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The difference is those players are leaving as 1st rounders, our players are leaving to just get drafted late or not drafted at all.. that's our problem. It hurts them and the school.. no one is telling first round locks to return to school, I don't see any of our players getting 1st round grades if u have post them please..
You are proving his point, ain't no malik hookers out there! We got decent players who think they can jump after a good game or 2.. it's a bad culture to have to leave in late rounds, NFL is more likely to cut u if they invest late round pick
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My general rule is if you’re a 1/2 rounder, go get that money and ball out.
If you’re a 3/4 rounder, you should come back unless there is a family situation or desperate financial situation (which I’m sure there are “resources” to help these kids)
If you’re a 5/6/7 rounder, get your *** back here.
The only one that has any business thinking of leaving is RJ. Even him, another year of Kool and another year of good film will put him into mid first round territory.
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If you’re a 3/4 rounder, you should come back unless there is a family situation or desperate financial situation (which I’m sure there are “resources” to help these kids)
If you’re a 5/6/7 rounder, get your *** back here.
The only one that has any business thinking of leaving is RJ. Even him, another year of Kool and another year of good film will put him into mid first round territory.
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Then get to the league and dissappear
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This is another reason why freshmen should get as much playing time as possible. The rule is they can leave three years after their high school graduation. If they redshirt they still leave after three. May as well make use of their full three years of eligibility.
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I think MJ had a great year and I don't have any reason to think that he is anything otherwise than a good kid. Some people on here though saying we will never be back if guys keep leaving are going to be really sad after we have a few top 5-10 classes and it continues to happen. For whatever reason kids don't stay in college 4 years. There are outliers sure.
I agree with the people saying we don't have depth but more importantly we don't have QUALITY depth where we all can stop freaking out about a kid that no one, myself included, saw playing to this level this year. I pose the question, if we had depth like the playoff teams had would anyone bat an eye at him declaring early? Do you think he would have even started? Its funny that people keep saying 6-7th round or UFA for MJ but they want him back and say he's dumb.
We won't be back until we get QUALITY depth at positions and guys like MJ, who I think played really well this year, aren't relied on as a "make or break" program player. People need to get over the Shannon, Coker, and Golden type teams/players, that **** is done.
I agree with the people saying we don't have depth but more importantly we don't have QUALITY depth where we all can stop freaking out about a kid that no one, myself included, saw playing to this level this year. I pose the question, if we had depth like the playoff teams had would anyone bat an eye at him declaring early? Do you think he would have even started? Its funny that people keep saying 6-7th round or UFA for MJ but they want him back and say he's dumb.
We won't be back until we get QUALITY depth at positions and guys like MJ, who I think played really well this year, aren't relied on as a "make or break" program player. People need to get over the Shannon, Coker, and Golden type teams/players, that **** is done.
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Guys are comparing finished products like bama and Clemson. That players are leaving to be 1st day picks. To a program that's players are trying to leave to maybe be 4th rd picks.
We need our best players even if they're only 4th rd at best at this point to comeback. Until the talent below them come of age.
We need our best players even if they're only 4th rd at best at this point to comeback. Until the talent below them come of age.
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Another potential issue is that our coaches were on the road recruiting the day after the Clemson game while our players are back home getting all in their feelings. Perhaps the time to advise our underclassmen who are considering turning pro is immediately after the end of the regular season. All of this news about kids staying and leaving...who knows if they've even discussed things with their co-ordinators and position coaches bro.
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He had a very good year, one worthy of an at worst 4th round draft status. He will test well, not great, and that would be enough.
The idea that he has little film to look at is also a false narrative. He shut his side of the field down. Scouts dont just look at highlights and that's where fans get confused. He has every attribute you look for in a shutdown corner and that's why teams looked to attack everywhere but where he was.
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If your JR year in college is your best season you are ever going to have, and/or if you are afraid of some freshman coming in to take your job then you better just stick around and get your degree. Definitely don't leave early to be a 5, 6, 7 or undrafted player. You will then not be in the league and you will also not have a degree. You just took your future, poor gas on it, lit it, did a dance around it, then threw it in the toilet.
The people who think these are good ideas are people who would encourage someone who is thinking of telling off their boss, quit, and buy a lottery ticket.
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His stock is not hot. Latest on him from NFL draft analysis is late 5th to undrafted. He is taking a huge gamble if he declares.
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Miami is not more predisposed to having more mid rounders or UDFAs leave early than other programs.
Show me data that says differently.
The ONLY thing holding us back from being elite is having multiple consecutive top rated classes that get developed, like the Alabaga and OSUs of the world. But that sure looks like it’s happening now. The combination of last year’s class, this year’s class, and the 2019 class is what makes programs elite.
It’s as simple as that. Don’t complicate it with made-up bullshlt problems like a bunch of hand wringing emotional teenage girls.
Sign top classes, develop them, and you absorb players that leave early easily.
It’s not rocket science ladies.
Show me data that says differently.
The ONLY thing holding us back from being elite is having multiple consecutive top rated classes that get developed, like the Alabaga and OSUs of the world. But that sure looks like it’s happening now. The combination of last year’s class, this year’s class, and the 2019 class is what makes programs elite.
It’s as simple as that. Don’t complicate it with made-up bullshlt problems like a bunch of hand wringing emotional teenage girls.
Sign top classes, develop them, and you absorb players that leave early easily.
It’s not rocket science ladies.
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Here's the poster child for all these guys that think they need to leave early...just so they can fight to get on an NFL practice squad as an undrafted free agent.
I don't get you guys saying, "Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson have guys leaving early all the time. Doesn't seem to bother them."
Of course it doesn't bother them. They have something Miami doesn't have--DEPTH.
Michael Jackson leaving early would be a blip on the radar screen if Miami had talented depth. If that were the case, you wouldn't even notice he was gone. But that's not the case. Not yet.
So quit talking about how Bama and these other programs do it. It doesn't apply to this situation at all.
I don't get you guys saying, "Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson have guys leaving early all the time. Doesn't seem to bother them."
Of course it doesn't bother them. They have something Miami doesn't have--DEPTH.
Michael Jackson leaving early would be a blip on the radar screen if Miami had talented depth. If that were the case, you wouldn't even notice he was gone. But that's not the case. Not yet.
So quit talking about how Bama and these other programs do it. It doesn't apply to this situation at all.
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If you’re referring to my post, you’re reading comprehension is sorely lacking.
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I agree. That was the point.
Coker couldn't recruit (and develop and lead) the right guys. Butch could. He would've kept the train rolling.
Coker couldn't recruit (and develop and lead) the right guys. Butch could. He would've kept the train rolling.
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Pretty sure OCCC's previous post hit the nail on the head. The reason why it doesn't impact programs like Bama or Clemson or OSU as much is because they've had class after class of top ranked talent infused into the program for years. As Richt and company continue to stockpile top recruiting classes, it'll matter less and less to Miami. If you want to sit there and say "every player needs to stay for four years because our depth isn't quite there yet" you're being ridiculous and unrealistic. Every team that has top level players has players leave early. The way you combat that is by filling their spots with quality incoming players, not just hoping players don't leave.