Mike Ryan Scoop--11/22/2021 The Dan Lebatard Show

[DTP]

Why do you guys assume Lashlee wants to stay? It wasn’t part of his plans.

I figure he’s due to get a HC offer. If not, I can’t see him taking a coordinator position somewhere else provided the next coach isn’t bringing his own guy.

 

[DTP]

Fans are more impressed with throwing for 400 yards and 5 TDs a game. While nice, admittedly, this doesn’t always indicate elite talent and coaching.

Dwyane Haskins threw 50 TDs his last season at Ohio State. How’d that go?

Modern Air Raid offenses make stat monsters out of mediocre QBs. See: anyone who’s played under Mike Leach.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

It’s mind boggling the revisionist history here.

Yes, Herbert is exceeding many expectations in the NFL. That’s because most young quarterbacks don’t perform this good this quickly.

You don’t become a top-6 pick in the NFL draft with average or even above average college credentials. You are elite at this level and build your stock. He didn’t magically become a top pick.

Herbert was great at Oregon and he’s been great in the NFL.

There is so much "Me Too" in the media. You have a guy like Chris Collinsworth who probably did not watch 5 snaps of Herbert in college echoing like a parrot regarding Herbert's days at Oregon. The same stuff is being written right now that the Chargers are holding Herbert back this season and let Justin be Justin.

These same clowns were dumping all over Josh Allen at the draft.

 

[RaisingCane26]

Herbert is absolutely better than

Dude just face it Herbert is better than Tua and it’s not even close. Tua benefited from having a player at every position better than the opposing player. Herbert played with one great Lineman (Sewell) and a bunch of average Joe’s and won consistently. Herbert is taller, throws further, is more accurate, runs just as fast and has better poise. If we asked the dolphins right now if they would trade QBs they wouldn’t even take time for a single breath before saying yes.

Tua

Dude just face it Herbert is better than Tua and it’s not even close. Tua benefited from having a player at every position better than the opposing player. Herbert played with one great Lineman (Sewell) and a bunch of average Joe’s and won consistently. Herbert is taller, throws further, is more accurate, runs just as fast and has better poise. If we asked the dolphins right now if they would trade QBs they wouldn’t even take time for a single breath before saying yes.

Herbert is absolutely better than Tua. But Herbert was drafted to a better roster with better offensive coaching. Tua’s situation is on the opposite end of the spectrum. Football is a team sport and everyone must complement each other.

People acting like the Chargers were god awful and Herbert is doing it all by himself is a crock of ****. That offensive roster is loaded.

 

[Cash]

Is Mirabal better than Justice?

Absolutely!!!

 

[canes732]

Fans are more impressed with throwing for 400 yards and 5 TDs a game. While nice, admittedly, this doesn’t always indicate elite talent and coaching.

Dwyane Haskins threw 50 TDs his last season at Ohio State. How’d that go?

Could the Oregon offense featured more Herbert throwing? Maybe, but I don’t remember the Oregon WRs and TEs drafted into the NFL.

While I agree with u I will say this haskins was throwing to wide open WRs in a top 3 talented team it’s not the same as Miami. Not saying TVD is better yet but he’s deff Impressing

 

[TemplarCane]

Modern Air Raid offenses make stat monsters out of mediocre QBs. See: anyone who’s played under Mike Leach.

Exactly. Would you trade Herbert for Minshew?

No.

 

[flcanesfan]

Herbert is absolutely better than

Tua

Herbert is absolutely better than Tua. But Herbert was drafted to a better roster with better offensive coaching. Tua’s situation is on the opposite end of the spectrum. Football is a team sport and everyone must complement each other.

People acting like the Chargers were god awful and Herbert is doing it all by himself is a crock of ****. That offensive roster is loaded.

I agree Chargers have better skill position players but the Chargers were a 2 win team last year without Herbert.. their OL was quite possibly the worst oline on any team in decades and the D was laughable at best with nearly all of their playmakers on IR or playing injured. Tua didn’t walk into a great situation but he’s also not helping the situation with his mediocre at best play.

 

[423Hurricane]

Two things: Herbert was actually pretty good in college. Just not what we’ve seen in the NFL.

Second, I’d blame the OC/QB coach for lack of college production. I mean, I’m not giving Manny credit for TVD. Why would I blame Mario for Herbert?

All I ever heard negative about Herbert was he wasn’t a vocal leader and too low key which made him seem not serious about his game.

 

[akad1984]

IF Cristobal comes to Miami, I'm guessing he vomits and then wants to immediately renegotiate his contract once he sees our Canes' OL unit up close for a week.

Hopefully he’ll extend the Polynesian Pipeline to Coral Gables

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

IF Cristobal comes to Miami, I'm guessing he vomits and then wants to immediately renegotiate his contract once he sees our Canes' OL unit up close for a week.

Oregons last 3 games
UW - 6.79% (sack rate)
WSU - 5.34%
Utah - 8.40%
Avg- 6.84%

QB Sacks allowed %- 4.94%

UMs last three
VT - 6.60%
FSU - 7.61%
GT - 5.45%
Avg- 6.55%

QB Sacks allowed % - 3.39%

My gut feeling was that the OL has played much better the last 3 games so I decided to see what the stats say. UM and Oregon have played teams in the last 3 games that have similar sack rates. Relative to protecting the QB, it turns out UMs OL has performed quite a bit better than Oregons OL. Oregon has a significantly more mobile QB so UMs numbers are even more surprising.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Oregons last 3 games
UW - 6.79% (sack rate)
WSU - 5.34%
Utah - 8.40%
Avg- 6.84%

QB Sacks allowed %- 4.94%

UMs last three
VT - 6.60%
FSU - 7.61%
GT - 5.45%
Avg- 6.55%

QB Sacks allowed % - 3.39%

My gut feeling was that the OL has played much better the last 3 games so I decided to see what the stats say. UM and Oregon have played teams in the last 3 games that have similar sack rates. Relative to protecting the QB, it turns out UMs OL has performed quite a bit better than Oregons OL. Oregon has a significantly more mobile QB so UMs numbers are even more surprising.

Now do last two-three seasons.

 

[DTP]

Oregons last 3 games
UW - 6.79% (sack rate)
WSU - 5.34%
Utah - 8.40%
Avg- 6.84%

QB Sacks allowed %- 4.94%

UMs last three
VT - 6.60%
FSU - 7.61%
GT - 5.45%
Avg- 6.55%

QB Sacks allowed % - 3.39%

My gut feeling was that the OL has played much better the last 3 games so I decided to see what the stats say. UM and Oregon have played teams in the last 3 games that have similar sack rates. Relative to protecting the QB, it turns out UMs OL has performed quite a bit better than Oregons OL. Oregon has a significantly more mobile QB so UMs numbers are even more surprising.

I will say Miami’s line has pass protected a lot better but the numbers are misleading. Where VanDyke will get rid of the ball to avoid a sack, Anthony Brown tends to try to force more plays with his legs and ends up running into sacks. Mobile quarterbacks tend to get sacked a lot for that very reason. Still I don’t want to discount the improvement on Miami’s side either

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Now do last two-three seasons.

Why? Do you have limited internet access and are unable to your own research? Are you on the internet at a public library?

I am interested in knowing whose OL playing better at the moment. Since Clarke took over at Center, the OL protection has looked significantly better.

 

[DTP]

All I ever heard negative about Herbert was he wasn’t a vocal leader and too low key which made him seem not serious about his game.

A lot of the pre draft criticism was that he didn’t throw downfield a lot. Oregon ran a ton of WR screens and underneath stuff so a lot of people thought they were covering for some kind of lack of downfield accuracy. Herbert also had a (somewhat) earned reputation for folding in big moments. For all the great plays he made, it was understood that if you could pressure him, he’d crumble. Honestly, I thought he was a good college QB but nothing special in terms of NFL ability. But I’m wrong about these things all the time so nobody should be paying for my opinion.

 

[423Hurricane]

A lot of the pre draft criticism was that he didn’t throw downfield a lot. Oregon ran a ton of WR screens and underneath stuff so a lot of people thought they were covering for some kind of lack of downfield accuracy. Herbert also had a (somewhat) earned reputation for folding in big moments. For all the great plays he made, it was understood that if you could pressure him, he’d crumble. Honestly, I thought he was a good college QB but nothing special in terms of NFL ability. But I’m wrong about these things all the time so nobody should be paying for my opinion.

Don’t be too hard on yourself. NFL scouts are often wrong as well. Lol

 

[fincane]

I agree Chargers have better skill position players but the Chargers were a 2 win team last year without Herbert.. their OL was quite possibly the worst oline on any team in decades and the D was laughable at best with nearly all of their playmakers on IR or playing injured. Tua didn’t walk into a great situation but he’s also not helping the situation with his mediocre at best play.

Tua has played significant snaps in 6 games this year. He has a passer rating over 100 in three of them with a 95 thrown in there in his first start coming back from broken ribs. Thats all with playing behind one of the worst OL in Dolphins history and throwing to Mack Hollins, Gesicki and the rookie Waddle. He's played two games with Parker this year and none with Fuller. Herbert currently stands at 5 out of 11 with a talented rebuilt OL and good pass catchers who are available.

There is absolutely no comparison in their situations. You wanna be real, Herbert has had multiple stinkers this year. Tua has the one against the Bills and the Bills do that to alot of QBs

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

I will say Miami’s line has pass protected a lot better but the numbers are misleading. Where VanDyke will get rid of the ball to avoid a sack, Anthony Brown tends to try to force more plays with his legs and ends up running into sacks. Mobile quarterbacks tend to get sacked a lot for that very reason. Still I don’t want to discount the improvement on Miami’s side either

I thought running QBs tended to take fewer sacks because they are usually able to at least make it back to the LOS. I really don't know the answer to this - do running QBs usually have higher sack #s than pocket QBs or is Brown just a really bad QB?

 

[Empirical Cane]

Why? Do you have limited internet access and are unable to your own research? Are you on the internet at a public library?

I am interested in knowing whose OL playing better at the moment. Since Clarke took over at Center, the OL protection has looked significantly better.

I actually have limited right now.

Im on a boat in the deep blue sea.

 

[DTP]

I thought running QBs tended to take fewer sacks because they are usually able to at least make it back to the LOS. I really don't know the answer to this - do running QBs usually have higher sack #s than pocket QBs or is Brown just a really bad QB?

I don’t know the actual numbers tbh. The general consensus is: all things equal, a scrambler will usually get sacked more often because he’ll try to extend plays instead of just getting rid of the ball. But he’ll offset the sacks by gaining more positive yardage. So it’s a high risk/reward type of situation. I’m 100% positive King got sacked at a much higher rate than VanDyke behind the same line despite being a much better runner. TVD does have a knack for avoiding the rush though and they keep a back in to protect a lot more because those downfield routes take time to develop. Honestly, I think half the responsibility of pass protection is on the quarterback and his ability to sense pressure and adjust. Dan Marino, one of the all time slowest players was the master.

Edit: I couldn’t find too much on college QBs but the NFL quarterbacks who get sacked the most are almost exclusively athletic run types

Most Sacked Qb In 2021 | StatMuse

Joe Burrow got sacked the most by a quarterback in 2021, with 51 sacks.

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