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Miami safety Zaquan Patterson Plans To Enter Transfer Portal

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No_Fly_Zone said:
Before we move onto my second paragraph, do you now understand the first? Do you now realize I was drawing attention to the inconsistent application of an ROI analysis on player retention decisions and not HC decisions?

Don't answer. It was rhetorical. Based on your post, you still don't get it. If you did, you wouldn't raise the questions you just did.

Speaking of which, I never responded to your question because it was so absurdly irrelevant to the point I was making. Your question was boring and embarassingly defensive. Mario's results on the field have been underwhelming. This is not reasonably debatable by any rational, unbiased person. This is especially true when compared to the unprecedented resources the school has given him. From the perspective of winning, it's been a sub-par ROI. At least as bad as Ny Carr and Zay Patterson's ROI.

Though looking back at my post, I was wrong about something. I gave Mario's total wins at UM per only a single year's salary. Mario's actually made ~$1.09M per UM win, and Manny made ~$571K per win at UM. My bad on that. I can readily admit when I'm wrong about something.
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So Return on Investment, We invest $8M on Mario. Other Programs invest more on their coach. We performed better than most programs last year, but ended up finishing about inline with his pay. We are expected to perform better this year, and above his expected pay output relative to every other coach making similar. You're saying the program is investing in like NIL more than others. Okay well are we even top 10 in NIL spending? Combine NIL investments with Coaching pay. Where do we stack up? If we at best are like fringe top10 in NIL spend, and Just barely top20 in Coach spend, what does that average out to? Total investment inside or outside the top 12? I'm going to guess outside. We were a fringe Playoff team last season. Was the return on investment met? We hope to actually make the playoffs this year. is the return met then if we do?
 
Calinative said:
So Return on Investment, We invest $8M on Mario. Other Programs invest more on their coach. We performed better than most programs last year, but ended up finishing about inline with his pay. We are expected to perform better this year, and above his expected pay output relative to every other coach making similar. You're saying the program is investing in like NIL more than others. Okay well are we even top 10 in NIL spending? Combine NIL investments with Coaching pay. Where do we stack up? If we at best are like fringe top10 in NIL spend, and Just barely top20 in Coach spend, what does that average out to? Total investment inside or outside the top 12? I'm going to guess outside. We were a fringe Playoff team last season. Was the return on investment met? We hope to actually make the playoffs this year. is the return met then if we do?
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So every coach in the playoffs made more than Mario? Is this where your defense is leading you? Or is it ok to underachieve because coaches paid more are also underachieving? Let's see how you contort yourself to explain.
 
cway313 said:
So every coach in the playoffs made more than Mario? Is this where your defense is leading you? Or is it ok to underachieve because coaches paid more are also underachieving? Let's see how you contort yourself to explain.
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What I'm actually saying is don't use the dumbass argument that we aren't getting what we're paying for lol. Because everyone that keeps acting like we have a blank check and are spending an arm and a leg don't seem to realize that blanck check is trumped by 17 other programs with a bigger check, all competing with us for 11 spots in the CFP. Relatively we ARE NOT spending more than all the top programs overall lol. It's like some of yall are the people that still go crazy when an NFL Qb makes $40M... $40M today aint what it was 3 years ago. Mario making $8M is not a large amount lol.

See I'm not arguing that Mario is Exceeding expectations. I'm arguing we spent $X, he started off bad, and has since delivered X, and we hope he delivers X++ this year.... The trend is a good one.
 
Calinative said:
What I'm actually saying is don't use the dumbass argument that we aren't getting what we're paying for lol. Because everyone that keeps acting like we have a blank check and are spending an arm and a leg don't seem to realize that blanck check is trumped by 17 other programs with a bigger check, all competing with us for 11 spots in the CFP. Relatively we ARE NOT spending more than all the top programs overall lol. It's like some of yall are the people that still go crazy when an NFL Qb makes $40M... $40M today aint what it was 3 years ago. Mario making $8M is not a large amount lol.

See I'm not arguing that Mario is Exceeding expectations. I'm arguing we spent $X, he started off bad, and has since delivered X, and we hope he delivers X++ this year.... The trend is a good one.
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Lol.
 
Calinative said:
So Return on Investment, We invest $8M on Mario. Other Programs invest more on their coach. We performed better than most programs last year, but ended up finishing about inline with his pay. We are expected to perform better this year, and above his expected pay output relative to every other coach making similar. You're saying the program is investing in like NIL more than others. Okay well are we even top 10 in NIL spending? Combine NIL investments with Coaching pay. Where do we stack up? If we at best are like fringe top10 in NIL spend, and Just barely top20 in Coach spend, what does that average out to? Total investment inside or outside the top 12? I'm going to guess outside. We were a fringe Playoff team last season. Was the return on investment met? We hope to actually make the playoffs this year. is the return met then if we do?
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You are either too dumb to understand the point being made, or you are being purposefully obtuse in your Mario-slurping death spiral.

Either way, I see no point in continuing this conversation with you. Have a great night.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
You are either too dumb to understand the point being made, or you are being purposefully obtuse in your Mario-slurping death spiral.

Either way, I see no point in continuing this conversation with you. Have a great night.
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youre saying it's hypocrisy and a double standard. It implies everyone is criticizing the players while ignoring the coaching ROI element. Oh wait my bad only "certain people" which could apply to anyone. I mean idk who you specifically are saying this about but thats not my main point

First in general it's mostly wrong because people criticize Mario and how he doesn't deliver literally all the time on here. And regarding his pay I have repeatedly pointed out the actual facts regarding Marios pay every time it's brought up and how it stacks up relative to all our peers. And there is a reason you fully ignored it like everyone else does lol. It's far easier to claim people don't judge the coach on an ROI basis when there is a fundamental flaw in the perception of how much Mario is making and how much is being invested for our results.
 
Calinative said:
So Return on Investment, We invest $8M on Mario. Other Programs invest more on their coach. We performed better than most programs last year, but ended up finishing about inline with his pay. We are expected to perform better this year, and above his expected pay output relative to every other coach making similar. You're saying the program is investing in like NIL more than others. Okay well are we even top 10 in NIL spending? Combine NIL investments with Coaching pay. Where do we stack up? If we at best are like fringe top10 in NIL spend, and Just barely top20 in Coach spend, what does that average out to? Total investment inside or outside the top 12? I'm going to guess outside. We were a fringe Playoff team last season. Was the return on investment met? We hope to actually make the playoffs this year. is the return met then if we do?
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According to D$ we were Top 5 in NIL spend last year.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
Wanting a top 100 TF S to start in a defense that asks a lot of its safeties, then dismissing his transfer as no big deal 5 months later after a DC change and an unimpressive spring w/ purported (non-legal) off-field issues. This is not intended as a shot at you (and God knows Patterson had issues on the field last year), but moreso a check on our patience/expectations as a fanbase.

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DMoney said:
My guess is Meesh Powell plays more nickel and Patterson plays more safety.
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Let’s hope. Powell does not look like a Safety to me.
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When the results are so bad, you hope they try the next guy. It does not mean the next guy is any good.
 
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