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Miami/ND analysis-prediction

QuattroCane said:
At some point, you have to stop being scared. I'm not "overly" confident, but as I've said before, if the situations were reversed, everyone would be saying we were going to get blown out.
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In life? Absolutely. About the Miami Hurricanes? Never. There's too many ifs and "I think" against a team who already knows what they are.
 
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MumbleRap said:
Shannon Dawson… he’s the X factor as always.

I’ve said it and I’ll say it again and again. When no one has had tape on his offenses early season (A&M and UF) he rolls. People think Miami bout to try and run this ball…. Dawson gonna having them boys ready to catch. He’s gonna make ND keep up, Carson gonna get his. Quite possibly the biggest advantage UM has is QB vs QB.

Fact of the matter is, Miami is scoring 27-37 points. Can ND keep pace? Could Carr do it? Potentially, but I’ll bet no.

UM 37-24.
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To me it will come down to how talented Miami’s receivers are. The best QB and offensive line will always have the advantage.

If our wideouts are legit, Miami will have the edge and win.

Defensively I think we have more than enough to be competitive. You don’t need a elite defense to win this game.
 
NDfan said:
I will give it a shot both ways, for fun.

QB - Miami with a moderate advantage. Beck is proven and seems to be slept on a bit. Carr is going to be really good, but this is his first start in a hostile environment. Interesting that Miami doesn't think he is mobile, though.

RB - ND with a moderate advantage. ND has the best and deepest room in the country, but Miami's is also very good.

OL - Push. IMO, two of the four top groups in the country.

WR- ND with moderate advantage. I think Miami will eventually be very good. They are just super young. This, IMO, could be ND's best receiving core since...shoot, possibly ever. 2018 would be close.

TE - Push. I think Lofton and Rairdon can both make plays and are very good. Miami's room is likely deeper.

DE - Miami with a slight advantage. I think Bain is the best player on Miami's team and is awfully good. Messidor could be an issue also. ND could eventually be right there, but they are like Miami's WR, awfully young. ND is deeper. They can run out 6 quality DE's.

DT - Push. Interesting that this is quite possibly the position that could decide the game. Both teams have some very nice potential, but largely unproven in this scenario.

LB - ND with the significant advantage. ND has one of the best rooms in the nation. Miami has the kid from Rutgers that is very good. I think ND might be able to take advantage of this group with their backs.

CB - ND with the moderate advantage. ND arguably has the best CB tandem in the country. Miami's should be much improved. Frederique was sensational last year, and Lucas should be solid also.

S- ND with the significant advantage. I think this is arguably Miami's weakest position group. ND is loaded here. I think ND will be one of the top groups in the country again.

K - Push. Both seem to scare their respective fan bases.

P- Miami with a significant advantage. Whoever they put out there will be better. ND's punter is brutal.

OC - ND with the slight advantage. In the OC ratings I saw, Denbrock was first and Shannon was third in the nation.

DC - Push. Both guys with a lot to prove.

Head Coach - ND significant advantage. At this stage you would have to go with Coach Freeman.

This game will come down to who can stop the run and limit turnovers. It should be a fun one.
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Either you don't know what the word moderate means or you're just messing with people. If a 6 year qb who will be a high draft choice next year doesn't have more than a moderate advantage over a first time starter second year guy opening in a hostile away game I don't know what to tell you.

You should have put qb last in your piece because I assume many stopped reaading after qb
 
CityboyCanes4life82 said:
To me it will come down to how talented Miami’s receivers are. The best QB and offensive line will always have the advantage.

If our wideouts are legit, Miami will have the edge and win.

Defensively I think we have more than enough to be competitive. You don’t need an elite defense to win this game.
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I read something the other day that said we lost our top 6 pass receivers from last year, is so that’s crazy.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Make 2025 the year when we stop comparing position groups to discuss the outcome of football games.

I genuinely appreciate the effort, but I cannot stress how irrelevant the match-up of our running backs against their running backs is. They don't play football at the same time.

I understand your premise, you're comparing overall rosters. But again, that's essentially irrelevant. Miami, position by position, was superior to Syracuse. But they had a MASSIVE advantage in what was BY FAR the strength of their team (their passing game) versus what was BY FAR the weakness of Miami's team (the secondary). And that one area of massive strength versus crippling weakness decided the entire football game.

IMO the story of the game will come down to Miami's WR's versus ND's back 7....and Miami's front 7 versus ND's backs. If we can limit Love and the group somewhat, we'll be successful on defense. If we can get open against their secondary, we'll be able to move the ball consistently. Unfortunately, I think ND has the edge in both those spots, but it's not like Miami is totally devoid of advantages. I love our corners against their WRs, especially when you factor in a new QB in a very loud environment and what I feel will be a substantial pass rush. I think we'll be able to run the ball efficiently on anyone we play. We have a very experienced quarterback who ND will not be able to rattle or confuse. And we'll have 70,000 sauced gorillas at full throat, in humidity so thick you can wear it. I love our chances.

But these are 2 good teams. We're home, and they have a QB playing for the first time. I seriously doubt it'll be 41-8, but there's no reason to not get this
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Make 2025 the year when we stop comparing position groups to discuss the outcome of football games.

I genuinely appreciate the effort, but I cannot stress how irrelevant the match-up of our running backs against their running backs is. They don't play football at the same time.

I understand your premise, you're comparing overall rosters. But again, that's essentially irrelevant. Miami, position by position, was superior to Syracuse. But they had a MASSIVE advantage in what was BY FAR the strength of their team (their passing game) versus what was BY FAR the weakness of Miami's team (the secondary). And that one area of massive strength versus crippling weakness decided the entire football game.

IMO the story of the game will come down to Miami's WR's versus ND's back 7....and Miami's front 7 versus ND's backs. If we can limit Love and the group somewhat, we'll be successful on defense. If we can get open against their secondary, we'll be able to move the ball consistently. Unfortunately, I think ND has the edge in both those spots, but it's not like Miami is totally devoid of advantages. I love our corners against their WRs, especially when you factor in a new QB in a very loud environment and what I feel will be a substantial pass rush. I think we'll be able to run the ball efficiently on anyone we play. We have a very experienced quarterback who ND will not be able to rattle or confuse. And we'll have 70,000 sauced gorillas at full throat, in humidity so thick you can wear it. I love our chances.

But these are 2 good teams. We're home, and they have a QB playing for the first time. I seriously doubt it'll be 41-8, but there's no reason to not get this done.
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Actually my analysis is an indictment on the media narrative of why ND holds such a drastic advantage over Miami. I stated how the media is drawing on the point that ND holds such drastic advtanges at specific positions (which hasn’t been proven ), that they will have/should have a easy night and that shouldn’t/won’t happen due to the positions being very similarly woven/nature of how both teams are constructed.

I can’t speak to why you chose that driveway to go up, but I wasn’t comparing positions for outcome.

I stated: Notre Dame WR corp are a huge key for them because it dictates how well the QB will perform and thus, opens up their strongest KNOWN component which is the run game.

The flip side: Miamis Dline ability to get home and cause havoc mitigates those elements thus, meaning the canes will likely be successful in neutralizing Notre Dame offense.
 



This is more like the Riley Leonard of Duke than the Riley Leonard at ND…. He totally regressed in his passing skills after that transfer. It’s a good thing he was a runner
 
canefan96 said:
I read something the other day that said we lost our top 6 pass receivers from last year, is so that’s crazy.
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The best way to look at the loss is this. None of those players were top draft picks. So it was more likely the system vs pure talent.

So there is a good chance the new group will be just as good and put up similar numbers.
 
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NDs WR room is overrated. Though Greathouse is good, a room of Greathouse, Fields, and Faison does not scare me. I believe Our top 3 CBs are that good…OJ, Lucas, Brown. A great mix of size, speed, and physicality. I don’t think Fields went up against 1 CB last year as good as ours.
 
NDfan said:
I will give it a shot both ways, for fun.

QB - Miami with a moderate advantage. Beck is proven and seems to be slept on a bit. Carr is going to be really good, but this is his first start in a hostile environment. Interesting that Miami doesn't think he is mobile, though.

RB - ND with a moderate advantage. ND has the best and deepest room in the country, but Miami's is also very good.

OL - Push. IMO, two of the four top groups in the country.

WR- ND with moderate advantage. I think Miami will eventually be very good. They are just super young. This, IMO, could be ND's best receiving core since...shoot, possibly ever. 2018 would be close.

TE - Push. I think Lofton and Rairdon can both make plays and are very good. Miami's room is likely deeper.

DE - Miami with a slight advantage. I think Bain is the best player on Miami's team and is awfully good. Messidor could be an issue also. ND could eventually be right there, but they are like Miami's WR, awfully young. ND is deeper. They can run out 6 quality DE's.

DT - Push. Interesting that this is quite possibly the position that could decide the game. Both teams have some very nice potential, but largely unproven in this scenario.

LB - ND with the significant advantage. ND has one of the best rooms in the nation. Miami has the kid from Rutgers that is very good. I think ND might be able to take advantage of this group with their backs.

CB - ND with the moderate advantage. ND arguably has the best CB tandem in the country. Miami's should be much improved. Frederique was sensational last year, and Lucas should be solid also.

S- ND with the significant advantage. I think this is arguably Miami's weakest position group. ND is loaded here. I think ND will be one of the top groups in the country again.

K - Push. Both seem to scare their respective fan bases.

P- Miami with a significant advantage. Whoever they put out there will be better. ND's punter is brutal.

OC - ND with the slight advantage. In the OC ratings I saw, Denbrock was first and Shannon was third in the nation.

DC - Push. Both guys with a lot to prove.

Head Coach - ND significant advantage. At this stage you would have to go with Coach Freeman.

This game will come down to who can stop the run and limit turnovers. It should be a fun one.
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Reasonable analysis except for the "moderate advantage" at QB. Beck has won massive games and played maybe the toughest schedule over the last two years and is 24-3 as a starter with a 3:1 TD/INT ratio. Carr doesn't have a single attempt in college. There's nothing moderate about that.

-I think you're downplaying how good Messidor is going to be.

-OC should be a push IMO. But it doesn't bother me.

Other than that, pretty spot on
 
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We are going to destroy these bums. They are now Irishmen who don't fight. Lol.

Championships won when Sebastian was addicted to nicotine: 4

Championships won when Sebastian couldn't smoke anymore: 1 (and that was just 2 years after he "quit" so he was probably still falling off the wagon and smoking a lot in secret)

Is an Irishman who don't fight still an Irishmen? Find out next Sunday when we beat the brakes off these clowns.
 
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Canes are focused
Canes are at home
Canes have experienced big game QB
Canes have underrated D w new DC
ND breaks in new QB
ND in most hostile environment they can face
ND will be one dimensional
ND will fall behind

I’m confident we will see a repeat of 2017 that I was lucky to attend

I LOVE that UM opens with them as it is the engine to the work that has gone on all spring summer!

Canes 34
ND 10
In another BEATDOWN at Hard Rock!!!!
 
CanesFan93 said:
In life? Absolutely. About the Miami Hurricanes? Never. There's too many ifs and "I think" against a team who already knows what they are.
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How can they know what they are without knowing what their QB is? We lost to ******* FIU cause Jarren Williams. ND has had b2b years with head scratchers cause their QBs and OC hadn't figured it out yet.
 
NDfan said:
I think ND has the overall roster edge. However, Miami has the edge in 3 incredibly important areas, IMO. Their running game vs. Our D line, Their QB being as good as it gets in a clean pocket, again high chance of that with the o line, and the Miami crowd at hard rock. That 2017 Miami crowd was not the same as the Aggie crowd last year. This game will likely be a 4 quarter battle.
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We know you keep saying this. And I actually think you believe it. Fine.

You give us 3 edges. Nobody disputes the part about Hard Rock.

I just think it is amusing to examine the other ones.

First, you give us the edge in "the UM running gave vs. the ND D-line". Second, you give us the edge at QB, but then say there is a high chance Beck has a clean pocket "with the O-line".

Which means that you are NOT giving us the edge for Miami's O-line, even though you expect us to have a good running game AND a clean pocket. I'm dazed just thinking about this.

Interestingly, you do not seem to give Miami any edges on defense. I know, I know, you have this amazing god-level OL that cannot be defeated. OK, believe what you must.

But let's just talk about the ND passing game for a minute. I've acknowledged that Carr may very well be good someday, though I doubt that day will be August 31st. But then I look at the ND receivers. Notre Dame has lost 2 of its top 3 pass-catchers from last year, a WR and a TE. Now, you've got a guy who had 42 catches for 592 yards last year. And you have Malachi Fields, who is **** good. After that, it's Jordan Faison who had 30 catches for 356 yards. Your #2, #4, #5, and #6 WRs are all gone.

And, yes, Miami lost its #1, #2, #3, and #4 WRs. But that's not the point here.

Miami went out and got 3 pretty good WRs. ND got 2 WRs.

CJ Daniels, when healthy, has been the most productive of these 5 transfer WRs (1,000 yard season at Liberty 2 years ago, decent season at LSU last year while playing with an injury). I'd put Malachi Fields up there too, he has not had the injury that CJ Daniels had. Pauling is OK, he was injured multiple times last year and seems relatively fragile given his size. Marion and Johnson are bigger and sturdier than Pauling and have comparable production.

And what this means is as follows. You are pairing a freshman QB in his FIRST START with a WR corps that is not as deep/experienced as one might like for such a big road game. And on the other side, Miami has seriously upgraded its defensive backfield. So if Miami is able to cover the ND WRs fairly well, and given Carr's pocket-passing tendencies, the ND OL is going to have to be super-human to avoid coverage sacks.

Anyhow, you can come back in a week to see how these predictions played out.
 
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