Miami Admin Remains the Problem

[Gsugradcanefan]

name the active coaches who have won Power 5 conference titles 2 consecutive years and played for a 3rd in a 3 year span. The list is VERY short. Winning a P5 conf championship is not easy no matter the circumstances. He has proven he can win, and he will win here also.

Annnnndddd with all of that he's still 3-7 in the ACC and 0-5 against ACC opponents at home.

 

[AtrainCane]

Annnnndddd with all of that he's still 3-7 in the ACC and 0-5 against ACC opponents at home.

And the sins of yesterday are here to haunt us today. Manny left him a mess that wasn’t able to be cleaned up in the year and half he’s been here. Who would’ve thunk it…Ask yourself why is he having to plug so many holes in our roster.

 

[hoops156]

this site will protect saint Cristobal more than their own family but now that hes failing, its dig in the heels time. w.e. you wanna say about Manny, it wasn't 5-7 mess and not be useless against conference opponents mess. were sloppy and undisciplined against p5 teams. we were that against ATM but offense saved it for us.

man hired a new staff and fired them bc they stunk. hired a new staff and the same mistakes happen with all but 20 or so kids left from last year. on top of that, most of his transfers dont play.

I promise you, you could give him 10 top 10 classes and well still be in the same spot questioning if he can get it done.

 

[hoops156]

Annnnndddd with all of that he's still 3-7 in the ACC and 0-5 against ACC opponents at home.

this is like ATM with fisher. he won a title and the conference a million times yet theyre poorly coached and 500 as a team w him no better than they were w Sumlin but w way. more talent on the roster

 

[AtrainCane]

this site will protect saint Cristobal more than their own family but now that hes failing, its dig in the heels time. w.e. you wanna say about Manny, it wasn't 5-7 mess and not be useless against conference opponents mess. were sloppy and undisciplined against p5 teams. we were that against ATM but offense saved it for us.

man hired a new staff and fired them bc they stunk. hired a new staff and the same mistakes happen with all but 20 or so kids left from last year. on top of that, most of his transfers dont play.

I promise you, you could give him 10 top 10 classes and well still be in the same spot questioning if he can get it done.

Just like he didn’t get it done at Oregon…oh wait

 

[hoops156]

Just like he didn’t get it done at Oregon…oh wait

cool that was Oregon. at miami, hes 500 with numerous staff hiring failures and gameday gaffes. what's next? you can continue slurp his Oregon ****, but Oregon is doing just fine w Lanning who basically cleaned house including bringing new skill talent and QB

 

[gogeta4]

I wasn’t a Mario guy either.
Kiffen would be a disaster. He cares more about fishing than recruiting. Mario is at least a guy who eats sleeps and breathes this.
He has shown willingness to make changes but we need a strong 2024 class to supplement 2023. You aren’t a playoff program when couch and Flagg are in your two deep and you don’t play a running back who can gain more than 10 yards on a carry.

I cant believe yall are still holding on to the bolded.

Im gonna give u a heads up brudda.....When this team wins 7 games at best....Recruiting aint gonna be all so well down the road if we keep this trajectory.

Norvell cant recruit but hes about to beat us by 3 scores this year.

Its the sole reason yall kept on n on about when we had the Lane Train cranked up...and now we 9-9 with 2 or 3 of the worst losses ive seen in my life.

in what world wouldnt Lane Kiffin recruit well while WINNING games here...***** Dawson is getting us offensive recruits. lol

 

[nycane]

I cant believe yall are still holding on to the bolded.

Im gonna give u a heads up brudda.....When this team wins 7 games at best....Recruiting aint gonna be all so well down the road if we keep this trajectory.

Norvell cant recruit but hes about to beat us by 3 scores this year.

Its the sole reason yall kept on n on about when we had the Lane Train cranked up...and now we 9-9 with 2 or 3 of the worst losses ive seen in my life.

in what world wouldnt Lane Kiffin recruit well while WINNING games here...***** Dawson is getting us offensive recruits. lol

bruh, I never wanted Mario. I mean it might sound crazy but I wanted mark stoops.

 

[gogeta4]

bruh, I never wanted Mario. I mean it might sound crazy but I wanted mark stoops.

Your saying Kifin cant recruit....

At the two MAIN positions to recruit yarly in my opinion...we have............JUDD ANDERSON and d*ck at DTACKLE ( I LOVE JONES, BUT THINK HE WILL FLIP TO FSU SOON).

You wanted Stoops lol...anothr Miami connection..u in the admin?.

 

[TheEye]

cool that was Oregon. at miami, hes 500 with numerous staff hiring failures and gameday gaffes. what's next? you can continue slurp his Oregon ****, but Oregon is doing just fine w Lanning who basically cleaned house including bringing new skill talent and QB

By that mentality you could apply it to any coach prospect. If Kiffin came here and failed people would completely disregard his success at other programs too.

 

[hoops156]

By that mentality you could apply it to any coach prospect. If Kiffin came here and failed people would completely disregard his success at other programs too.

if either fails they fail. what im saying is call it like it is - mario here is not succeeding right now. golden did well at temple and failed here. anyways, we cant get out of the contract win or lose, so it doenst matter to continue on with it. ive said that my only issue w the mario hire was rhe contract. i do think **** leave the program in a more talented place (roster) but thats me betting on the recruiter.

 

[TheEye]

if either fails they fail. what im saying is call it like it is - mario here is not succeeding right now. golden did well at temple and failed here. anyways, we cant get out of the contract win or lose, so it doenst matter to continue on with it. ive said that my only issue w the mario hire was rhe contract. i do think **** leave the program in a more talented place (roster) but thats me betting on the recruiter.

We all have eyes. An L is an L. Some fans have optimism because, unlike Manny, we hired a coach with experience and some success. If Mario’s strength is recruiting then we need to give him time for his Freshmen to grow up.

 

[hoops156]

We all have eyes. An L is an L. Some fans have optimism because, unlike Manny, we hired a coach with experience and some success. If Mario’s strength is recruiting then we need to give him time for his Freshmen to grow up.

hes gonna get ample time regardless of results on the field. we can't buy out of that contract especially since the big donors that pushed this thing are Columbus maribros

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

I love all of these posts, as if athletic departments across the country are just rocking and rolling and making all of the right moves, with no politics, favoritism, side-taking or nonsense anywhere to be found.

Look at the University of Florida post-Spurrier the past 20 years.

Outside of being the program that actually plucked an up and comer from Utah (by way of Bowling Green) in Urban Meyer, what else has Florida and their zillion dollar athletic department gotten right for football?

Ron Zook replaced Spurrier. Total clown. Will Muschamp followed Meyer—after the whole fake heart attacks, Charlie Strong almost getting promoted, Meyer coming bank, tanking and then "retiring" ... only to go to Ohio State.

Jim McElwain is their next choice after Muschamp and when that donkey failed they go back to the same Dan Mullen the should've replaced Meyer with back in 2011, to keep the consistency of that era.

A day late and a dollar short Mullen fails and the Gators land on Billy Napier last year.

Side note, I love Miami fans feeling for years that Mullen would've been a good option for Miami.... yet he couldn't make it at the same Florida program where he was a national championship-caliber offensive coordinator. Hilarious.

The entire thing is a crap shoot and you bet on coaches, hoping that one of them will be the guy.

Butch Davis was Miami's third choice back in Miami. Sonny Lubick and Dave Wannstedt were the top two guys and Miami only landed Davis when neither wanted the job.

Randy Shannon wasn't a first-choice guy. Miami went after Greg Schiano who was hot at the time and he chose to stay at Rutgers.

Prior to that, there were rumblings of bringing Butch back, but the Bryan Pata murder impacted the getting-rid-of-Larry timeline and by the time he was let go at season's end, UNC hired Davis two weeks prior.

A few years ago a portion of this fan base was clamoring for Dino Babers, Matt Campbell and some other flavors of the year that have all gone in the toilet since at their respective schools.


Miami is a niche job and always has been. You could conduct all the little coaching searches you heart desires; a lot of coaches don't (1) want to coach a college program in a large metropolitan city, with a fickle pro sports fan base, no college town experience and an off campus stadium, (2) don't want to live in said large metropolitan city with their families and prefer the smaller college town environment, hence why they coach college football and not pro ball in the first place and (3) know what a meat grinder job it is in Miami if you don't win immediately.

Shannon took the gig because he was a Miami guy. Golden took it as the up and comer type who has always taken this job—he just sucked at it and was a fraud. Richt was ready to retire before his alma mater called, so he tried it out and lasted three years—while Diaz was the hometown kid and Miami was his dream job.

Now you get Cristobal, who was the same—albeit one with experience; cutting his teeth at FIU, learning as Saban's top guy for five years, getting poached by Oregon and promoted when Taggart bailed for FSU—and then succeeding with the Ducks, going 35-12, winning two Pac-12 titles, a Rose Bowl and recruiting like a beast—leaving the cupboard full.

And who'd Oregon replace him with? Dan Lanning was no big named guy that our fans would've clamored for. Grad assistant for six years hopping between Pittsburgh, Arizona State and Alabama before coaching linebackers at Memphis for two years, getting the same job at Georgia in 2018—and promoted from within to defensive coordinator when Mel Tucker got the Michigan State gig (no "national search" for a coordinator)—doing that job for three years on a loaded squad before taking over Mario's team in Oregon.

Y'all overcomplicate this stuff. It's year two under Cristobal, the team looks better than last year and the talent is being picked up on the recruiting trail and in the portal.


Everyone sucking off Mack Brown for 6-0 and North Carolina's best start since 1997—dude went 7-6, 8-4, 6-7 and 9-5 his first four seasons since coming back to Chapel Hill.

FSU fans were worried about not being able to afford a buyout for Mike Norvell in year two—as they gave Willie Lump Lump all their money to go away—as dude went 3-6 out the gate, 0-4 to start year two (including a loss to Jacksonville State) and was 6-12 going into the Miami game year two, where they beat Diaz's squad.

Year three he goes 10-3 and now he's off to 6-0 and riding a 12-game win-streak going back to last year.

Enough of the year two whining—as if so many top-flight coaches were kicking down Miami's door to take over here.

Talent is the most-important commodity in college football and the Canes don't have enough of it yet to be where we want it to be. Flashes of it all over the field and more is coming. Relax.

Need to stop blaming whoever the current guy is for 20 years of incompetence and irrelevance.

Cristobal didn't pull a Lanning and take over a program in good shape.

Dating back to Richt's 10-0 start in 2017, Miami was 28-24 (after Richt's final year and Diaz's three-year run) and was the third new head coach in a five-year span—meanwhile, Van Dyke is now in his third offensive coordinator in as many seasons; Lashlee, Gattis and now Dawson.

Just like this program itself, hardly a picture of consistency..... yet here we are halfway through year two and complaining about the process, while acting like the every athletic department across the country (that is not Georgia or Alabama) is some think-tank juggernaut and Miami is the only one that deals with hierarchy, politics, ego, nepotism, entitlement and lazy decision-making.

Let's see where this thing lands after a few more classes and portal hauls.



P.S. — Baseball is a completely different animal as the demand for it in Miami is nil, as proven by the Marlins, as well. Florida and Mississippi State each just dumped $60,000,000 into their program—because the demand is there and it made financial sense—meanwhile Miami couldn't even pack a home regional for a game against Texas months back. There is no "if you build it they will come" approach for college baseball at UM. That ship has sailed and you're not getting top-flight guys down here to coach this program; you're getting former guys who care about the program. The playing field was much more level back in the day, but the private school scholarship issue plagued Miami this past decade-plus and now big time programs have gotten even bigger with massive resources, that are going to get them better coaches and players, while Miami smacks it around in dinky little Mark Light Stadium and fans / students coming to games (even with an on-campus facility) are nil—while the Gators and Bulldogs pack 'em in every weekend for home stands.

 

[razrcane]

These people really hired Mario instead of Hugh Freeze.

Lol yep and.....

Hiring either one and we are in a much better position this year.

 

[razrcane]

I wasn’t a Mario guy either.
Kiffen would be a disaster. He cares more about fishing than recruiting. Mario is at least a guy who eats sleeps and breathes this.
He has shown willingness to make changes but we need a strong 2024 class to supplement 2023. You aren’t a playoff program when couch and Flagg are in your two deep and you don’t play a running back who can gain more than 10 yards on a carry.

 

[razrcane]

I cant believe yall are still holding on to the bolded.

Im gonna give u a heads up brudda.....When this team wins 7 games at best....Recruiting aint gonna be all so well down the road if we keep this trajectory.

Norvell cant recruit but hes about to beat us by 3 scores this year.

Its the sole reason yall kept on n on about when we had the Lane Train cranked up...and now we 9-9 with 2 or 3 of the worst losses ive seen in my life.

in what world wouldnt Lane Kiffin recruit well while WINNING games here...***** Dawson is getting us offensive recruits. lol

 

[CienPorCientoCane]

MIAMI FAN BASE

 

[AlexCane]

This is a lazy take.

The administration isn't the problem. Money is being funneled into the program at a level we haven't seen before in most of our lifetimes. There is a want-to there that hasn't been there in a long time.

Mario isn't perfect. I don't believe many here if anyone believed that he was an excellent coach. Instead, what most (realistic) posters believed we were getting was a program-builder and a recruiter. If I'm right that those are Mario's strengths, that will take a little bit of time to manifest itself on the field. I do believe once Mario the program-builder and Mario the recruiter does what needs to be done, that will help Mario the coach.

And GTFOH if you think Lane is or was the answer.

 

[TheEye]

I love all of these posts, as if athletic departments across the country are just rocking and rolling and making all of the right moves, with no politics, favoritism, side-taking or nonsense anywhere to be found.

Look at the University of Florida post-Spurrier the past 20 years.

Outside of being the program that actually plucked an up and comer from Utah (by way of Bowling Green) in Urban Meyer, what else has Florida and their zillion dollar athletic department gotten right for football?

Ron Zook replaced Spurrier. Total clown. Will Muschamp followed Meyer—after the whole fake heart attacks, Charlie Strong almost getting promoted, Meyer coming bank, tanking and then "retiring" ... only to go to Ohio State.

Jim McElwain is their next choice after Muschamp and when that donkey failed they go back to the same Dan Mullen the should've replaced Meyer with back in 2011, to keep the consistency of that era.

A day late and a dollar short Mullen fails and the Gators land on Billy Napier last year.

Side note, I love Miami fans feeling for years that Mullen would've been a good option for Miami.... yet he couldn't make it at the same Florida program where he was a national championship-caliber offensive coordinator. Hilarious.

The entire thing is a crap shoot and you bet on coaches, hoping that one of them will be the guy.

Butch Davis was Miami's third choice back in Miami. Sonny Lubick and Dave Wannstedt were the top two guys and Miami only landed Davis when neither wanted the job.

Randy Shannon wasn't a first-choice guy. Miami went after Greg Schiano who was hot at the time and he chose to stay at Rutgers.

Prior to that, there were rumblings of bringing Butch back, but the Bryan Pata murder impacted the getting-rid-of-Larry timeline and by the time he was let go at season's end, UNC hired Davis two weeks prior.

A few years ago a portion of this fan base was clamoring for Dino Babers, Matt Campbell and some other flavors of the year that have all gone in the toilet since at their respective schools.


Miami is a niche job and always has been. You could conduct all the little coaching searches you heart desires; a lot of coaches don't (1) want to coach a college program in a large metropolitan city, with a fickle pro sports fan base, no college town experience and an off campus stadium, (2) don't want to live in said large metropolitan city with their families and prefer the smaller college town environment, hence why they coach college football and not pro ball in the first place and (3) know what a meat grinder job it is in Miami if you don't win immediately.

Shannon took the gig because he was a Miami guy. Golden took it as the up and comer type who has always taken this job—he just sucked at it and was a fraud. Richt was ready to retire before his alma mater called, so he tried it out and lasted three years—while Diaz was the hometown kid and Miami was his dream job.

Now you get Cristobal, who was the same—albeit one with experience; cutting his teeth at FIU, learning as Saban's top guy for five years, getting poached by Oregon and promoted when Taggart bailed for FSU—and then succeeding with the Ducks, going 35-12, winning two Pac-12 titles, a Rose Bowl and recruiting like a beast—leaving the cupboard full.

And who'd Oregon replace him with? Dan Lanning was no big named guy that our fans would've clamored for. Grad assistant for six years hopping between Pittsburgh, Arizona State and Alabama before coaching linebackers at Memphis for two years, getting the same job at Georgia in 2018—and promoted from within to defensive coordinator when Mel Tucker got the Michigan State gig (no "national search" for a coordinator)—doing that job for three years on a loaded squad before taking over Mario's team in Oregon.

Y'all overcomplicate this stuff. It's year two under Cristobal, the team looks better than last year and the talent is being picked up on the recruiting trail and in the portal.


Everyone sucking off Mack Brown for 6-0 and North Carolina's best start since 1997—dude went 7-6, 8-4, 6-7 and 9-5 his first four seasons since coming back to Chapel Hill.

FSU fans were worried about not being able to afford a buyout for Mike Norvell in year two—as they gave Willie Lump Lump all their money to go away—as dude went 3-6 out the gate, 0-4 to start year two (including a loss to Jacksonville State) and was 6-12 going into the Miami game year two, where they beat Diaz's squad.

Year three he goes 10-3 and now he's off to 6-0 and riding a 12-game win-streak going back to last year.

Enough of the year two whining—as if so many top-flight coaches were kicking down Miami's door to take over here.

Talent is the most-important commodity in college football and the Canes don't have enough of it yet to be where we want it to be. Flashes of it all over the field and more is coming. Relax.

Need to stop blaming whoever the current guy is for 20 years of incompetence and irrelevance.

Cristobal didn't pull a Lanning and take over a program in good shape.

Dating back to Richt's 10-0 start in 2017, Miami was 28-24 (after Richt's final year and Diaz's three-year run) and was the third new head coach in a five-year span—meanwhile, Van Dyke is now in his third offensive coordinator in as many seasons; Lashlee, Gattis and now Dawson.

Just like this program itself, hardly a picture of consistency..... yet here we are halfway through year two and complaining about the process, while acting like the every athletic department across the country (that is not Georgia or Alabama) is some think-tank juggernaut and Miami is the only one that deals with hierarchy, politics, ego, nepotism, entitlement and lazy decision-making.

Let's see where this thing lands after a few more classes and portal hauls.



P.S. — Baseball is a completely different animal as the demand for it in Miami is nil, as proven by the Marlins, as well. Florida and Mississippi State each just dumped $60,000,000 into their program—because the demand is there and it made financial sense—meanwhile Miami couldn't even pack a home regional for a game against Texas months back. There is no "if you build it they will come" approach for college baseball at UM. That ship has sailed and you're not getting top-flight guys down here to coach this program; you're getting former guys who care about the program. The playing field was much more level back in the day, but the private school scholarship issue plagued Miami this past decade-plus and now big time programs have gotten even bigger with massive resources, that are going to get them better coaches and players, while Miami smacks it around in dinky little Mark Light Stadium and fans / students coming to games (even with an on-campus facility) are nil—while the Gators and Bulldogs pack 'em in every weekend for home stands.

This post should be required reading. Well said.