Miami's Decade of Darkness - 2006- 2015

[BeastMode]

I'll make the analysis easy for you-

Still not conference champions
Still not major bowl game champions/playing for titles
Still not closing on the highest rated/most heavily recruited players in our area

We are about to/alreadybaigned the best class on paper in the last 10 years. Don’t talk about the 2008 class is was all fake. Kids were overrated because they played for Miami Northwestern. This class is loaded. Not conference champs because Clemson is ahead of us. Plain and simple. They have won 10 games a year for like 8 years straight. We aren’t there yet. We are a year or two away. How can people not understand the ****hole of a program Miami was for so long? It’s doesnt change overnight!

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

At the core of this discussion is donna shalala. She is the one whose tenure perfectly coincided with the decline of UM football. Moreover, given what we've learned about her, how she ran the university, and what exactly she did to stifle the program, any Canes fan should have her on a list of people band from campus.

She also ran The Clinton Foundation which is now defunct. Rewarding people for incompetence is so 2018 look at Kirby Hocutt. Guy hires Al Golden and now is the Playoff Committee chair. You can’t make this stuff up even in the movies.

 

[dudenate]

We also suffer from a very romanticized history of our own success. We didn't really compete until the late 70's and never made it big until the 80's. Then we had a blitz of success: 4 national titles in 8 years and we played for a few more. We were brash and intoxicating. We were good in the early 90's and then down in the late 90's due to sanctions but it was temporary. Then a blaze of glory from '99 - '03 with the greatest team ever assembled... and then not much to speak of. Our fan base is inpatient because we never had to endure anything like this from the time we arrived on the scene with Schnelly. We also have a fan base that believes every Miami team ever blew opponents out and held teams to 100 yards of total offense while they won games 48-0 every Saturday. Sure we had that, but a lot of our biggest games and best seasons were close. Our blitz of success and an overly romanticized history contribute to the lack of reality sometimes. I'm just as guilty of it. It's hard to win in college football and we made a mockery of it for 20 years. Our fan base was raised on it.

Totally agree and right on. This should be required reading prior to anyone new coming to the board.

 

[whoopingcane]

I guess I can see a little light.

Only 16 Power 5 teams had 10 or more wins. 9 had 11+ (Canes would have been 10, assuming Ark St. win).

Canes will be picked by the majority to win Coastal next year, but not ACC. I see ending ranking around 15, same as pre-season.

They really need a big comeback year from Richards, Perry to win out over Rosier, and some serious off-season development on the lines to get to 10 wins though.

 

[DrStrange]

At the core of this discussion is donna shalala. She is the one whose tenure perfectly coincided with the decline of UM football. Moreover, given what we've learned about her, how she ran the university, and what exactly she did to stifle the program, any Canes fan should have her on a list of people band from campus.

This cannot be stated enough. Banners should be flying praising the fact she is gone. I wonder if a trumper would give Hillary Clinton credit for that.

 

[LPK2006]

It was more than 10 years. The minute they hired Larry Coker the decline began. Yeah, we won a title, but honestly, you or I could have coached that team to a title in 2001. Almost any coach in the country could have done it in 2002 as well.

Not true at all. It is very difficult, almost impossible to go undefeated (remember the miracle at Boston College-2001). In fact if Terry Porter does not rob us we go undefeated for two consecutive years. Coker could actually coach, he could not recruit.

The point is:Winning is very hard, going undefeated nearly impossible. Glad to see us trending upwards. The wilderness was bad, but I went to games (Orange Bowl) before we were the U. Now that was bad, we actually lost to FAMU.

Yeah, I liked Coker as an offensive coach. His offense was simple but very effective. Power run game to set up play action, TE featured prominently. I had no problem with his offense, he just couldn't keep us on an elite recruiting level.

The one year I disagreed greatly with his coaching style was 2003. We still had a good enough defense to make a run that year, but we kept trying to run that same Coker T offense as if we still had Dorsey and a great OL instead of Brock the gunslinger and an OL that was starting to weaken. If we had gone uptempo spread in 2003, that year might have looked different. We went to it more in 2004, and looked better, but by then the defense was starting to crack.

Anyway, I do think it was the recruiting slide under Coker that started this decade of mediocrity, not really his in-game coaching so much. To add insult, the highly touted recruits we did manage to get never panned out, most glaringly at QB.

 

[Allabouttheu95]

2005-Present. We are not out of the darkness yet

 

[LPK2006]

You all constantly want to harp on Shalala, but if my memory serves me, after 2000, didn't she actually want to hire Barry Alvarez? In retrospect, we might have been better off in the long term had she done so.

 

[thegrove]

There's something called the Blue Chip Index; it ranks teams by 4 &5 star recruitment and some other functions such as positions, needs, etc. They publish a top 10 which has been a fairly reliable list of which teams will compete for the NC. Some analysts are projecting the U could enter that list on the next signing date.

Think about that..., Richt has us on the cusp of this index in just two years. Recruits and their advisors will ne noticing this and if we execute...this should snowball. That's a big if, but we are at least aligned and positioned to just maybe BE BACK.


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[whoopingcane]

You all constantly want to harp on Shalala, but if my memory serves me, after 2000, didn't she actually want to hire Barry Alvarez? In retrospect, we might have been better off in the long term had she done so.

She should have focused all of her attention on renovating the Orange Bowl instead of letting it fall apart. Instead she focused 100% on U Health which is an unmitigated disaster.

 

[BoxingRobes]

The recipe is for success is not difficult.

If you're going to allocate money...it should be on assistants and a support staff.

When you recruit...Interior DL and front seven take priority in numbers and quality over everything else.

Scheme doesn't matter...philosophy does. Run the football in volume and limit the pass on defense. A top DL does most of the latter.

We did none of the above since Butch left. It should be no shock that we've sucked.

 

[Dwinstitles]

It was more than 10 years. The minute they hired Larry Coker the decline began. Yeah, we won a title, but honestly, you or I could have coached that team to a title in 2001. Almost any coach in the country could have done it in 2002 as well.

When Saban leaves whoever coaches bama can get into the title game just based off the roster he will leavethere.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

If you listen on the 30 for 30 show Davenport said the staff and Coker did nothing that the players ran the practices not the coaches.

That is a about as loud of a ringing endorsement for Coker I ever heard!

 

[SFbayCane]

You all constantly want to harp on Shalala, but if my memory serves me, after 2000, didn't she actually want to hire Barry Alvarez? In retrospect, we might have been better off in the long term had she done so.

That example proves our point.

He wanted no part of it. Moreover, if he had come here, she would have put the same restrictions on him that she did to Golden and others.. "recruit nationally, not locally."


Alvarez would have failed at UM under donna the same way all of the others did.

 

[gruntking]

At the core of this discussion is donna shalala. She is the one whose tenure perfectly coincided with the decline of UM football. Moreover, given what we've learned about her, how she ran the university, and what exactly she did to stifle the program, any Canes fan should have her on a list of people band from campus.

Absolutely, her pet project was bolstering UHealth and fundraising. Under B. Clinton she was the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and at UM during her tenure (2001-2015) that's all she focused on... Good riddance!

 

[gruntking]

At the core of this discussion is donna shalala. She is the one whose tenure perfectly coincided with the decline of UM football. Moreover, given what we've learned about her, how she ran the university, and what exactly she did to stifle the program, any Canes fan should have her on a list of people band from campus.

This cannot be stated enough. Banners should be flying praising the fact she is gone. I wonder if a trumper would give Hillary Clinton credit for that.

Yes Chelsea Clinton was instrumental in persuading her to leave and head the Clinton Foundation... one good Clinton move! Thanks

 

[mackjones]

It was more than 10 years. The minute they hired Larry Coker the decline began. Yeah, we won a title, but honestly, you or I could have coached that team to a title in 2001. Almost any coach in the country could have done it in 2002 as well.

hUh! The kid above is absolutely correct.:thumbsup_kid: Because it was a decade long doldrums of Cane football! And don't you ever forget that!:11263364213_e8bdef3

 

[mackjones]

Look at Coker’s recruiting class that 1 year where he had Willie Williams and Kyle Wright. You listen to the experts Willie was Derrick Thomas in the making and Kyle was Carson Wentz.

I think Coker was a bad coach and Dan Werner was probably the worst OC I had ever seen. I said my peace on Randy Shannon the Guy was clueless as a DC.

Everytime you listen to the players about who should be coach big mistake. Players wanted Gary Stevens over Dennis Erickson but Sam Jankovich was bright enough to make the best hire without emotion.

Paul Dee listened to the players with Coker and result is what happened. Then he listened to them again with Randy and the rest is history.

I gave U a thumbs down. For instance, say what U want about Mr. Onion Head, but in reality he was a FOURTH OPTION hire and all that. And he wasn't READY to be a head coach at a ' power 5 ' program. Even his own alma mater. In other words, both the former university President and AD were the BLAME for that head coaching hire following the 2006 season.

 

[mackjones]

We also suffer from a very romanticized history of our own success. We didn't really compete until the late 70's and never made it big until the 80's. Then we had a blitz of success: 4 national titles in 8 years and we played for a few more. We were brash and intoxicating. We were good in the early 90's and then down in the late 90's due to sanctions but it was temporary. Then a blaze of glory from '99 - '03 with the greatest team ever assembled... and then not much to speak of. Our fan base is inpatient because we never had to endure anything like this from the time we arrived on the scene with Schnelly. We also have a fan base that believes every Miami team ever blew opponents out and held teams to 100 yards of total offense while they won games 48-0 every Saturday. Sure we had that, but a lot of our biggest games and best seasons were close. Our blitz of success and an overly romanticized history contribute to the lack of reality sometimes. I'm just as guilty of it. It's hard to win in college football and we made a mockery of it for 20 years. Our fan base was raised on it.

It's called ENTITLEMENT and being SPOILED of the Cane fandom degree. hUh.

 

[Hegemon]

The Troll sucked.

Glad she is gone.