Miami/uf setting up like the ND game...

I took it as he said it "matters" meaning with regard to the line moving. And while I agree, he used it to justify the opening line whereas it's really the closing line. Obviously it's whatever price you get down at that matters whether you cash or not. I think we were referring to different things.

We are, mostly because I had no idea what we were referring to from the start.

As an investor, I don't gamble. Also as an investor, I really like us at +8.5. We may very well hold them to seven points total. I wonder how much the line moves when the decision comes down on Martell's eligibility.
 
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The way manny is acting he fcukin better win. He’s gonna look like a total *** if he can’t beat FSU after the stunt he just pulled 😳
 
We are, mostly because I had no idea what we were referring to from the start.

As an investor, I don't gamble. Also as an investor, I really like us at +8.5. We may very well hold them to seven points total. I wonder how much the line moves when the decision comes down on Martell's eligibility.
The fact it's +8.5 now tells me not to expect Martell to be eligible. Because I think it's noticeably off if he can play. If he's ruled eligible I'd expect it to drop to maybe 6.5 or 7 soon after.
 
If we are +8.5 I will be posting my ticket with a 5 figure wager on us. Even if Richt was still here 8.5 would be insane in this game.
 
The fact it's +8.5 now tells me not to expect Martell to be eligible. Because I think it's noticeably off if he can play. If he's ruled eligible I'd expect it to drop to maybe 6.5 or 7 soon after.

I mean, all you need to know is NCAA's history with Miami to not expect Martell to be eligibile. I honestly don't think it's that so much as discounting unknown risk.
 
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In the last 15 years, UM historically hasn’t done well in these games. ND and Florida are apples and oranges. The majority of the fans will be in their favor. Also, I don’t think we were +8.5 vs. ND.

Notre Dame was primarily -3.5 although some spots were using -4.

Also, I seem to remember we were at home, during a night game, one week after receiving a surge of energy and confidence after dispatching Virginia Tech. I have no idea how that can be compared to a season opener on a road-neutral site.

I'm not big on overboard confidence against the top SEC programs. They simply have too many players and too much defense. Maybe it will work out this time but the offseason hoopla can take a big jolt once upon reality of the opponent's roster. I have fresh memories of Florida dominating Michigan in the second half, parallel to the Canes getting shoved around by Wisconsin.
 
No, it's the closing line that matters. That tells you how the sharps moved the number. Obviously not all lines are created equal and you really should only pay attention to lines from certain casinos or offshore sites (e.g. Pinnacle, Bookmaker, South Point, The Greek, Heritage, etc). Those places don't move numbers on air, so if the line moved at those outs, you know they got hit with a bet from one of the "respect" accounts.

I would rather see us go from +8.5 to close +6.5 versus Florida than open +4.5 and close +5.5.

Good call. The late move is the one I pay most attention to. I've always hated it when I think I have a bargain, and all the early betting trends are in my favor, and then the sharp guys come in very late in the opposite direction. Deflating. More often than not they will be correct.

The subtle late moves of a half point or one point are much more instructive than a late avalanche. The avalanche means the public is involved, and it's some type of overreaction to a new variable.

My friend Mark from USC had a great angle that he applied to college football and basketball. This was long before the internet, and ability to check lines at all hours of every day. He would get the Los Angeles Herald Examiner and chart the lines on every game. He would pay most attention to the ones that hadn't moved all week, and especially in the smaller conferences. Then he'd get the final edition on Saturday as close to kickoff as possible. Any game that hadn't moved all week, then suddenly had a late subtle move of a point or half a point, he would play that team. It was a very successful grind angle. He wasn't betting huge amounts but got cut off by a couple of bookmakers in Los Angeles because he was winning consistently and otherwise not giving them anything they look for, like bettors who go on tilt and double up after a string of defeats, often wagering on sports they normally avoid. Mark was methodical and not making any decisions at all. I really understood the value of that, once I moved to Las Vegas.

Anyway, these offseason early numbers are a different category than week to week during the season. Technically the opening line is Florida -8.5 but it's like a futures bet since so much time and so many variables can intervene. Many of the sources of the historic opening line will not use this -8.5 as the opening number. They will wait until Sunday/Monday prior to game day and list that number as the opener. I know The Gold Sheet does it that way, or at least they did when I had an email exchange a few years ago.
 
Good call. The late move is the one I pay most attention to. I've always hated it when I think I have a bargain, and all the early betting trends are in my favor, and then the sharp guys come in very late in the opposite direction. Deflating. More often than not they will be correct.

The subtle late moves of a half point or one point are much more instructive than a late avalanche. The avalanche means the public is involved, and it's some type of overreaction to a new variable.

My friend Mark from USC had a great angle that he applied to college football and basketball. This was long before the internet, and ability to check lines at all hours of every day. He would get the Los Angeles Herald Examiner and chart the lines on every game. He would pay most attention to the ones that hadn't moved all week, and especially in the smaller conferences. Then he'd get the final edition on Saturday as close to kickoff as possible. Any game that hadn't moved all week, then suddenly had a late subtle move of a point or half a point, he would play that team. It was a very successful grind angle. He wasn't betting huge amounts but got cut off by a couple of bookmakers in Los Angeles because he was winning consistently and otherwise not giving them anything they look for, like bettors who go on tilt and double up after a string of defeats, often wagering on sports they normally avoid. Mark was methodical and not making any decisions at all. I really understood the value of that, once I moved to Las Vegas.

Anyway, these offseason early numbers are a different category than week to week during the season. Technically the opening line is Florida -8.5 but it's like a futures bet since so much time and so many variables can intervene. Many of the sources of the historic opening line will not use this -8.5 as the opening number. They will wait until Sunday/Monday prior to game day and list that number as the opener. I know The Gold Sheet does it that way, or at least they did when I had an email exchange a few years ago.
Yeah, Miami +8.5 should definitely not be considered the true opener. This will be one of the Golden Nugget's Games of the Year, so we'll see their line come out in late May. But I would consider the line available the weekend before kickoff to be the true opener. I pay strict attention to the lines, but mainly scanning for linear action on a line. Then check if it's a bookmaker injury adjustment or anything other than sharp action. I find myself betting closer and closer to kickoff than I used to, waiting to see what I know isn't a fake move for the closing line.
 
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I hate the gator and beating them is Heavenly expierence every single time. That said, Miami v UF is nothing compared to Miami V ND. Miami and ND are not just bitter rivals, they are the two most recognized bands in college football worldwide and two of the most recognized brands over any sort period. The gators are local slime that is not even a pimple on the *** of a elaphant. Catholics vs Convicts transcends football.

Together with USC, we make up the elite private universities that have ruled college football at various times. Strip away state support and see who else could complete with us. Miami V UF is of interest; Miami v ND is the meaning of interest.
 
From 2017. Going to be big underdogs, disrespected. Manny will have these guys like rabid animals coming out for the game. The attacking pressure he’s gonna put on their offense and turnovers he’ll create will have us celebrating often and early in the stands.

UM historically does well in these games and manny will play it up as well as anyone...
yes my friend, im with U on that one. We will be ready and win this one on a National stage. Pay back is a *****.
 
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