Miami safety Zaquan Patterson Plans To Enter Transfer Portal

[No_Fly_Zone]

Not a huge loss. Doubt he would have played much. Good luck to him

Wanting a top 100 TF S to start in a defense that asks a lot of its safeties, then dismissing his transfer as no big deal 5 months later after a DC change and an unimpressive spring w/ purported (non-legal) off-field issues. This is not intended as a shot at you (and God knows Patterson had issues on the field last year), but moreso a check on our patience/expectations as a fanbase.

3

Post in thread 'Some thoughts on the Duke game after rewatch'

Nov 3, 2024

My guess is Meesh Powell plays more nickel and Patterson plays more safety.

Let’s hope. Powell does not look like a Safety to me.

• 3FW

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

They do look into stuff like that. You don't pass-up on elite athletes in your backyard though. Even if there are some concerns, you hope that the added structure and more detailed coaching will help him adapt. Also, high school coaches ain't always honest with college recruiters. They sell their kids. (not saying that's what happened here though)

This is not a missed eval by the staff.
Patterson was a take for almost every coach in the country, including coaches who produce NFL DB's every year. This is exactly why it's important to stack elite talent, because some will pan-out and some will fold under the demands of college football. Happens everywhere.

Would you have passed up on James Williams?
Cause he had the same exact issues.

I am cool with the bolded as a legit excuse for kids outside South Florida. I'm less receptive to it with kids in our backyard. If there are issues between the ears or with maturity, the home team's staff should know about them.

To me it's less a question of "pass" on him out of HS (because of course you can't do that), versus place him in a position to succeed in college and make sure you do everything to acclimate him based on your additional knowledge of who the recruit is and what he needs to succeed. I know that you know this, but true teaching/coaching is all about putting kids in the best position to be successful. I think it's fair to question whether that happened when top 100 TF are departing in the spring portal (and especially when their DC/position coach just got told to hit the road).

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Just get him in two years when he’s ready to contribute . Our new db coaches new meaning non bias who is able to recruit top talent was looking in the portal for another safety because he’s not ready . He can’t cover a wr we seen that last year . Hes in the box safety and too small for that right now .

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Oh great, we’re arguing over who’s the taller midget again.

Mario should never be in the same conversation as manny, and yet we’re here because he’s continuously underwhelmed each season with infinitely more resources.

Make the ******* postseason in Y4 or get out.

Again, I want to take this moment to point out the position of certain people on this board who are apparently cool having a cost/benefit discussion when in regards to a player (in this case, a teenage safety who has played exactly 1 year of college football), but have no issue claiming the salary of our HC shouldn't factor into the equation of his expectations or is otherwise irrelevant to the program's success.

Manny was a rookie HC and mostly sucked. He should have never been hired. He was 21-15 through 3 seasons at Miami and that is unacceptable. UM paid him $4MM per year. That's about $190K per win.
Mario was not a rookie HC and has been underwhelming. He's 22-16 through 3 seasons. UM pays him $8MM per year. That's about $360K per win.

 

[TRick72]

Manny inherited 1/2 team that he coached and recruited for 4 years

His side of the ball regressed every single year he was HC here. He couldn’t even hire a DC his last season

Mario has his issues but to compare the 2 situations is disingenuous in TrumpyCanes opinion

You my dawg (stuffed bear) and I’m a Mario guy but this is disingenuous.

First off, NO ONE was more critical of the Manny hire than me. From the moment the rumors started that he was going to be hired to the moment he was fired. He sucked then and he sucks now. There’s no disputing that.

Yes Manny inherited a team that he had coached but that was a team whose HC had to put a $1 million of his own money to get the IPF built.

Meanwhile, Mario has been provided with every single resource his little heart desires. More so than any other HC in our history. From $ for his assistants and analysts, $ for S&C to the NIL $ for player acquisition. **** they’re even expanding the IPF for him without a single penny coming out of his pocket.

That 10 win season Mario had last season everyone wants to pound their chest about? Manny accomplished practically the same thing in 2020 if you add back the FCS and G5 games to that schedule.

The difference is that Mario needed a Top 5 NIL roster (D$’s words not mine) to get the #1 pick in the draft at QB, an NFL RB and an entire NFL offensive line (some of them 1st rounders I’m told) along with other high price acquisitions along the defensive side of the ball. Speaking of inheriting players the overwhelming majority of the receiving yards were from NFL players Mario inherited from Manny.

Meanwhile Manny had a bunch of Umpa Loompas on the OL, Cam Harris at RB, Harley, Wiggins and Pope at WR and while I loved King, he’s clearly no Cam Ward. The only spots were Manny had equivalent players was at TE (Brevin +Will) and DE with Phillips and Roche.

I would argue Manny overachieved that season while Mario has underachieved every single season he’s been here, period. You may disagree with but the results on the field have been the same but at a significantly worse ROI.

 

[TRick72]

And they were all better than Manny’s last season

So what’s that say about Manny?

TrumpyCane would love to hear your rebuttal

And don’t worry TrumpyCane already checked the stats with Guidry last year in both ACC play and full schedule


Spoiler

Guidry still had better defensive numbers

It says he’s outperformed Mario

 

[nycane]

Actually...
Manny would keep kids on the team who had issues with work-ethic, drugs and discipline. He let them get away with murder. Mario sends them packing.

manny hated to recruit and was afraid kids would leave so he let them run the show

 

[Calinative]

Again, I want to take this moment to point out the position of certain people on this board who are apparently cool having a cost/benefit discussion when in regards to a player (in this case, a teenage safety who has played exactly 1 year of college football), but have no issue claiming the salary of our HC shouldn't factor into the equation of his expectations or is otherwise irrelevant to the program's success.

Manny was a rookie HC and mostly sucked. He should have never been hired. He was 21-15 through 3 seasons at Miami and that is unacceptable. UM paid him $4MM per year. That's about $190K per win.
Mario was not a rookie HC and has been underwhelming. He's 22-16 through 3 seasons. UM pays him $8MM per year. That's about $360K per win.

Every time this type of argument comes up I have to laugh.

How many teams make the playoffs?
Where does Mario Cristobal rank in terms of Coaches salary?

I guess your expectation will no longer be for Mario to make the playoffs, right?

Also between Mario and Manny, what is the trendline?

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Every time this type of argument comes up I have to laugh.

How many teams make the playoffs?
Where does Mario Cristobal rank in terms of Coaches salary?

I guess your expectation will no longer be for Mario to make the playoffs, right?

Also between Mario and Manny, what is the trendline?

Every time a coach apologist misses the actual point being argued to white knight for the coach, I laugh.

 

[flagator86]

 

[One9]

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Saw ZQ play a ton while he was in high school and I was never a huge fan. His skill set is suited to be closer to the line of scrimmage, but his frame belongs in centerfield. In a perfect world he could put on serious weight and switch to linebacker.....but I don't think the kid's frame can hold that kinda weight.

He was improperly rated coming out of HS. I said it then and I'll say it now.

 

[Calinative]

Every time a coach apologist misses the actual point being argued to white knight for the coach, I laugh.

You LITERALLY were trying to use cost/benefit to determine if Mario has been good or bad and compared it to Manny. I literally addressed the point directly by saying look at the trendline. Then I also said to take that comparison nationally. What is Mario paid? What did we finish ranked last year? What are expectations for the team this year?

 

[Ghandi]

Oh man, is Miami going to trade Safeties with UF and end up with the better part of the deal!?

 

[305 MOUNTAIN MAN]

Well let’s see if ZP shows up in time for his meeting with the Gaytors.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

You LITERALLY were trying to use cost/benefit to determine if Mario has been good or bad and compared it to Manny. I literally addressed the point directly by saying look at the trendline. Then I also said to take that comparison nationally. What is Mario paid? What did we finish ranked last year? What are expectations for the team this year?

No. Try again.
And maybe look up the word "literally."

 

[Calinative]

No. Try again.
And maybe look up the word "literally."

Or you should maybe re-read your own first paragraph I originally quoted...

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Or you should maybe re-read your own first paragraph I originally quoted...

Your words:

You LITERALLY were trying to use cost/benefit to determine if Mario has been good or bad and compared it to Manny.

My words (with emphasis, to help you):

Again, I want to take this moment to point out the position of certain people on this board who are apparently cool having a cost/benefit discussion when in regards to a player (in this case, a teenage safety who has played exactly 1 year of college football), but have no issue claiming the salary of our HC shouldn't factor into the equation of his expectations or is otherwise irrelevant to the program's success.

The post was (literally) to point out the position of "certain people" here who have no issue justifying player decisions based on a "cost/benefit" analysis, notwithstanding the fact they will claim HC's salary should have no impact on the expectations for the HC.

I (literally) made no comment on whether Mario has been good or bad.

Yet, you responded with a transparent attempt to defend Mario, going so far as to speciously mention "trendlines" (what's Mario's trendline over the last 1/3 of last season, BTW?) to make the absurdly irrelevant argument that Mario > Manny (as if being "better than Manny" is somehow redeeming for any UM football coach).

As I alluded to earlier, you were so laughably blinded by your need to white knight for Mario that you completely missed the point. Repeatedly. And which still appears outside your comprehension (along with the definition of the word "literally").

 

[Calinative]

Your words:



My words (with emphasis, to help you):



The post was (literally) to point out the position of "certain people" here who have no issue justifying player decisions based on a "cost/benefit" analysis, notwithstanding the fact they will claim HC's salary should have no impact on the expectations for the HC.

I (literally) made no comment on whether Mario has been good or bad.

Yet, you responded with a transparent attempt to defend Mario, going so far as to speciously mention "trendlines" (what's Mario's trendline over the last 1/3 of last season, BTW?) to make the absurdly irrelevant argument that Mario > Manny (as if being "better than Manny" is somehow redeeming for any UM football coach).

As I alluded to earlier, you were so laughably blinded by your need to white knight for Mario that you completely missed the point. Repeatedly. And which still appears outside your comprehension (along with the definition of the word "literally").

You quite literally then broke it down $/win right after that lol. How is that not directly commentating on exactly that?

You still never answered where Mario stacks up in coaches salary, and we know why that is lol

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

You quite literally then broke it down $/win right after that lol. How is that not directly commentating on exactly that?

You still never answered where Mario stacks up in coaches salary, and we know why that is lol

Before we move onto my second paragraph, do you now understand the first? Do you now realize I was drawing attention to the inconsistent application of an ROI analysis on player retention decisions and not HC decisions?

Don't answer. It was rhetorical. Based on your post, you still don't get it. If you did, you wouldn't raise the questions you just did.

Speaking of which, I never responded to your question because it was so absurdly irrelevant to the point I was making. Your question was boring and embarassingly defensive. Mario's results on the field have been underwhelming. This is not reasonably debatable by any rational, unbiased person. This is especially true when compared to the unprecedented resources the school has given him. From the perspective of winning, it's been a sub-par ROI. At least as bad as Ny Carr and Zay Patterson's ROI.

Though looking back at my post, I was wrong about something. I gave Mario's total wins at UM per only a single year's salary. Mario's actually made ~$1.09M per UM win, and Manny made ~$571K per win at UM. My bad on that. I can readily admit when I'm wrong about something.