Michael Wyche

[Jassid82]

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

If Wyche makes or breaks this defense then this defense is still broken.One decent 330 lb DT who might be able to play 30 snaps a game is not enough to take a weak defense and make it good.

Tim Jernigan says hello. That guy basically anchored that FSU D and the only time I saw him get REALLY tired was the end of the ship' game. He was gassed. But for the most part buddy played most of the snaps at DT/NG. So its possible. Now whther or not Wyche is even close to Jernigan remains to be seen. Im not counting him out though. This isnt some scrub who had one offer and that was from the Univ of Buffalo. USC wanted him BAD. Thats all I needed to see.

 

[LuCane]

u can and do redshirt jucos. but, this kid is coming in to play right now. we don't have the luxury of recruiting and redshirting juco dts.

Why not?

Because if he's as good as he's supposed to be, we need that on the field right away. Whatever may be gained from redshirting him a year may not be worth as much as Wyche serving as our primary or secondary NT. If we had other options, you could better consider it. If he's not good enough, then it's a problem either way.

 

[Bennubird]

Agreed Jassid82, and you're right we need Wyche to be a real difference maker not just another contributor. If he is dominant in the middle like a Jernigan or Glenn Dorsey then we will finally get to see what this scheme should look like at its optimum when all the pieces are in place. If Wyche is as advertised - commanding double and triple teams, then we would have ballers at every level of the defense. In fact, if he can truly demand double teams - in a perfect world - our other interior DL should look better. I'm going to hold out on quaffing the Kool-Aid until this Fall when we get word from Fall camp on how he looks during full-contact practices.

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

If Wyche makes or breaks this defense then this defense is still broken.One decent 330 lb DT who might be able to play 30 snaps a game is not enough to take a weak defense and make it good.

Tim Jernigan says hello. That guy basically anchored that FSU D and the only time I saw him get REALLY tired was the end of the ship' game. He was gassed. But for the most part buddy played most of the snaps at DT/NG. So its possible. Now whther or not Wyche is even close to Jernigan remains to be seen. Im not counting him out though. This isnt some scrub who had one offer and that was from the Univ of Buffalo. USC wanted him BAD. Thats all I needed to see.

 

[DMoney]

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

Which is a terrible position to be in. What I have learned from watching the SEC for a long time is these guys always come in out of shape. They usually come in during the spring and even then they dont start playing the well until mid season. Wyche not coming in until the summer is such a huge disadvantage

It is. Unfortunately for our defense, we don't play UF every week.

The team is starting to look like Miami in the back seven and with its speed rushers. The defensive ends are seniors with Pierre and Chickillo. Now it needs the anchor in the middle, and unfortunately we have to rely on two JUCO guys. Heurtelou looked pretty good in spring, but Wyche is the guy who appears to have the upside.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

Which is a terrible position to be in. What I have learned from watching the SEC for a long time is these guys always come in out of shape. They usually come in during the spring and even then they dont start playing the well until mid season. Wyche not coming in until the summer is such a huge disadvantage

It is. Unfortunately for our defense, we don't play UF every week.

The team is starting to look like Miami in the back seven and with its speed rushers. The defensive ends are seniors with Pierre and Chickillo. Now it needs the anchor in the middle, and unfortunately we have to rely on two JUCO guys. Heurtelou looked pretty good in spring, but Wyche is the guy who appears to have the upside.

I think those "speed rushers" need to get bigger if Dorito is going to play them as often as he has hinted. From my experience watching these JUCO's it will take a while to see that upside. I am betting Heurtelo plays more early. This hoping and praying he is Jernigan is absurd.

 

[Bennubird]

Why is it absurd to want your NT to be dominant like a Jernigan or like a Dorsey? What's absurd is that we still coddle your a$$ on this board.

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

Which is a terrible position to be in. What I have learned from watching the SEC for a long time is these guys always come in out of shape. They usually come in during the spring and even then they dont start playing the well until mid season. Wyche not coming in until the summer is such a huge disadvantage

It is. Unfortunately for our defense, we don't play UF every week.

The team is starting to look like Miami in the back seven and with its speed rushers. The defensive ends are seniors with Pierre and Chickillo. Now it needs the anchor in the middle, and unfortunately we have to rely on two JUCO guys. Heurtelou looked pretty good in spring, but Wyche is the guy who appears to have the upside.

I think those "speed rushers" need to get bigger if Dorito is going to play them as often as he has hinted. From my experience watching these JUCO's it will take a while to see that upside. I am betting Heurtelo plays more early. This hoping and praying he is Jernigan is absurd.

 

[TheMatador]

We can has pressure up the middle?

Huh?

 

[TheMatador]

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

If Wyche makes or breaks this defense then this defense is still broken.One decent 330 lb DT who might be able to play 30 snaps a game is not enough to take a weak defense and make it good.

Not sure that's true. I've often heard that controlling the center is a big part of having an effective defense. I can't explain it to you in terms of x's and o's, but I've heard it often enough. In the '88 Orange Bowl for the national championship, I know a primary objective of our defense was to control their center. I remember watching Derwin Jones, our biggest DT, punishing the Oklahoma center. I'm not sure, maybe keeping the center off the MLB was key to freeing our best tackler. I don't know if we had Jones head up on the center, or if he was playing shaded or in the gap.

We may be running a somewhat different defense when we have somebody like Wyche at NT, but if he can create a mess with the center and a guard right in the middle, it might be a real problem for offenses. It means other guys might not get blocked, especially a LB.

I'm not sure this guy will always play NT in a 3-4. I seem to recall a lot of four man fronts in the spring game. In fact, i think Chick was playing inside a good bit.

Somebody who knows X's and O's better than I do, please explain the importance of controlling the offensive center and why people often say, it all starts with the center (if it still does in today's game.)

 

[GhostofVenice01]

You blow up the center in the backfield, you blow up the play or you atleast force the RB to cut back and find something else, hopefully into a LB sealing his gap

 

[TheMatador]

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

Which is a terrible position to be in. What I have learned from watching the SEC for a long time is these guys always come in out of shape. They usually come in during the spring and even then they dont start playing the well until mid season. Wyche not coming in until the summer is such a huge disadvantage

It is. Unfortunately for our defense, we don't play UF every week.

The team is starting to look like Miami in the back seven and with its speed rushers. The defensive ends are seniors with Pierre and Chickillo. Now it needs the anchor in the middle, and unfortunately we have to rely on two JUCO guys. Heurtelou looked pretty good in spring, but Wyche is the guy who appears to have the upside.

One of the very best DTs ever in UM's history was a Juco, with 2 to play 2, and that was Cortez Kennedy. He was an overweight backup his junior year, he was a dominator his senior year (1989). We had the Tez and Russ Maryland, backed up by Jimmie Jones. We had Willis Peguese and Greg Mark at DE, backed by Shane Curry. It was an incredible defensive line one of the best in CFB history. The coach, Bob Karmelowicz, told me the LBs never got blocked. That shows you what stud interior DL play can do for your defense. It's not important necessarily that the DT makes a lot of tackles, it makes a difference that you control the OL and keep the LBs from getting blocked. That was one of the interesting things I learned when I went out for football in HS. I played on the DL and began to learn that my responsibility was much like the OLs when in pass protection; my job was to protect the LB from the OL, or at least one of my initial responsibilities.

Now that was a long time ago, and with different schemes, but I think there's some basic truth to that now. It doesn't mean it's the only responsibility but often it's a very important part of DL play.

Experts please elaborate or criticize what I'm saying.

 

[johnnytsunami01]

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

Which is a terrible position to be in. What I have learned from watching the SEC for a long time is these guys always come in out of shape. They usually come in during the spring and even then they dont start playing the well until mid season. Wyche not coming in until the summer is such a huge disadvantage

It is. Unfortunately for our defense, we don't play UF every week.

The team is starting to look like Miami in the back seven and with its speed rushers. The defensive ends are seniors with Pierre and Chickillo. Now it needs the anchor in the middle, and unfortunately we have to rely on two JUCO guys. Heurtelou looked pretty good in spring, but Wyche is the guy who appears to have the upside.

One of the very best DTs ever in UM's history was a Juco, with 2 to play 2, and that was Cortez Kennedy. He was an overweight backup his junior year, he was a dominator his senior year (1989). We had the Tez and Russ Maryland, backed up by Jimmie Jones. We had Willis Peguese and Greg Mark at DE, backed by Shane Curry. It was an incredible defensive line one of the best in CFB history. The coach, Bob Karmelowicz, told me the LBs never got blocked. That shows you what stud interior DL play can do for your defense. It's not important necessarily that the DT makes a lot of tackles, it makes a difference that you control the OL and keep the LBs from getting blocked. That was one of the interesting things I learned when I went out for football in HS. I played on the DL and began to learn that my responsibility was much like the OLs when in pass protection; my job was to protect the LB from the OL, or at least one of my initial responsibilities.

Now that was a long time ago, and with different schemes, but I think there's some basic truth to that now. It doesn't mean it's the only responsibility but often it's a very important part of DL play.

Experts please elaborate or criticize what I'm saying.

I have a PHD in defensive alignment and I must say I agree 100% with your assessment.

 

[cane305]

i just want to know if he's in or not.

 

[BigPoppaCane]

BUT CAN HE PLAY DT

 

[TheMatador]

BUT CAN HE PLAY DT

If he looks like that and can't.....

I don't ever want to hear his name again. I used to think that if I had size when I was in HS I would have been all county (that was a big deal then). I couldn't understand how guys who had much better size than I had didn't excel. I was a midget on the DL but we didn't have a lot of players, so I was on the team. I resented guys who had real good physical tools that didn't become good, really good.

If I had size like that I'd make myself a player. I wouldn't be denied. This guy's looks like a monster. I hope he plays like one.

No excuses....maybe injuries, but that's it.

 

[Tee_louwee_91]

For those of you talking about redshirting Michael Wyhce or about not needing a dominant DT I strongly urge you to watch this Tracy Howard vs FSU highlight reel but instead of watching Tracy watch #78 Renfrow get absolutely destroyed play after play. We need a Timmy Jernigan, Easley, Anthony Johnson type of talent in the worst way. Michael Wyche is the most important recruit for us in a long time. We need him to be elite.

http://youtu.be/HHQtX18zazc

 

[Cane01]

+1000% on Renfrow. I know Stork was an All-American this year but to never force a guard to help the center and to be flat out pancaked by just the center (multiple times) is inexcusable. The DT/NT is the tip of the sword for the defense. It has to be stout or the defense, regardless of scheme, won't work well at all.

 

[Paranos]

He is the X-factor of the team. It's crazy to say about someone who isn't even on campus, but he might make or break this defense.

Which is a terrible position to be in. What I have learned from watching the SEC for a long time is these guys always come in out of shape. They usually come in during the spring and even then they dont start playing the well until mid season. Wyche not coming in until the summer is such a huge disadvantage

It is. Unfortunately for our defense, we don't play UF every week.

The team is starting to look like Miami in the back seven and with its speed rushers. The defensive ends are seniors with Pierre and Chickillo. Now it needs the anchor in the middle, and unfortunately we have to rely on two JUCO guys. Heurtelou looked pretty good in spring, but Wyche is the guy who appears to have the upside.

One of the very best DTs ever in UM's history was a Juco, with 2 to play 2, and that was Cortez Kennedy. He was an overweight backup his junior year, he was a dominator his senior year (1989). We had the Tez and Russ Maryland, backed up by Jimmie Jones. We had Willis Peguese and Greg Mark at DE, backed by Shane Curry. It was an incredible defensive line one of the best in CFB history. The coach, Bob Karmelowicz, told me the LBs never got blocked. That shows you what stud interior DL play can do for your defense. It's not important necessarily that the DT makes a lot of tackles, it makes a difference that you control the OL and keep the LBs from getting blocked. That was one of the interesting things I learned when I went out for football in HS. I played on the DL and began to learn that my responsibility was much like the OLs when in pass protection; my job was to protect the LB from the OL, or at least one of my initial responsibilities.

Now that was a long time ago, and with different schemes, but I think there's some basic truth to that now. It doesn't mean it's the only responsibility but often it's a very important part of DL play.

Experts please elaborate or criticize what I'm saying.

Here is the 1988 UM vs ND game notice the play of Chris Zorich from ND I think he was the best NT to ever play the position. But notice how he is disruptive and yet can still drop into coverage as well.

[video=youtube_share;dpuxHr4slcs]http://youtu.be/dpuxHr4slcs[/video]

 

[MedleyCane]

Chris Zorich was "the best NT to ever play the position."?...really?

Oh boy.

 

[MedleyCane]

I don't get this obsession with redshirting seemingly everyone that signs with this program.
At least that is how it looks with some fellow Cane fans.

What's up with that?

If a player can get into the 2-deep this season, or close, then he needs to play ASAP.
I don't care if he's a JUCO transfer or a 17 year old freshmen.
LOL at the redhirting fixation.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I don't get this obsession with redshirting seemingly everyone that signs with this program.
At least that is how it looks with some fellow Cane fans.

What's up with that?

If a player can get into the 2-deep this season, or close, then he needs to play ASAP.
I don't care if he's a JUCO transfer or a 17 year old freshmen.
LOL at the redhirting fixation.

You failed your roster management class didn't you?