Miami lands another 2026 OL Prospect in Rhys Woodrow

I think you are making this more complicated than it is.

Kind of like the other thread "debunking" that Mirabal was a better developer than Searels. We know how that turned out: Cantwell chose Miami over Georgia, he cited Mirabal as the biggest reason, Georgia fans want Searels fired, and everybody in America is picking Miami's 2025 OL over Georgia's.

Mirabal's evaluations get deference because he consistently builds excellent offensive lines. He usually does it with a mix of five-stars like Cantwell and three-stars like Woodrow. This class fits in with what Mirabal usually does, with great success.
That was never a discussion point by me. I haven't discussed Mirabal and I'm not upset we landed Cantwell. I don't blindly trust our evals though. I do believe the end result will be good enough to not be a weakness and if we want to all agree on something that is a good starting point.
 
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Mario/Mirabal so far:

HIT
Anez Cooper
Matthew McCoy
Francis Mauigoa
Markel Bell

TBA/2025 season will say a lot
Tommy Kinsler
Samson Okunlola
Juan Minaya

MISS
Antonio Tripp
Frankie Tinilau

NEVER HEAR NAME MENTIONED
Deryc Plazz
Nino Francavilla
 
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I think you are making this more complicated than it is.

Kind of like the other thread "debunking" that Mirabal was a better developer than Searels. We know how that turned out: Cantwell chose Miami over Georgia, he cited Mirabal as the biggest reason, Georgia fans want Searels fired, and everybody in America is picking Miami's 2025 OL over Georgia's.

Mirabal's evaluations get deference because he consistently builds excellent offensive lines. He usually does it with a mix of five-stars like Cantwell and three-stars like Woodrow. This class fits in with what Mirabal usually does, with great success.
I think Mirabal is a better teacher than Searles. You can even argue Mirabals groups more consistently outperform what Searles units have done. But you also can't ignore the high end talent UGA has pumped into the draft with different coaches since Kirby took over.
 
Mario/Mirabal so far:

HIT
Anez Cooper
Matthew McCoy
Francis Mauigoa

TBA/2025 season will say a lot
Tommy Kinsler
Samson Okunlola
Juan Minaya

MISS
Antonio Tripp
Frankie Tinilau

NEVER HEAR NAME MENTIONED
Deryc Plazz
Nino Francavilla

Yep and if you take out Francis (which was a pretty sure thing, let's be honest), that's two guys on the hit list. Next year is put up or shut up for a LOT of dudes.

But in all fairness, Markell Bell should be on that hit list as well, jmo.
 
Yep and if you take out Francis (which was a pretty sure thing, let's be honest), that's two guys on the hit list. Next year is put up or shut up for a LOT of dudes.

But in all fairness, Markell Bell should be on that hit list as well, jmo.
What are we calling a hit?
 
Yep and if you take out Francis (which was a pretty sure thing, let's be honest), that's two guys on the hit list. Next year is put up or shut up for a LOT of dudes.

But in all fairness, Markell Bell should be on that hit list as well, jmo.
**** I forgot about Bell
 
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Yep and if you take out Francis (which was a pretty sure thing, let's be honest), that's two guys on the hit list. Next year is put up or shut up for a LOT of dudes.

But in all fairness, Markell Bell should be on that hit list as well, jmo.

Why is it put up or shut up time?

As long as the offensive line continues to be a very good offensive line, why does it matter who is starting/playing a lot?

You can only start 5
 
Why is it put up or shut up time?

As long as the offensive line continues to be a very good offensive line, why does it matter who is starting/playing a lot?

You can only start 5
we got fans that have gotten a lil weird about Mario/Mirabel an his ol and development. This is like the twilight zone.....

this to me is his one strong point...other than being an all out recruiter...like there wasnt nothing much else i liked about Mario as a coach and its folks going out of their way to downplay that strongpoint. lol
 
A quick little search will show you that from 2017-2021 at Oregon , Mario recruited a total of ten, 3 star OL. Of those 10, 3 ended up becomimg starters from what I can see. Is that considered some great success? I'm not saying it's horrible, but to say Mario/Mirabal can take any amount of 3 stars and we should have no worries in the world is beyond a stretch.

Thus far in Mario's 3 full classes here at UM he has taken eight 3 star OL. Two of them have already left (Tinulau and Tripp). The other 6 are Tommy Kinsler, Juan Minaya, Deryc Plazz, Nino Francavilla, Jaden Wilkerson, Demetrius Campbell. Now anything can happen, but based on other recruits and what I have heard to this point, I see maybe 1, at most 2 starters out of that group. But leaning towards 1.

This is simply discussing his 3 star takes.
 
A quick little search will show you that from 2017-2021 at Oregon , Mario recruited a total of ten, 3 star OL. Of those 10, 3 ended up becomimg starters from what I can see. Is that considered some great success? I'm not saying it's horrible, but to say Mario/Mirabal can take any amount of 3 stars and we should have no worries in the world is beyond a stretch.

Thus far in Mario's 3 full classes here at UM he has taken eight 3 star OL. Two of the1gm have already left (Tinulau and Tripp). The other 6 are Tommy Kinsler, Juan Minaya, Deryc Plazz, Nino Francavilla, Jaden Wilkerson, Demetrius Campbell. Now anything can happen, but based on other recruits and what I have heard to this point, I see maybe 1, at most 2 starters out of that group. But leaning towards 1.

This is simply discussing his 3 star takes.
I tried this already. Good luck on your journey. McCoy and Cooper were also 3*
 
Mirabal signed Jackson Powers Johnson at Oregon who ended up winning the Rimmington Award and being a 2nd round pick

But he was a blue chip recruit that correlates with his success as a football player

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we got fans that have gotten a lil weird about Mario/Mirabel an his ol and development. This is like the twilight zone.....

this to me is his one strong point...other than being an all out recruiter...like there wasnt nothing much else i liked about Mario as a coach and its folks going out of their way to downplay that strongpoint. lol

To me it seems like people are having different conversations that are inter-related, but ask distinct questions:

Do Mario/Mirabal more often than not produce very good to excellent OL units? Yes.
Do Mario/Mirabal more often than not recruit stud/blue-chip OL? Some years absolutely, some years no.
Do Mario/Mirabal sometimes miss on some of these OL recruits? Yes, but so does every coach.
Do Mario/Mirabal hit on non-blue-chip recruits at a better rate than other staffs? Unclear. I'd love to see some stats on this, but I'd imagine compiling it would be a pain. Might be a good task for @CIS Al Bot ...
 
To me it seems like people are having different conversations that are inter-related, but ask distinct questions:

Do Mario/Mirabal more often than not produce very good to excellent OL units? Yes.
Do Mario/Mirabal more often than not recruit stud/blue-chip OL? Some years absolutely, some years no.
Do Mario/Mirabal sometimes miss on some of these OL recruits? Yes, but so does every coach.
Do Mario/Mirabal hit on non-blue-chip recruits at a better rate than other staffs? Unclear. I'd love to see some stats on this, but I'd imagine compiling it would be a pain. Might be a good task for @CIS Al Bot ...
Can't get more accurate than this post, but this is the actual answer we need once and all. For the "I trust _____" narrative to be settled. The problem I could see coming in to play would be the amount of 3*s signed in comparison to other schools. I remember some thinking that because we had more 3* drafted than Alabama and Georgia it meant we were better at developing 3*s.
 
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Can't get more accurate than this post, but this is the actual answer we need once and all. For the "I trust _____" narrative to be settled. The problem I could see coming in to play would be the amount of 3*s signed in comparison to other schools. I remember some thinking that because we had more 3* drafted than Alabama and Georgia it meant we were better at developing 3*s.

I agree that is the critical question. I've posed it on this forum before, but mostly people point to the subjective and not objective data on the topic.

I definitely believe there are coaches who can evaluate and/or develop players at certain positions better than the consensus or "average" coach. I just don't think anyone has done a proper analysis on it.
 
A quick little search will show you that from 2017-2021 at Oregon , Mario recruited a total of ten, 3 star OL. Of those 10, 3 ended up becomimg starters from what I can see. Is that considered some great success? I'm not saying it's horrible, but to say Mario/Mirabal can take any amount of 3 stars and we should have no worries in the world is beyond a stretch.

Thus far in Mario's 3 full classes here at UM he has taken eight 3 star OL. Two of them have already left (Tinulau and Tripp). The other 6 are Tommy Kinsler, Juan Minaya, Deryc Plazz, Nino Francavilla, Jaden Wilkerson, Demetrius Campbell. Now anything can happen, but based on other recruits and what I have heard to this point, I see maybe 1, at most 2 starters out of that group. But leaning towards 1.

This is simply discussing his 3 star takes.
Whether you take 4 or 6 Olineman every year out of HS, you still only have 5 starters yearly. And now you have to factor in NIL budgeting. If over a 4 year sample size we take three 5-stars, six 4-stars, and nine 3-stars, that's 18 Oline recruits over 4 years to fill 5 jobs yearly (total of 20starting jobs over 4 years). I'd consider that a pretty good well-balanced overall recruiting return as far as star ratings are concerned and how we should be investing our NIL. The expectation is likely that the 5-stars are starting 2-3 years, at least half the 4-stars start 2 years, and maybe 3 of the 3-stars start 2 years? Okay well each of those players is going to be on different timelines, because they have 5 years of elligiblity, but that's still a combined 18 starting jobs right there just with those basic numbers which seem reasonable to me - and only a hit rate of what 50% for the 4-stars and 33% for the 3-stars? Yet if it leads to 4 years of quality starting Olines, who gives a ****? Okay and all that was just with 4.5 Olineman/yr. What if it's closer to 6, especially now that we are going to 105 scholarships? Okay well if the end on-field product is the same but it's done with 6 recruits yearly instead of 4.5, what changed?

Anytime people use hit rate without context I honestly think it's a dog**** argument for those reasons. Tell me why is taking 4 players with a 100% hit rate better than taking 10 players with a 40% hit rate? I'd say the latter is far more realistic and sustainable. It's quite simple and I've been saying it a while, out of the PORTAL you want a very high hit rate. Out of portal guys we should absolutely not be going for depth type players. But out of HS, the more the merrier. We have a whole roster to fill out and the more swings we take the better. And with the current era you need a balance of guys that will actually be willing to sit a year or more (so 3 stars) and high quality talent that you expect to get heavy rotation asap and be true ceiling-raisers. And OLine is a position that you absolutely expect/want guys to develop in the program for 3+ seasons. I just don't see how any of yall really expect that to be done at any reasonable cost without getting a lot of 3 stars and hoping you hit on just 1 from every recruiting class (but not neccessarily an immediate hit!) and the others serve as quality depth until they leave.
 
I did answer your 1st question…I said yes

As for "building" did I use that word? Or did another poster. And why does it matter? Sounds like semantics to me.

Put a strong OL on the field…Plain and simple. Does that qualify for "building"?

And CMC/Mirabal always do that.



Yes… the whole shootin' match. Put a good OL on the field. And they have always done it. With 3* as part of their OLs

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Can't get more accurate than this post, but this is the actual answer we need once and all. For the "I trust _____" narrative to be settled. The problem I could see coming in to play would be the amount of 3*s signed in comparison to other schools. I remember some thinking that because we had more 3* drafted than Alabama and Georgia it meant we were better at developing 3*s.

My point is it's a different set of rules on the offensive line for them and we have a nice sample size to prove this.

I'm not as big on rankings as everyone else, but I could understand the point at other positions.

I just think if the combo of CMC/Mirabal take the commitment of an OL it's fine by me. They've earned that.
 
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