Mike James on fan base raising money for fire golden banner

[deleted1562]

The banner has temporarily served its purpose. Should we lose next Saturday, expect the bannering to become furious and with a vengeance.

6-4(3-3) is screaming for a banner.

LOL @ anyone actually thinking Al Golden saw a banner and magically learned how to coach.

Whatever happened the past few weeks, and whatever happens the next few weeks, would have happened either way. It has nothing to do with the banner. The banner was an external manifestation of things people inside the program were already well aware of.

It's not about Folden learning how to coach, but rather trusting his players. And he didn't do that until his fat *** started to feel the heat from the fans and (possibly) the administration. The math is real simple...win, and the banners stop! Not that complicated.

Would trusting his players (and calling more aggressive plays on defense, and establishing a more defined offense via the run, and all the other changes that seem to have been made over the past few weeks) not be contained under the umbrella of learning how to coach?

No. **** no!! That would imply he knew what to do all along, but chose not to do it. That falls under the umbrella of being a stubborn jackass, which he is!
Three weeks of better football does not make up for the 3/12 years of bullsh*t we all had to endure.

Not necessarily. It could imply that he is capable of learning and changing because that's what appears to be happening. We've finally established an identity on offense that uses our best player to the best of his abilities. We're finally blitzing and putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. We're finally beating conference opponents convincingly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ready to say that Golden is the best guy for the job, but if you want to talk about being stubborn then deny Golden the credit he deserves for stringing together three strong victories because you're mad that we were bad for the past three years.

You're right. Three weeks of better football does not make up for three years of garbage, but a full season of good football starts with one week of good football followed by another week of good football followed by another week of good football...

With that said, we all agree that we haven't played strong teams. This is only what it seems. We'll know a lot more about this team in one week.

 

[Noah]

if ya'll have such a problem with the banner people why don't you go tell it straight to them instead of having a whiny circle jerk over here about it

http://www.westendzone.com

I just dont' get why ya'll talk so down to htese people like if you have a problem with what they're doing it's not like they anonymous or something.

I don't understand how there's two more pages *****ing about the banner but none of you have gone to the source?

 

[DCF in LA]

The banner did the job it was supposed to. ***** about it all you want, but the team has played better since, the corches have actually begun coaching, and we are playing with an edge that hasn't been there for the last 3+ seasons. I'm happy to have contributed monetarily, and should AG start underperforming again, I'll keep on donating until something else happens.

Now, I'm not saying the banner was THE reason for the turnaround, but you couple that with public opinion firmly AGAINST Golden when we were 3-3, the local beat reporters finally starting to ask pointed questions about D'nofrio and our atrocious defensive schemes, the general consensus across the country that the Canes were firmly irrelevant, and it begins to paint a broad picture. The whole thing snowballed to the point where Golden had to make some drastic changes in our approach, and the results are clearly evident on the field. Team looks miles better than at any point in the last 3 years. We'll see if it continues against the best team in the country.

If we run out the table and win double-digit games, dare to tell me the banners weren't worth it. Go on, I'll be here waiting.

 

[DCF in LA]

Freedom of speech and to spend my money any way I want.

If Golden was on minimum wage, I would understand going after his "livelyhood". But my dollars in season tickets pay for him, so I should have a voice. To have it muted because someone doesn't like it, if you feel that way, Russia and Cuba would love you as a citizen.

By the way, I didn't give any money to the banner, but I support it and the folks right to do it. It is their opinion, and their money, and they should be able to do whatever the **** they want with both.

So basically the anti banner people are anti America. Game, set, match *******

no, they have an opinion too. I respect their opinion. When it crosses the line is either side is oppressed and not allowed to have their opinion. My statement stands, if a person believes another shouldn't have a right to say what they want or spend their money how they want, then there are communist countries that would love them as citizens.
I spent a good portion of my life defending that right, and I don't like it when people feel compelled to oppress rights with liberal agendas. Thought police. Political correctness.

I would support the opposite group just as strongly if they flew a banner supporting Golden and folks ripped them and tried to oppress them; however, you don't see too many folks in that segment of the population except for words on a board.

I'll be the first ************ in line with a c-note in hand if Golden rips off 20 straight and wins a national title for a banner singing his praises to high heaven. We haven't had a coach worth giving a **** about in 15 years, so let's just start with the small stuff first.

 

[Gi0logy]

Miami fans are crappy because they would rather pay for a banner than pay for a seat

LOL, what??? That makes perfect sense. Let me reward the school/coaches for putting a crappy product on the field by giving them more money. Brilliant.

Isn't that the definition of bandwagon fan? A supporter of a team that only shows up when the team is good.

note: not calling you a bandwagon fan, just stating what you're describing is very similar to that.

Really??? Spending their money to fly a banner protesting the product on the field you consider a bandwagon fan with the record we have had the last 10 years? We haven't had bandwagon fans since 02/03.

Huh? Let me clarify, one guy said crappy Miami fans would rather pay for a banner than pay for a seat. You then said you wouldn't "reward the school/coaches for putting a crappy product on the field by giving them more money" aka you wouldn't buy a ticket to a game because the team sucks.

If I interpreted that wrong then my disregard this. But if you actually mean you'd only go to a Canes game if we were good then that's weak. Not saying you have to be pro-Golden. Fly the banner, ask for his head, do whatever you want. But don't not show up to a game cuz we suck.

 

[01rodric]

Mike can say what he wants even if he's wrong. The the rest of you self righteous dolts can DIAF. The facts are that in Corporate America: if you make millions of dollars and fail to perform, no one should feel bad when they call for your head; the banner, in no way shape or form, is a slight against the players--opposite; and the part the coaches play in the terrible outcomes are a far greater hinderance to recruiting, and the future, than any banner. Go back to sipping chambord and listening to WHoreland Alzugay or the Feast for your #canesJamon circle jerk.

Well, based on feedback from two different board members who have spent significant time with the team or is close to at least a few players, that's not the sentiment of the players. They don't appreciate the banners or the stupid, whiny negativity of the fans. They think very poorly of the fans, and they have every reason to given how pathetic this fan base has been acting. If you don't think that recruits get that same negative vibe about the Miami fanbase and that it doesn't impact some of their decisions, you're delusional.

My sources said the exact opposite--funny.

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

I'll give MJ a pass because he's too close to the situation to have any objectivity.

I guess he knows too much about the actual players, scheme and staff to give an unbiased opinion. ****, Golden might call his coach at Tampa and bench him if he was to say anything negative about the staff...

Maybe we should just listen to guys who have watched all the championship teams... they must know what it takes to build a championship team and the right schemes to use. Can you guys also volunteer to help out the players during the season since you are not busy playing in the NFL?

 

[The Franchise]

The people who supported the banner are no fans of the U. Either that or complete ****ing retards.

The banner has temporarily served its purpose. Should we lose next Saturday, expect the bannering to become furious and with a vengeance.

6-4(3-3) is screaming for a banner.

LOL @ anyone actually thinking Al Golden saw a banner and magically learned how to coach.

Whatever happened the past few weeks, and whatever happens the next few weeks, would have happened either way. It has nothing to do with the banner. The banner was an external manifestation of things people inside the program were already well aware of.

We'll see how much he "learned how to coach" on November 15th. People might be putting way too much stock in beating 3 really terrible teams.

 

[DHucks]

Mike can say what he wants even if he's wrong. The the rest of you self righteous dolts can DIAF. The facts are that in Corporate America: if you make millions of dollars and fail to perform, no one should feel bad when they call for your head; the banner, in no way shape or form, is a slight against the players--opposite; and the part the coaches play in the terrible outcomes are a far greater hinderance to recruiting, and the future, than any banner. Go back to sipping chambord and listening to WHoreland Alzugay or the Feast for your #canesJamon circle jerk.

Well, based on feedback from two different board members who have spent significant time with the team or is close to at least a few players, that's not the sentiment of the players. They don't appreciate the banners or the stupid, whiny negativity of the fans. They think very poorly of the fans, and they have every reason to given how pathetic this fan base has been acting. If you don't think that recruits get that same negative vibe about the Miami fanbase and that it doesn't impact some of their decisions, you're delusional.

My sources said the exact opposite--funny.

Go on...........

 

[pb5cane]

I'll give MJ a pass because he's too close to the situation to have any objectivity.

I guess he knows too much about the actual players, scheme and staff to give an unbiased opinion. ****, Golden might call his coach at Tampa and bench him if he was to say anything negative about the staff...

Maybe we should just listen to guys who have watched all the championship teams... they must know what it takes to build a championship team and the right schemes to use. Can you guys also volunteer to help out the players during the season since you are not busy playing in the NFL?

Can we listen to Sapp?

 

[The Franchise]

I guess he knows too much about the actual players, scheme and staff to give an unbiased opinion. ****, Golden might call his coach at Tampa and bench him if he was to say anything negative about the staff...

Maybe we should just listen to guys who have watched all the championship teams... they must know what it takes to build a championship team and the right schemes to use. Can you guys also volunteer to help out the players during the season since you are not busy playing in the NFL?

How about you motherfckers learn to watch with your own eyes and quit seeking validation from guys who probably don't even watch the games.

Some of you faqqots need to have a former college player tell you how to think and what opinion you should have. Gut up and get your own fcking opinions. Football isn't all that complicated.

 

[DCF in LA]

The people who supported the banner are no fans of the U. Either that or complete ****ing retards.

The banner has temporarily served its purpose. Should we lose next Saturday, expect the bannering to become furious and with a vengeance.

6-4(3-3) is screaming for a banner.

LOL @ anyone actually thinking Al Golden saw a banner and magically learned how to coach.

Whatever happened the past few weeks, and whatever happens the next few weeks, would have happened either way. It has nothing to do with the banner. The banner was an external manifestation of things people inside the program were already well aware of.

We'll see how much he "learned how to coach" on November 15th. People might be putting way too much stock in beating 3 really terrible teams.

Can't blame people for jumping on the first signs of a pulse during Golden's entire career. ****, I want the guy gone too, but I'll take it all back if he can show me that a team he coaches can beat a top-notch squad. And then he has to finish the season off and not **** it up with the Hoos and ****** Panthers.

Do all that, and I'll gladly back the guy.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Pretty sure a regular person wouldn't get to keep their jobs if they failed like Golden and the defense did for the first 3 1/2 years. And they get paid a lot of money to not ******* stink. Boo hoo.

Amen.

 

[blackvern]

He's young and dumb...........im hoping 10 years from now he wouldn't make a stupid response

 

[Cane Dynasty]

President of the US kept his...

Douche'

The correct spelling is Truth*.

I agree.

 

[Canezum5]

I really don't understand how its even possible for people to misconstrue the effect of the banner. No one is saying the banner taught Golden how to coach or that it even changed his defense as a whole.

But anyone who plays, knows, and watches with the slightest bit of knowledge can tell that the approach to the defense has changed, post banner.

For example, we may still be playing a bunch of zone inside of our multiple, 3-4, 4-3, hybrid defense. But it makes a huge difference to play that zone physical and near the line of scrimmage as opposed to soft and off the line of scrimmage.

The biggest difference in the defense outside of all of the intricate details is the mere fact that the players are closer to the line of scrimmage.

That alone allows for our players to play faster and more aggressive as you don't have to worry about the offender having a full head of steam before you make the tackle.

But i guess you have to have played the game to understand that simple fact.

I swear people act like football is rocket science. You can literally learn every technique and play style on the **** internet.

And i really dont have much to say about Mike James comment. i agree with the crowd who thinks he could have chosen a better way to express his support for Golden.

Because i donated to feed poor children and i donated to the banner. So what does he have to say now?

 

[hcanes100]

Mike can say what he wants even if he's wrong. The the rest of you self righteous dolts can DIAF. The facts are that in Corporate America: if you make millions of dollars and fail to perform, no one should feel bad when they call for your head; the banner, in no way shape or form, is a slight against the players--opposite; and the part the coaches play in the terrible outcomes are a far greater hinderance to recruiting, and the future, than any banner. Go back to sipping chambord and listening to WHoreland Alzugay or the Feast for your #canesJamon circle jerk.

Well, based on feedback from two different board members who have spent significant time with the team or is close to at least a few players, that's not the sentiment of the players. They don't appreciate the banners or the stupid, whiny negativity of the fans. They think very poorly of the fans, and they have every reason to given how pathetic this fan base has been acting. If you don't think that recruits get that same negative vibe about the Miami fanbase and that it doesn't impact some of their decisions, you're delusional.

Well, my response to that is former players are saying the opposite. And another thing is long before they were players, and long after they leave, it will be our asses up in the stands paying the salary of said coaches with our donations and season ticket which pays for their education, equipment on their back, food, and stipends; so the thought they don't like what we as fans feel and express doesn't sit well with some of the players, I honestly don't give a ****. I have earned the **** right to express my opinion about this team I have supported with money, blood, sweat, and tears longer than most of them have been alive, so them being on the team means **** to me if they don't like my opinion.

With that said, we never said a **** thing about them, it was never about them, and not all of them believe what crap you are shoveling. With that, have fun twisting this post.

 

[Rellyrell]

fight or flight....that's what pressure do for some. the banner, no matter how ridiculous it was, sparked Goldent to fight. all of the neg attention he was getting for having this talented team play below their capabilities came to a head w/ that banner. he turnt up and i hope he continues that way.

 

[luke137]

fight or flight....that's what pressure do for some. the banner, no matter how ridiculous it was, sparked Goldent to fight. all of the neg attention he was getting for having this talented team play below their capabilities came to a head w/ that banner. he turnt up and i hope he continues that way.

You're more forgiving then I am. Too little, too late Folden. At the end of the day, a dozen coaches could have figured out in one game what it took his remedial *** 3 1/2 years to figure out. Deuces!

 

[Rellyrell]

fight or flight....that's what pressure do for some. the banner, no matter how ridiculous it was, sparked Goldent to fight. all of the neg attention he was getting for having this talented team play below their capabilities came to a head w/ that banner. he turnt up and i hope he continues that way.

You're more forgiving then I am. Too little, too late Folden. At the end of the day, a dozen coaches could have figured out in one game what it took his remedial *** 3 1/2 years to figure out. Deuces!

i feel you...and that's why i'm extremely caustimistic (cautious and optomistic) right now. what we did to a high powered UNC O gave me a glimmer of hope for the season, BUT, a loss to FSU will put him right back in my dog house...and a losing to even November puts him right out of the porgram again imo.