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[OrangeBowlMagic]

This isn't 4 games, this is well over a decade. Kids playing agianst Middle Tennessee did they look like players that care about winning? lets see when we play Clemson if Miami plays a competitive game. It took a team littered of 4 and 5 star players OT to beat Wake. Their players care and they play hard, complete opposite of what Miami does.

So if we hired a coach, and he has to “un-do” a decade plus of not giving a ****, should we give him more than 4 games to try to change that or should we cry like little girls like 80% of this board is doing?

 

[nickster]

I guess coming out flat for 3 games is not the head coach 's responsibility. Wow, he got paid 8 million a year to fix this and the guys come out FLAT FLAT FLAT and you want to dismiss this?

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Stars are not a straight line to talent. Stars are, at best, a projection of talent.

That said, we have consistently had more than enough talent on this roster to play for a conference championship, but only actually played in that game once.

 

[Disgustipated]

So if we hired a coach, and he has to “un-do” a decade plus of not giving a ****, should we give him more than 4 games to try to change that or should we cry like little girls like 80% of this board is doing?

you obviously arent following along. My stance is clear. the players on this team stink. there isn't a coach in America that would have a different record. Maybe 1 game better. This staff deserves time to weed **** out and it needs to be weeded out. this roster is filled with players that are fine with losing and it infects the handful of quality players on the roster.

 

[Rellyrell]

: Analytical Reply

May I share some revelatory news w/ this fan base? This might come as a shock since it’s “Blame Mario Month.”

Since 2016, The University of Miami have ranked:

3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st (Mario’s transition class) in ACC recruiting.

Since 2016, The University of Miami have signed:

3 - 5* recruits
71 - 4* (HS) recruits
1 - 4* (JUCO) recruit

Out of these blue chip recruits, since 2016 Miami have signed:

28 young men who ranked top 10 at their position, nationally.

That looks good on paper; but let’s see why we’re failing.

Pls note:
-Solid/Decent Career is defined by those who were starters, steady contributors, but not drafted
-Other is defined by those who medically retired early, missed significant time yearly from injuries, or haven’t seen the field much.

2016: 4* (9 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 44.4%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: 33.3%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 11.1%
*Other Ratio: 11.1%

2017: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 30%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 40%
*Draft Ratio: 20%
*Solid/ Decent Career Ratio: 10%
*Other Ratio: 0%

2018: 4* (14 signed) / 5*(1 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 7.1% (only 1 remains on team)
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 50%
*Draft Ratio: 7.1%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 28.5%
*Other Ratio: 7.1%

2019: 4* (7 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 14.3%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 28.5%
*Draft Ratio: 0% (thus far)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 42.9%
*Other Ratio: 14.3%

2020: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 10%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: NA (not draft eligible)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 30%
*Other Ratio: 60%

2021: 4* (12 signed) / 5* (2 signed)
2022: 4* (10 signed)

For both the class of ‘21 & ‘22, they’ve been given the benefit of the doubt & classified as TBD, b/c many have not seen the field yet, & are either TFr, RS-Fr, or TSo.

But looking at the “suppose veteran leadership that were to be established from the classes of ‘16 - ‘20:

*Only 11.8%, or 1 out of 8.5 of these recruits have been drafted thus far (w/ none coming in the 1st 3 rounds)

*44% on average, or 1 out of 2.3 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team either by being a bust or transferred

*25% on average, or 1 out of 4 of these recruits have had a solid career, without being NFL draft worthy

*19.2% on average, or 1 out of 5.2 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team from early retirement or managing health issues (no fault of their own, but still apart of the equation)

So basically our “star board” has been troublesome. When 64% of the upper class blue chip players we’ve recruited have either been bust, bust & transfers, transfers, battled health issues either causing limiting playing time or early retirement, it doesn’t help any coach.

We can blame it on lack of coaching & development, sure, but almost all of our blue chip transfers either were bust at another P5 program, bust at a G5 program, or had to drop to the FCS level. That’s not on coaching, that’s evaluations.

So moving fwd, these threads r cool, but as I’ve said before, we’ve had bigger issues than just x’s & o’s.

 

[QuattroCane]

: Analytical Reply

May I share some revelatory news w/ this fan base? This might come as a shock since it’s “Blame Mario Month.”

Since 2016, The University of Miami have ranked:

3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st (Mario’s transition class) in ACC recruiting.

Since 2016, The University of Miami have signed:

3 - 5* recruits
71 - 4* (HS) recruits
1 - 4* (JUCO) recruit

Out of these blue chip recruits, since 2016 Miami have signed:

28 young men who ranked top 10 at their position, nationally.

That’s looks good on paper; but let’s see why we’re failing.

Pls note:
-Solid/Decent Career is defined by those who were starters, steady contributors, but not drafted
-Other is defined by those who medically retired early, missed significant time yearly from injuries, or haven’t seen the field much.

2016: 4* (9 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 44.4%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: 33.3%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 11.1%
*Other Ratio: 11.1%

2017: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 30%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 40%
*Draft Ratio: 20%
*Solid/ Decent Career Ratio: 10%
*Other Ratio: 0%

2018: 4* (14 signed) / 5*(1 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 7.1% (only 1 remains on team)
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 50%
*Draft Ratio: 7.1%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 28.5%
*Other Ratio: 7.1%

2019: 4* (7 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 14.3%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 28.5%
*Draft Ratio: 0% (thus far)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 42.9%
*Other Ratio: 14.3%

2020: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 10%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: NA (not draft eligible)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 30%
*Other Ratio: 60%

2021: 4* (12 signed) / 5* (2 signed)
2022: 4* (10 signed)

For both the class of ‘21 & ‘22, they’ve been given the benefit of the doubt & classified as TBD, b/c many have not seen the field yet, & are either TFr, RS-Fr, or TSo.

But looking at the “suppose veteran leadership that were to be established from the classes of ‘16 - ‘20:

*Only 11.8%, or 1 out of 8.5 of these recruits have been drafted thus far (w/ none coming in the 1st 3 rounds)

*44% on average, or 1 out of 2.3 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team either by being a bust or transferred

*25% on average, or 1 out of 5 of these recruits have had a solid career, without being NFL draft worthy

*19.2% on average, or 1 out of 5.2 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team from early retirement or managing health issues (no fault of their own, but still apart of the equation)

So basically our “star board” has been troublesome. When 64% of the upper class blue chip players we’ve recruited have either been bust, bust & transfers, transfers, battled health issues either causing limiting playing time or early retirement, it doesn’t help any coach.

We can blame it on lack of coaching & development, sure, but almost all of our blue chip transfers either were bust at another P5 program, bust at a G5 program, or had to drop to the FCS level. That’s not on coaching, that’s evaluations.

So moving fwd, these threads r cool, but as I’ve said before, we’ve had bigger issues than just x’s & o’s.

Grammatical reply *has

 

[SWFLHurricane]

you obviously arent following along. My stance is clear. the players on this team stink. there isn't a coach in America that would have a different record. Maybe 1 game better. This staff deserves time to weed **** out and it needs to be weeded out. this roster is filled with players that are fine with losing and it infects the handful of quality players on the roster.

I don't believe that "There isn't a Coach in America that would have a better record" whatsoever.....

 

[Rellyrell]

Grammatical reply *has

I’m pretty sure it’s “have” since the U would be considered a “they” & they is coupled w/ have, not has.

 

[TruCane81]

LOL at this horse**** again. 247 says Miami has overwhelming talent, great. Did 247 say Miami has no heart, no passion for winning, no accountability within the players? Don't say anything about the new coaching staff, virtually every player that played against MTSU has been mailing it the **** in most of the time they have been here. Amazingly, coaches aren't magicians. Talent has nothing to do with a 247 composite ranking at all, when said talent doesn't give a **** about winning and their teamates. Don't hate on Wake Forest those kids obviously care about being great, they care about winning so their actual talent shows up on gamedays. Stars next to a name on a piece of paper isn't talent

get a grip, Wake has a good team because their players want to be great and they want to win. **** your paper stars

This isn't 4 games, this is well over a decade. Kids playing agianst Middle Tennessee did they look like players that care about winning? lets see when we play Clemson if Miami plays a competitive game. It took a team littered of 4 and 5 star players OT to beat Wake. Their players care and they play hard, complete opposite of what Miami does.

This isn't 4 games, this is well over a decade. Kids playing agianst Middle Tennessee did they look like players that care about winning? lets see when we play Clemson if Miami plays a competitive game. It took a team littered of 4 and 5 star players OT to beat Wake. Their players care and they play hard, complete opposite of what Miami does.

You can’t see the forest for the trees.

If Wake’s players have so much heart and play so hard, WHY do they do it? Why did they not do it before?

 

[TruCane81]

I guess coming out flat for 3 games is not the head coach 's responsibility. Wow, he got paid 8 million a year to fix this and the guys come out FLAT FLAT FLAT and you want to dismiss this?

Did we come out flat?

Our quarterback threw two picks in the first quarter, one a pick six, and was not held accountable for it. What message does that send the team? After we have watched him struggle for several games now?

I like Mario and I think he is the man for the job, but he has put himself in a tough position and has to make some really tough decisions regarding his offensive coordinator, quarterback , and playing time. He needs to keep an eye on Steele too. I think that performance was more fluke than anything, though.

If he does it right, he can pull this team together and get unquestioned buy in.

The staff was saying before the season that they could push this group. Regardless how disappointing the MTSU game was, there is an attitude of guys wanting to get better on this team. But the coaches are going to have to step up and set these guys up to succeed. They need proof of concept and right now, the staff (mainly offensive) is not providing that.

It’s real simple. How do you get these guys to believe in you when your system has them performing worse than the previous system they were under? You want to kill morale and create a listless team, that is the fast track.

 

[NorthernVirginiaCane]

Did we come out flat?

Our quarterback threw two picks in the first quarter, one a pick six, and was not held accountable for it. What message does that send the team? After we have watched him struggle for several games now?

I like Mario and I think he is the man for the job, but he has put himself in a tough position and has to make some really tough decisions regarding his offensive coordinator, quarterback , and playing time. He needs to keep an eye on Steele too. I think that performance was more fluke than anything, though.

If he does it right, he can pull this team together and get unquestioned buy in.

The staff was saying before the season that they could push this group. Regardless how disappointing the MTSU game was, there is an attitude of guys wanting to get better on this team. But the coaches are going to have to step up and set these guys up to succeed. They need proof of concept and right now, the staff (mainly offensive) is not providing that.

It’s real simple. How do you get these guys to believe in you when your system has them performing worse than the previous system they were under? You want to kill morale and create a listless team, that is the fast track.

Mario is pathetic. Easy schedule, loaded roster, $8mm/year and this ...

 

[TruCane81]

: Analytical Reply

May I share some revelatory news w/ this fan base? This might come as a shock since it’s “Blame Mario Month.”

Since 2016, The University of Miami have ranked:

3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st (Mario’s transition class) in ACC recruiting.

Since 2016, The University of Miami have signed:

3 - 5* recruits
71 - 4* (HS) recruits
1 - 4* (JUCO) recruit

Out of these blue chip recruits, since 2016 Miami have signed:

28 young men who ranked top 10 at their position, nationally.

That looks good on paper; but let’s see why we’re failing.

Pls note:
-Solid/Decent Career is defined by those who were starters, steady contributors, but not drafted
-Other is defined by those who medically retired early, missed significant time yearly from injuries, or haven’t seen the field much.

2016: 4* (9 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 44.4%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: 33.3%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 11.1%
*Other Ratio: 11.1%

2017: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 30%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 40%
*Draft Ratio: 20%
*Solid/ Decent Career Ratio: 10%
*Other Ratio: 0%

2018: 4* (14 signed) / 5*(1 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 7.1% (only 1 remains on team)
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 50%
*Draft Ratio: 7.1%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 28.5%
*Other Ratio: 7.1%

2019: 4* (7 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 14.3%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 28.5%
*Draft Ratio: 0% (thus far)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 42.9%
*Other Ratio: 14.3%

2020: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 10%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: NA (not draft eligible)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 30%
*Other Ratio: 60%

2021: 4* (12 signed) / 5* (2 signed)
2022: 4* (10 signed)

For both the class of ‘21 & ‘22, they’ve been given the benefit of the doubt & classified as TBD, b/c many have not seen the field yet, & are either TFr, RS-Fr, or TSo.

But looking at the “suppose veteran leadership that were to be established from the classes of ‘16 - ‘20:

*Only 11.8%, or 1 out of 8.5 of these recruits have been drafted thus far (w/ none coming in the 1st 3 rounds)

*44% on average, or 1 out of 2.3 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team either by being a bust or transferred

*25% on average, or 1 out of 5 of these recruits have had a solid career, without being NFL draft worthy

*19.2% on average, or 1 out of 5.2 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team from early retirement or managing health issues (no fault of their own, but still apart of the equation)

So basically our “star board” has been troublesome. When 64% of the upper class blue chip players we’ve recruited have either been bust, bust & transfers, transfers, battled health issues either causing limiting playing time or early retirement, it doesn’t help any coach.

We can blame it on lack of coaching & development, sure, but almost all of our blue chip transfers either were bust at another P5 program, bust at a G5 program, or had to drop to the FCS level. That’s not on coaching, that’s evaluations.

So moving fwd, these threads r cool, but as I’ve said before, we’ve had bigger issues than just x’s & o’s.

Excellent post, Rell, but I would like to approach it from another angle.

It is obvious from our draft results that we haven’t done as well as we should have recruiting pure athletes. These guys get drafted regardof school or production. The X’s and O’s don’t affect this much.

Where the X’s and O’s do have a DEVASTATING effect is on your ability to create high quality COLLEGE players. There are many different athletic profiles with players having similar traits, but they perform at vastly different levels. This is due to two primary factors. The drive of the player and the situation the players are in.

There has been much talk of Wake Forest in this thread. Some believe they just inherently have more heart, but I strongly disagree with that. These guys are being built up and used properly. The success breeds success, grows confidence, and provides proof of concept. It’s easy to play with “heart” under such circumstances because the system makes it worth it to.

Miami hasn’t had that in a LONG time.Something is wrong with our process where everyone is making basic, game killing mistakes. When your coaches do it, it destroys the team’s confidence in the coaches and in themselves and leads down a dark road.

We definitely need to evaluate better, but we are not using the skills of the guys right now properly. We are determined to do things the guys show they can’t do on tape over and over and abandon the things they can do for no reason. We have holes, but we can fix much of this now. We just need the players to show up to work and the coaches to do what they said they would and fit the strategy to the player’s strengths.

 

[QuattroCane]

I’m pretty sure it’s “have” since the U would be considered a “they” & they is coupled w/ have, not has.

Lol, just ****** with you. I have no real clue.

 

[Rellyrell]

Lol, just ****** with you. I have no real clue.

U mutha! Lol

 

[Home Slice]

: Analytical Reply

May I share some revelatory news w/ this fan base? This might come as a shock since it’s “Blame Mario Month.”

Since 2016, The University of Miami have ranked:

3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st (Mario’s transition class) in ACC recruiting.

Since 2016, The University of Miami have signed:

3 - 5* recruits
71 - 4* (HS) recruits
1 - 4* (JUCO) recruit

Out of these blue chip recruits, since 2016 Miami have signed:

28 young men who ranked top 10 at their position, nationally.

That looks good on paper; but let’s see why we’re failing.

Pls note:
-Solid/Decent Career is defined by those who were starters, steady contributors, but not drafted
-Other is defined by those who medically retired early, missed significant time yearly from injuries, or haven’t seen the field much.

2016: 4* (9 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 44.4%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: 33.3%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 11.1%
*Other Ratio: 11.1%

2017: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 30%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 40%
*Draft Ratio: 20%
*Solid/ Decent Career Ratio: 10%
*Other Ratio: 0%

2018: 4* (14 signed) / 5*(1 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 7.1% (only 1 remains on team)
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 50%
*Draft Ratio: 7.1%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 28.5%
*Other Ratio: 7.1%

2019: 4* (7 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 14.3%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 28.5%
*Draft Ratio: 0% (thus far)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 42.9%
*Other Ratio: 14.3%

2020: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 10%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: NA (not draft eligible)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 30%
*Other Ratio: 60%

2021: 4* (12 signed) / 5* (2 signed)
2022: 4* (10 signed)

For both the class of ‘21 & ‘22, they’ve been given the benefit of the doubt & classified as TBD, b/c many have not seen the field yet, & are either TFr, RS-Fr, or TSo.

But looking at the “suppose veteran leadership that were to be established from the classes of ‘16 - ‘20:

*Only 11.8%, or 1 out of 8.5 of these recruits have been drafted thus far (w/ none coming in the 1st 3 rounds)

*44% on average, or 1 out of 2.3 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team either by being a bust or transferred

*25% on average, or 1 out of 4 of these recruits have had a solid career, without being NFL draft worthy

*19.2% on average, or 1 out of 5.2 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team from early retirement or managing health issues (no fault of their own, but still apart of the equation)

So basically our “star board” has been troublesome. When 64% of the upper class blue chip players we’ve recruited have either been bust, bust & transfers, transfers, battled health issues either causing limiting playing time or early retirement, it doesn’t help any coach.

We can blame it on lack of coaching & development, sure, but almost all of our blue chip transfers either were bust at another P5 program, bust at a G5 program, or had to drop to the FCS level. That’s not on coaching, that’s evaluations.

So moving fwd, these threads r cool, but as I’ve said before, we’ve had bigger issues than just x’s & o’s.

You're making way too much sense man.

 

[bobbydigius]

: Analytical Reply

May I share some revelatory news w/ this fan base? This might come as a shock since it’s “Blame Mario Month.”

Since 2016, The University of Miami have ranked:

3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st (Mario’s transition class) in ACC recruiting.

Since 2016, The University of Miami have signed:

3 - 5* recruits
71 - 4* (HS) recruits
1 - 4* (JUCO) recruit

Out of these blue chip recruits, since 2016 Miami have signed:

28 young men who ranked top 10 at their position, nationally.

That looks good on paper; but let’s see why we’re failing.

Pls note:
-Solid/Decent Career is defined by those who were starters, steady contributors, but not drafted
-Other is defined by those who medically retired early, missed significant time yearly from injuries, or haven’t seen the field much.

2016: 4* (9 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 44.4%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: 33.3%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 11.1%
*Other Ratio: 11.1%

2017: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 30%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 40%
*Draft Ratio: 20%
*Solid/ Decent Career Ratio: 10%
*Other Ratio: 0%

2018: 4* (14 signed) / 5*(1 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 7.1% (only 1 remains on team)
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 50%
*Draft Ratio: 7.1%
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 28.5%
*Other Ratio: 7.1%

2019: 4* (7 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 14.3%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 28.5%
*Draft Ratio: 0% (thus far)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 42.9%
*Other Ratio: 14.3%

2020: 4* (10 signed)
*Bust Ratio: 10%
*Transfer/Left Early Ratio: 0%
*Draft Ratio: NA (not draft eligible)
*Solid/Decent Career Ratio: 30%
*Other Ratio: 60%

2021: 4* (12 signed) / 5* (2 signed)
2022: 4* (10 signed)

For both the class of ‘21 & ‘22, they’ve been given the benefit of the doubt & classified as TBD, b/c many have not seen the field yet, & are either TFr, RS-Fr, or TSo.

But looking at the “suppose veteran leadership that were to be established from the classes of ‘16 - ‘20:

*Only 11.8%, or 1 out of 8.5 of these recruits have been drafted thus far (w/ none coming in the 1st 3 rounds)

*44% on average, or 1 out of 2.3 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team either by being a bust or transferred

*25% on average, or 1 out of 4 of these recruits have had a solid career, without being NFL draft worthy

*19.2% on average, or 1 out of 5.2 of these recruits have had a negative impact on the team from early retirement or managing health issues (no fault of their own, but still apart of the equation)

So basically our “star board” has been troublesome. When 64% of the upper class blue chip players we’ve recruited have either been bust, bust & transfers, transfers, battled health issues either causing limiting playing time or early retirement, it doesn’t help any coach.

We can blame it on lack of coaching & development, sure, but almost all of our blue chip transfers either were bust at another P5 program, bust at a G5 program, or had to drop to the FCS level. That’s not on coaching, that’s evaluations.

So moving fwd, these threads r cool, but as I’ve said before, we’ve had bigger issues than just x’s & o’s.

Bad Evaluations are a coaching issue though...

 

[Rellyrell]

Bad Evaluations are a coaching issue though...

Agreed, but that’s still Pre-Mario. My point was saying “we have all these stars” is a moot point b/c these evaluations have been chit. It’ll be different if we saw kids transfer, & go on to be studs or at the least, serviceable; but, we’re seeing these “blue chip” kids transfer & r absolutely still turrible.

So the star argument, under previous regimes, haven’t held much weight. Truly, Al Golden was the epitome of poor coaching b/c his evals were top notch & the NFL proves that; that’s y I focused on ‘16 - ‘21 specifically.

 

[bobbydigius]

Agreed, but that’s still Pre-Mario. My point was saying “we have all these stars” is a moot point b/c these evaluations have been chit. It’ll be different if we saw kids transfer, & go on to be studs or at the least, serviceable; but, we’re seeing these “blue chip” kids transfer & r absolutely still turrible.

So the star argument, under previous regimes, haven’t held much weight. Truly, Al Golden was the epitome of poor coaching b/c his evals were top notch & the NFL proves that; that’s y I focused on ‘16 - ‘21 specifically.

I am still on the Mario train through and through, with the added disclaimer that even being on that train I have concerns whether or not he takes us to the promised land. I am fairly confident thought, that he makes us a legit program again. Also, all of this so **** fluid and nuanced. I think we agree in general but I cant exactly say that just because a kid transferred and still sucked, that they always sucked. Coming out of HS, these kids are yet to be molded into what they eventually can become. You can have a brilliant kid that without the right tutelage can get into a bugar sugar habit and never amount to anything. This applies everywhere. I think we had poor coaching previously across the board. We also had poor evaluations although as you said, Al did well here, but ultimately there is a third step and that is actual development where we also failed at. We know someone like Pope had a problem with discipline and I wonder what could have been if he went to a place like Bama. Im not saying he would have bee Henry Ruggs or one of those WRs, but I bet he turns out better. All in all, we mostly identified kids that had talent but issues and let those issues grow instead of helping them. Finally, stars or no stars, we should be 3-1 and the loss to Middle Tenn was on coaching.

 

[Rellyrell]

I am still on the Mario train through and through, with the added disclaimer that even being on that train I have concerns whether or not he takes us to the promised land. I am fairly confident thought, that he makes us a legit program again. Also, all of this so **** fluid and nuanced. I think we agree in general but I cant exactly say that just because a kid transferred and still sucked, that they always sucked. Coming out of HS, these kids are yet to be molded into what they eventually can become. You can have a brilliant kid that without the right tutelage can get into a bugar sugar habit and never amount to anything. This applies everywhere. I think we had poor coaching previously across the board. We also had poor evaluations although as you said, Al did well here, but ultimately there is a third step and that is actual development where we also failed at. We know someone like Pope had a problem with discipline and I wonder what could have been if he went to a place like Bama. Im not saying he would have bee Henry Ruggs or one of those WRs, but I bet he turns out better. All in all, we mostly identified kids that had talent but issues and let those issues grow instead of helping them. Finally, stars or no stars, we should be 3-1 and the loss to Middle Tenn was on coaching.

I agree w/ all of ur points, including Mario. For the record, Mario was not my 1st choice coming here, but I do feel he will get us back to relevance. B/c of certain coaching decisions, & for all the tedious, detailed oriented nature he possess, he looks tight during critical moments (see clock mgmt in the TAMU game). So b/c of that, I’m not sure if we’ll get to #6 vs. flirting w #6. Again, not sure.

With that being said, I mentioned a point of Shaq while he was here, & I said the same thing u said about Pope; that if Shaq went to Bama, I believe he would’ve been a borderline 1st - 2nd round pick.

I posted the article about culture in this thread, & culture may seem like a fluff word, but it’s truly real. I’ve dealt w/ bad culture in work environments, & I saw first hand how hard it was to break bad habits. It wasn’t a talent issue, it was an environment issue that everyone became comfortable w. This included not admitting being uncomfortable when new guidelines or systems were implemented. Over time via proper leadership & new hires, the culture changed. Same employees, but w a different mindset, communication, & fresh blood, it allowed for established, tenured ppl to work together as one unit.

Miami have been absolutely brutalized by bad culture, & our fans don’t truly understand that. Butch removed that rotten trait that festered under bar dive Erickson. Took him about 4 yrs through grind & hard work.

-Coker brought that same cancerous traits right back.

-Shannon tried to remove it, but was ill equipped to run a stable program, let alone a teetering one (and zero support from above)

-Golden came into a mess, & tried to parlay what he did in 2013 into his real dream job, which was PSU. After that debacle, bro literally didn’t give af.

-Richt then inherits a 2 yr mess, but we hire “Vacation Richt”, who was more concerned about living out a life long dream to coach w/ his unqualified son, which wrecked the most important room, the QB room.

-Manny was way over his head, but his arrogance & immaturity drove a stake into an already closed coffin. Poor habits both on & off the field led to unimaginable records set against us.

Poor culture that’s plagued this program, & top recruits coming in to this, wouldn’t have a chance. Recruits w/ poor evals coming into this??? Forget about it.

 

[bobbydigius]

I agree w/ all of ur points, including Mario. For the record, Mario was not my 1st choice coming here, but I do feel he will get us back to relevance. B/c of certain coaching decisions, & for all the tedious, detailed oriented nature he possess, he looks tight during critical moments (see clock mgmt in the TAMU game). So b/c of that, I’m not sure if we’ll get to #6 vs. flirting w #6. Again, not sure.

With that being said, I mentioned a point of Shaq while he was here, & I said the same thing u said about Pope; that if Shaq went to Bama, I believe he would’ve been a borderline 1st - 2nd round pick.

I posted the article about culture in this thread, & culture may seem like a fluff word, but it’s truly real. I’ve dealt w/ bad culture in work environments, & I saw first hand how hard it was to break bad habits. It wasn’t a talent issue, it was an environment issue that everyone became comfortable w. This included not admitting being uncomfortable when new guidelines or systems were implemented. Over time via proper leadership & new hires, the culture changed. Same employees, but w a different mindset, communication, & fresh blood, it allowed for established, tenured ppl to work together as one unit.

Miami have been absolutely brutalized by bad culture, & our fans don’t truly understand that. Butch removed that rotten trait that festered under bar dive Erickson. Took him about 4 yrs through grind & hard work.

-Coker brought that same cancerous traits right back.

-Shannon tried to remove it, but was ill equipped to run a stable program, let alone a teetering one (and zero support from above)

-Golden came into a mess, & tried to parlay what he did in 2013 into his real dream job, which was PSU. After that debacle, bro literally didn’t give af.

-Richt then inherits a 2 yr mess, but we hire “Vacation Richt”, who was more concerned about living out a life long dream to coach w/ his unqualified son, which wrecked the most important room, the QB room.

-Manny was way over his head, but his arrogance & immaturity drove a stake into an already closed coffin. Poor habits both on & off the field led to unimaginable records set against us.

Poor culture that’s plagued this program, & top recruits coming in to this, wouldn’t have a chance. Recruits w/ poor evals coming into this??? Forget about it.

Culture is very real. Worked at a company where they prioritized vocally(just like Manny) but in reality it was so toxic that it rotted everything.