Miami Mentions: 2020 Top247 July Update

[grover]

Glad Manny's staff doesn't give a **** about these so-called "analyst" rankings, and does its own evals. Coker's and to some degree Golden's staff fell into the trap of thinking these sites know anything about projecting kids at the next level. Anyone can see Flowe is a talent. It's finding the Garvins and Malik Youngs that will separate us in terms of filling out a full class of Miami-level kids.

 

[Mike41]

I get that and good for Theo, he deserves it. But somewhat strange on other guys rising that didn't participate in the camps or were limited (Knighton and Tae Williams). That is somewhat difficult to explain. IF they were rated low to begin with fine, then wait til they participate in games and practices to raise them up. It makes no sense to drop guys that did and have been participating. Basically saying this whole thing makes no sense.

The whole group that decides on stars is on crack

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Been seeing a bunch of posts by players and coaches too. 247 lost credibility for sure on this rankings update...... Supposedly they're going to publish notes from their meetings.. LOL

some player reaction - and these are good players:

 

[mirvin88]

Flowe and Elias not moving one way or another means we still have a punchers chance

 

[SayWhat]

Recruiting ranking generally reflect interest from schools. The top schools typically land the big fish and big shocker here, they play in the big bowl games.

Even if you subscribe to the thought process that becoming a recruit will lower your ranking, so be it. Please show me where in the last decade and a half we've played to the level of our class rankings. We've consistently recruited in the top 20, but how many times have we we finished the season ranked in the top 20? Crickets.

So if anything, we have a bias of recruits being regarded too highly.

 

[Canesfan1899]

One thing I’ve always wondered about is you see kids making bigger jumps based on camp performances with no pads on versus showing out during there season. Seems to me that should have more impact on rankings but at the end of the day these camps and recruiting sites are big business.

 

[Cuban-Cane]

Brevin would've been a 5 star had he committed to a top SEC school, OSU, Mich, or FSU. You can bet your Ar$e.

Brevin Jordan was the number 1 TE in the country. Not sure you can argue he was ranked too low

 

[canesthing3]

Walker decommits and rumors to be favoring Miami and now he’s 42 spots worse than he was before lol... this shxt so fake it’s hilarious.

*I guarantee if Don Chaney was committed to Alabama they would have him shoot up 40 spots minimum regardless if he deserved it or not.

That can’t be true. Dwin said that since Theo Johnson rose in the rankings, there cant be any Miami bias.

We literally go through this every year with the same posters saying the same ****. 247 obviously undervalues our commits for whatever reason, bottom line. I really don’t care tbh but if you can’t see the bias, then idk what to tell you. You have to be a SEC swinger to argue otherwise.

 

[kryptonite]

Recruiting ranking generally reflect interest from schools. The top schools typically land the big fish and big shocker here, they play in the big bowl games.

Even if you subscribe to the thought process that becoming a recruit will lower your ranking, so be it. Please show me where in the last decade and a half we've played to the level of our class rankings. We've consistently recruited in the top 20, but how many times have we we finished the season ranked in the top 20? Crickets.

So if anything, we have a bias of recruits being regarded too highly.

I think you've got that all backwards. We haven't finished in the top 20 because our coaches haven't developed kids to their potential, not because the kids were overrated.. Rankings are based off what the kid has done and what he is projected to do in the future and we've sucked at getting kids to that projected future. You can see this when you look at the NFL. Guys who didn't do that much in college are still getting drafted because NFL teams see the potential and know they can develop it.

 

[SayWhat]

I think you've got that all backwards. We haven't finished in the top 20 because our coaches haven't developed kids to their potential, not because the kids were overrated.. Rankings are based off what the kid has done and what he is projected to do in the future and we've sucked at getting kids to that projected future. You can see this when you look at the NFL. Guys who didn't do that much in college are still getting drafted because NFL teams see the potential and know they can develop it.

I think that is taking it a bit far.

Someone would have to do a statistical analysis, but a lot of the guys we've had drafted were three stars. There are tons of three stars in the NFL. So naturally, we are going to hit on some of those.

The idea that they should be ranked higher runs into another road block here. You don't see our guys going high in the draft. That again supports the 3 star rankings on some and with higher rated recruits, it suggests also that they were ranked too high.

Sure, coaching has some play in this discussion. It doesn't explain away losing to a ton of lower ranked recruiting classes with coaching staffs that aren't anywhere close to elite. We have an elite attitude due to the past, but have been getting anything but elite results. Talent should be enough against some of these inferior (based on stars) teams with mediocre coaching staffs.

Sorry, I just don't see this bias. Bias comes into play when you overplayed your hand. We aren't doing that, rather we haven't been. Hopefully that changes.

 

[jw410]

So Pope's a clear 5 star and not Brevin? You guys crack me up. Pope was a 170lbs soaking wet. What stood out to me was the AA game. He had multiple chances to shine and did nada. He got beat on 50/50 balls by an Oky commit that wasn't a take for UM. Pope didn't explode on the scene like Coley or Richards as a frosh. He was rated higher than them both. Pope was beat out by Lawrence Cager and Dee Wiggins. Pope's got a TON to prove.

Pope has a S H I T ton to prove. He wet the bed and then flirted with Uif.. I hope he shuts me up this year. I will never be a fan of a kid who flirts with my enemy. But hey this bread of humanity is so soft now.

 

[Cookie917]

BTW Marcus Clarke got bumped up almost 450 spots....

 

[Umbra]

It seems wild to "random placeholder" a Top 50 spot to a guy who just reclassified. They're driving up the price so he can the SEC bids that he's looking for.

Good. Let him be a bust that doesn't contribute to that team for a few years, if at all. It takes up a spot on the roster of a bag school and gives us the ability to take another kid that they might have taken instead.

 

[ScharfCane]

Pope has a S H I T ton to prove. He wet the bed and then flirted with Uif.. I hope he shuts me up this year. I will never be a fan of a kid who flirts with my enemy. But hey this bread of humanity is so soft now.

Nesta flirted with UF too... it's part of recruiting.

 

[D7.]

I think you've got that all backwards. We haven't finished in the top 20 because our coaches haven't developed kids to their potential, not because the kids were overrated.. Rankings are based off what the kid has done and what he is projected to do in the future and we've sucked at getting kids to that projected future. You can see this when you look at the NFL. Guys who didn't do that much in college are still getting drafted because NFL teams see the potential and know they can develop it.

 

[kryptonite]

I think that is taking it a bit far.

Someone would have to do a statistical analysis, but a lot of the guys we've had drafted were three stars. There are tons of three stars in the NFL. So naturally, we are going to hit on some of those.

The idea that they should be ranked higher runs into another road block here. You don't see our guys going high in the draft. That again supports the 3 star rankings on some and with higher rated recruits, it suggests also that they were ranked too high.

Sure, coaching has some play in this discussion. It doesn't explain away losing to a ton of lower ranked recruiting classes with coaching staffs that aren't anywhere close to elite. We have an elite attitude due to the past, but have been getting anything but elite results. Talent should be enough against some of these inferior (based on stars) teams with mediocre coaching staffs.

Sorry, I just don't see this bias. Bias comes into play when you overplayed your hand. We aren't doing that, rather we haven't been. Hopefully that changes.

The lower ranked teams

I think that is taking it a bit far.

Someone would have to do a statistical analysis, but a lot of the guys we've had drafted were three stars. There are tons of three stars in the NFL. So naturally, we are going to hit on some of those.

The idea that they should be ranked higher runs into another road block here. You don't see our guys going high in the draft. That again supports the 3 star rankings on some and with higher rated recruits, it suggests also that they were ranked too high.

Sure, coaching has some play in this discussion. It doesn't explain away losing to a ton of lower ranked recruiting classes with coaching staffs that aren't anywhere close to elite. We have an elite attitude due to the past, but have been getting anything but elite results. Talent should be enough against some of these inferior (based on stars) teams with mediocre coaching staffs.

Sorry, I just don't see this bias. Bias comes into play when you overplayed your hand. We aren't doing that, rather we haven't been. Hopefully that changes.

Those guys don't go high in the draft because they didn't show much in college. The fact that they go at all is a testament to their talent. And the teams we lose to have generally had better coaching than we have.

Look, it's obviously more than one thing, but you have to see the coaching angle is bigger than the talent. We're talking about kids who were not only 3*/4* rated, but had legit offers from legit teams. It's not like our coaches were fooled by nonsense rankings, everybody offered these kids.

Bottom line is that rankings aren't perfect, but they are made by people who know what they're doing. I'm sorry that people on here think they see more/less in this or that kid than 247 does, but those guys are pros. They miss some evals, but everyone does. I think people concentrate on a couple kids who's evals they disagree with or who didn't pan out in college and ignore the majority who produce about how they were expected to produce.

 

[kryptonite]

Pope has a S H I T ton to prove. He wet the bed and then flirted with Uif.. I hope he shuts me up this year. I will never be a fan of a kid who flirts with my enemy. But hey this bread of humanity is so soft now.

LOL, how many Miami players can you name who never showed any interest in uf/fsu?

 

[SSCane]

Michael Redding, Don Chaney & Issiah Walker were 3 of the best performers at the Opening & all 3 dropped. Knighton didn't even participate & got bumped.

It's not the camps, it's who the scouting directors at 247 DECIDE they want to move up or down & it's based on who the player is committed to or which team is interested in them.

Michael Redding should be a top 10 WR in the nation, look at the kids they have ahead of him, some of them are not anywhere close to as athletically gifted as he is, there's not one single thing the kid doesn't do well but he's still not being properly ranked.

These ratings don't change my opinion on any player or commit we got, Idgaf if they're dead last or first, I know what a good football player looks like regardless of what the sites say. But the point is, the recruiting sites are more political than they are objective & fair and it's obvious.

Can't up vote this enough. Absolutely spot on!

 

[TrueFloridian]

Nesta flirted with UF too... it's part of recruiting.

Nesta trolled UF. There's a big difference.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I forgot what the site was called I will bullshyt u not the main sites or magazines then didnt have him as a five star but most people knew he was elite. I forgot the site man fuq I used to use it and brought it up a few time early in this sites cycle. If u scroll up at what ethnicsands is saying thats pretty much how I look at it virtually me and him have the same thought process. None of us have official proof on what these sites go by but Im sure coaching pedigree has alot to do with it or its one of the numerous things that have to do with it.

Good lord, I provide all the evidence to prove you wrong and you just keep digging your heels in deeper.

This isn't about whether "most people knew he was elite". This is about whether Sean Taylor was officially listed ANYWHERE as a 5-star. And he was not. I don't care about your opinion or "ethnicsands" opinion, that isn't the issue AT ALL.

This is about a simple concept, so here it is once again, so that you don't get confused and go off on another one of your 100 tangents.

Recruit is good. Recruit is highly rated. Recruit makes an ORAL COMMITMENT to Miami. Recruit begins to drop in the Rivals/Scout/247 rankings for no apparent reason. All while the recruits who make ORAL COMMITMENTS (or are considered strong leans) to SEC schools (and a few others, like Ohio Taint, Clemson, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc.) continue to be bumped up in the Rivals/Scout/247 rankings, even when they have done nothing tangible to merit a rise in the rankings.

Literally, I don't care about your "I'm sure coaching pedigree has a lot to do with it" opinion. It's ridiculous. It is well-documented that certain website writers/moderators/site-owners lobby these ratings services for THEIR SCHOOLS' RECRUITS. And Miami writers/moderators/site-owners do not.

Keep your head in the sand. I don't care. And I've never said that the rankings are the end-all/be-all. But as Franchise has stated about a million times, there are situations where perception becomes reality. If the best players think that all the best players are going to Clemson, then all of the "we do our own evaluations" tropes in the world are not going to reverse the situation.

Yes, top recruiting classes do not INSURE national championships. But star-ratings and recruiting class rankings have a STATISTICAL CORRELATION to who the best teams turn out to be. There are always exceptions. But you ALWAYS make your chances at the title MORE LIKELY by signing the highest rated classes possible.

And if certain writers/moderators/site-owners for certain schools are corrupting the process, then they are STATISTICALLY giving themselves and their schools an advantage. Even if an individual high-rated player does not pan out, or a low-rated player has an amazing career, overall, the most talented recruiting classes tend to win more. As an aggregate. Statistically.