Butch was learning.

Mario already knows it all.

Good post!
 
coaching has tanked his nfl aspirations and folks want him to be stoic while dawson fiddles in a note pad trying to call a play in all the while not letting him audible anything. lol he was tired of the f*ck sh*t this saturday especially when he was playing well.
 
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