Mentality.

[DMoney]

Using UGA as the obvious example, just pointing out that they currently have exactly four players from South Florida on their 2-deep roster (unless I'm missing someone.) Sony Michel, Javon Wims, Riley Ridley, and DeAndre Baker - a RB, a DB, and 2 WRs. Everyone else is from Georgia, Louisiana, one from Mississippi, one from Jax...

That's five of their touchdowns on Monday, their best corner and another receiver who plays.

And the obvious point is that Georgia is a 12-hour drive away, and they still depend on "mentally weak" South Florida guys to get to the top.

 

[ghost2]

Using UGA as the obvious example, just pointing out that they currently have exactly four players from South Florida on their 2-deep roster (unless I'm missing someone.) Sony Michel, Javon Wims, Riley Ridley, and DeAndre Baker - a RB, a DB, and 2 WRs. Everyone else is from Georgia, Louisiana, one from Mississippi, one from Jax...

That's five of their touchdowns on Monday, their best corner and another receiver who plays.

And the obvious point is that Georgia is a 12-hour drive away, and they still depend on "mentally weak" South Florida guys to get to the top.

Absolutely - it seems more like elite teams are cherry picking the elite So. Fla recruits, rather than "stockpiling" them, if you get me. The issue is multifold, and involves on-field production (finally starting to happen), but also involves battling schools with the kind of "support" *wink wink* that we simply don't have. There's no easy answer here. It's less about South Florida athletes being soft, and more about them being savvy enough to know where their bread can be buttered, as it were. Hence the dreaded "business decision."

 

[jerive31]

The Coker/Shannon/Golden regimes really did a number to this fanbase. Richt & co., over the last 2 years, have been effectively bringing knives to gun fights against better teams because of the roster composition and (some of) you guys are ready to declare the players and/or coaches aren't up to par. Meanwhile, Richt is re-making the roster in real time to get it to where it needs to be to compete with Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, et al., but you're too busy complaining about this and that. Let them work. You know they're significant upgrades from the previous 3 regimes.

This 2018 class is getting us close to a blue-chip ratio. The 2019 class should have us close to 70%, if not slightly above. That's getting into Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson territory. We're getting there. This is a process that is actually yielding results. Yes, we want to win the natty every year, but we're not doing that with a roster full of jags. We weren't a few players away when Richt got here like Georgia was when they hired Kirby.

 

[Canesvolls]

Is it possible it is not a geographical issue, but rather some kids are talented and hungry. Others may be talented and not hungry. So it’s up to the coach to weed them out and also get the most out of the ones he has.

 

[The Franchise]

Half of the offensive touchdowns in the College Football Playoff were scored by South Florida players. Seven out of 14.

Great theory, though.

And that has what to do with the topic of team chemistry and mental focus?

The point is obvious. South Florida players seem to have the "mental focus" when they play for other teams.

It's not that complicated. Al Golden is unemployed. Larry Coker is unemployed. Randy Shannon is a Group of Five defensive coordinator. That has been our problem.

Richt has already improved us by a win both years. If he caps out at the level of his Georgia teams, it's not a "Miami culture" issue. It's a Richt issue.

Surroundings matter. 99 percent of Georgia and Alabama rosters are made up of kids from SEC country.

And the "blame the coaches" excuse train has run out of steam. At least with me. I'm done doing that. If four head coaches and who knows how many coordinators with every scheme imaginable tried can't get these kids to produce, then at some point it's on the kids.

You guys wanted a miami guy, you got a Miami native and the second winningest SEC coach in Mark Richt. You wanted to run an attacking one gap 4-3, you got it in spades. And you got the best defensive line coach in America.

You got the facilities upgrades. You got the admin to spend money on coaches. We fired Swasey.

You simply can't blame coaching anymore with a straight face.

We were 10-3 this year. That’s a pretty typical Rick season. I have hope that with the influx of better players, if we can keep them here for enough time to help, we might be an occasional playoff/NC competitor just like he was at UGA.

Why do you expect Rick to get better results here than he did over a 15 year sample size at UGA? He was 10-3 most of the time with mostly Georgia HS players, and that’s what he just did with mostly Florida players.

 

[mackjones]

The mentality around the Miami program, and around the South Florida football community at large since the Coker days, has just been weak-minded and entitled. Straight diva ****.

We think that just because a kid is from South Florida, or just because a kid has the "U" plastered on the side of his helmet, that he's automatically superior to anybody else. We ALWAYS overrate our players, and we ALWAYS think we have better talent than any of the teams we play.

Nevermind that it took us over a decade to win the Coastal, or that we haven't won **** since 2001.... nah we just tell ourselves we are better.

And when **** inevitably goes wrong, we always have the same fallback excuse. The same complaint every time....different coach, same complaint. Since it can't ever be the kids, we ALWAYS blame X's and O's.

Coker, Shannon, Golden... all had talented players (or so we're told), they were just dummies with X's and O's.

They said Shannon ran his vanilla defense and went through a string of ****** OC's, each with his own X's and O's problems (Patrick Nix's bubbles, Whipple's reliance on big plays). Golden had dorito's "bend don't break" defense and Fisch's bubble screens. Richt? Outdated offense, no motion, offense straight out of the 90's. Of course it never occurs to any of us that maybe the players just aren't that great.

Here's the bottom line.

The kids from Miami have egos that don't match their production. Point blank. They're not as good as they think they are. And that's true at the high school level as well as the ones currently at UM. And that's the fault of the coaches, the handlers, the families, the friends, and the community at large who think that just because the Canes dominated 30 years ago, that somehow these players today don't have to work for it or earn it.

Yeah, you get one or two kids like Jaquan Johnson who have that old school Canes mentality and work ethic and who are willing to do what it takes to achieve greatness, but kids like him are too few and far between.

Too few and far between. We used to fill a whole team with guys like Jaquan Johnson.

There is way too much entitlement, way too much "feeding the fam," way too much respecting of stupid decisions and frankly way too much feeding in to the egos of kids who straight up do not deserve it because they haven't earned it.

None of that would be a problem, except that they don't feel like they have to put in the time, focus and work to become great.

Do you think this team took Wisconsin seriously? Or Pitt? Do you think they have the hunger or the attitude of a team like UCF?

The soft Miami culture is something that needs to change. And it's bigger than just the head coach. It's a city of Miami problem. People in this community need to stop stroking these kids ego's, and stop giving these kids credit for **** that happened before they were even born.

RESPECT NEEDS TO BE EARNED, NEVER GIVEN.

We can be great, and we can win national titles, but to do this we need to get back to the winning culture we had back in the day... back when we were hungry and wanted it. We saw flashes of it against Notre Dame and VT.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure it will offend people, but it's something to think about.

The young school guys and gals seem to have that soft mentality today. Too brittle and all that. And I'm not even thinking about the athletes. I'm referring to the non-athletes and what not. Man, generally speaking men and women in the 70's, 60's, 50' and further back were ' tough minded! ' Heck, I don't think Pax American Wehr Macht would have WON the great war- WWII- with these young dudes today! ( The 35 years and younger mob. )

 

[Tit-e-skr]

Half of the offensive touchdowns in the College Football Playoff were scored by South Florida players. Seven out of 14.

Great theory, though.

And that has what to do with the topic of team chemistry and mental focus?

The point is obvious. South Florida players seem to have the "mental focus" when they play for other teams.

It's not that complicated. Al Golden is unemployed. Larry Coker is unemployed. Randy Shannon is a Group of Five defensive coordinator. That has been our problem.

Richt has already improved us by a win both years. If he caps out at the level of his Georgia teams, it's not a "Miami culture" issue. It's a Richt issue.

Surroundings matter. 99 percent of Georgia and Alabama rosters are made up of kids from SEC country.

And the "blame the coaches" excuse train has run out of steam. At least with me. I'm done doing that. If four head coaches and who knows how many coordinators with every scheme imaginable tried can't get these kids to produce, then at some point it's on the kids.

You guys wanted a miami guy, you got a Miami native and the second winningest SEC coach in Mark Richt. You wanted to run an attacking one gap 4-3, you got it in spades. And you got the best defensive line coach in America.

You got the facilities upgrades. You got the admin to spend money on coaches. We fired Swasey.

You simply can't blame coaching anymore with a straight face.

We were 10-3 this year. That’s a pretty typical Rick season. I have hope that with the influx of better players, if we can keep them here for enough time to help, we might be an occasional playoff/NC competitor just like he was at UGA.

Why do you expect Rick to get better results here than he did over a 15 year sample size at UGA? He was 10-3 most of the time with mostly Georgia HS players, and that’s what he just did with mostly Florida players.

I think MR was a much better coach in his early days at UGA. The SEC East was much better back then than it is today. I don't think he is, or will be, the coach at Miami that he was in his early days at UGA. He had some **** good teams back then. He is lucky to be in arguably the worst division in college football within a power 5 conference. The SEC East has the ability to become very good again with Florida and Tenn possibly getting their collective sht together with new hires. The Coastal is Miami and Va Tech, that's about it.

Yeah he won 10 games this year, but he also lost to the two best teams he coached against, one being a complete *** kicking. His wins weren't all that impressive when you go game by game and break those games and teams down.

He had a 4 game losing streak last year, and a 3 game losing streak this year. That's not good no matter how you slice it.

Just because he was a good fit following the debacles of the last couple of coaches doesn't mean he is the coach to get Miami over the top.

He has the burned out feel to him.

 

[CaneFan79]

Everytime one of these threads come up, I just go here:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

or if you don't want to read:

[video]https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview[/video]

Any argument about why certain schools get ballers, So Fla or anywhere else, starts and ends with the bagmen.

 

[paksat]

And that has what to do with the topic of team chemistry and mental focus?

The point is obvious. South Florida players seem to have the "mental focus" when they play for other teams.

It's not that complicated. Al Golden is unemployed. Larry Coker is unemployed. Randy Shannon is a Group of Five defensive coordinator. That has been our problem.

Richt has already improved us by a win both years. If he caps out at the level of his Georgia teams, it's not a "Miami culture" issue. It's a Richt issue.

Surroundings matter. 99 percent of Georgia and Alabama rosters are made up of kids from SEC country.

And the "blame the coaches" excuse train has run out of steam. At least with me. I'm done doing that. If four head coaches and who knows how many coordinators with every scheme imaginable tried can't get these kids to produce, then at some point it's on the kids.

You guys wanted a miami guy, you got a Miami native and the second winningest SEC coach in Mark Richt. You wanted to run an attacking one gap 4-3, you got it in spades. And you got the best defensive line coach in America.

You got the facilities upgrades. You got the admin to spend money on coaches. We fired Swasey.

You simply can't blame coaching anymore with a straight face.

We were 10-3 this year. That’s a pretty typical Rick season. I have hope that with the influx of better players, if we can keep them here for enough time to help, we might be an occasional playoff/NC competitor just like he was at UGA.

Why do you expect Rick to get better results here than he did over a 15 year sample size at UGA? He was 10-3 most of the time with mostly Georgia HS players, and that’s what he just did with mostly Florida players.

I think MR was a much better coach in his early days at UGA. The SEC East was much better back then than it is today. I don't think he is, or will be, the coach at Miami that he was in his early days at UGA. He had some **** good teams back then. He is lucky to be in arguably the worst division in college football within a power 5 conference. The SEC East has the ability to become very good again with Florida and Tenn possibly getting their collective sht together with new hires. The Coastal is Miami and Va Tech, that's about it.

Yeah he won 10 games this year, but he also lost to the two best teams he coached against, one being a complete *** kicking. His wins weren't all that impressive when you go game by game and break those games and teams down.

He had a 4 game losing streak last year, and a 3 game losing streak this year. That's not good no matter how you slice it.

Just because he was a good fit following the debacles of the last couple of coaches doesn't mean he is the coach to get Miami over the top.

He has the burned out feel to him.

hurricane vision's posts suggest otherwise

we have WR's breaking free and wide open vs everyone

we just:

a. don't have the qb to throw it to them

b. don't have the offensive line to provide the time to get that throw to them

c. both a and b

 

[LPK2006]

Everytime one of these threads come up, I just go here:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

or if you don't want to read:

[video]https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview[/video]

Any argument about why certain schools get ballers, So Fla or anywhere else, starts and ends with the bagmen.

God, that is disgusting. Think we have bagmen who have been better at being discreet than Luther Campbell and Nevin Shapiro? I'd like to believe we don't, but I'm not naive. If we do, it can't possibly be on the same scale as exists in the SEC. Not as many potential boosters, and plus, I don't think the South Florida metro area is as conducive to this kind of thing, since we actually have a major market media presence that always likes to try to connect the dots on this stuff.

 

[CaneFan79]

Everytime one of these threads come up, I just go here:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

or if you don't want to read:

[video]https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview[/video]

Any argument about why certain schools get ballers, So Fla or anywhere else, starts and ends with the bagmen.

God, that is disgusting. Think we have bagmen who have been better at being discreet than Luther Campbell and Nevin Shapiro? I'd like to believe we don't, but I'm not naive. If we do, it can't possibly be on the same scale as exists in the SEC. Not as many potential boosters, and plus, I don't think the South Florida metro area is as conducive to this kind of thing, since we actually have a major market media presence that always likes to try to connect the dots on this stuff.

No, they operate in in an even easier hiding in plain sight mode because local media is chasing Jeter stories now (before it was Lebron, Wade, etc.)

Think of the influx of workers from other states during this winter. As some have stated, the early signing period helps Miami, but don't mention why...It's easy, less bagmen. Right now, South Florida has a ton of out of staters down for work. A lot of them have "tasks" that include making payments to finish strong for their schools.

Anybody telling you the bagmen are not a big factor in So Fla recruiting is ignorant or lying.

 

[Meat]

Half of the offensive touchdowns in the College Football Playoff were scored by South Florida players. Seven out of 14.

Great theory, though.

And that has what to do with the topic of team chemistry and mental focus?

The point is obvious. South Florida players seem to have the "mental focus" when they play for other teams.

It's not that complicated. Al Golden is unemployed. Larry Coker is unemployed. Randy Shannon is a Group of Five defensive coordinator. That has been our problem.

Richt has already improved us by a win both years. If he caps out at the level of his Georgia teams, it's not a "Miami culture" issue. It's a Richt issue.

Surroundings matter. 99 percent of Georgia and Alabama rosters are made up of kids from SEC country.

And the "blame the coaches" excuse train has run out of steam. At least with me. I'm done doing that. If four head coaches and who knows how many coordinators with every scheme imaginable tried can't get these kids to produce, then at some point it's on the kids.

You guys wanted a miami guy, you got a Miami native and the second winningest SEC coach in Mark Richt. You wanted to run an attacking one gap 4-3, you got it in spades. And you got the best defensive line coach in America.

You got the facilities upgrades. You got the admin to spend money on coaches. We fired Swasey.

You simply can't blame coaching anymore with a straight face.

We were 10-3 this year. That’s a pretty typical Rick season. I have hope that with the influx of better players, if we can keep them here for enough time to help, we might be an occasional playoff/NC competitor just like he was at UGA.

Why do you expect Rick to get better results here than he did over a 15 year sample size at UGA? He was 10-3 most of the time with mostly Georgia HS players, and that’s what he just did with mostly Florida players.

I'd say "expect" and "hope" are two different things.

As a fan, I'm rooting for him to make the leap. But do I expect it? Ask me that after signing day - realest answer. I believe success at the college level is determined by how well we are able to recruit, and so we'll learn a lot in a couple weeks where we are.

I will say this, though. If you go try to hire a coach tomorrow, you're not getting one with a better batting average and against better competition than what Richt had at Georgia. This was the best hire we could get. Realistically, we would end up taking Cristobal from Oregon or Kiffin from FIU if **** hit the fan. So this is it.

Richt is the most qualified head coach we've hired since Howard, on paper. And a lot of people, including me, are going to feel that if you can't win with Richt, if the man with the second most wins in the SEC can't get it done, then it just ain't gonna happen.

My sense is that the admin feel the same way. They spent a fortune on this guy. And he's great for the school's image. And if you look back on CIS to when he was hired, you got everything you wanted: a Miami one gap attacking 4-3, a great recruiter, someone who came from Georgia and not Temple, a staff that understands South Florida, a spread offense, we fired Swasey... basically you got your wishlist wrapped up in a bow.

So IMO we're gonna ride or die with this guy. All the chips are on the table.

 

[Meat]

Using UGA as the obvious example, just pointing out that they currently have exactly four players from South Florida on their 2-deep roster (unless I'm missing someone.) Sony Michel, Javon Wims, Riley Ridley, and DeAndre Baker - a RB, a DB, and 2 WRs. Everyone else is from Georgia, Louisiana, one from Mississippi, one from Jax...

That's five of their touchdowns on Monday, their best corner and another receiver who plays.

And the obvious point is that Georgia is a 12-hour drive away, and they still depend on "mentally weak" South Florida guys to get to the top.

Absolutely - it seems more like elite teams are cherry picking the elite So. Fla recruits, rather than "stockpiling" them, if you get me. The issue is multifold, and involves on-field production (finally starting to happen), but also involves battling schools with the kind of "support" *wink wink* that we simply don't have. There's no easy answer here. It's less about South Florida athletes being soft, and more about them being savvy enough to know where their bread can be buttered, as it were. Hence the dreaded "business decision."

If you call cheating and breaking the NCAA rules being "savvy."

To me, being a traitor to your hometown with no sense of pride in where you come from, taking illegal money under the table (basically a bribe), being a frontrunner... these things show a lack character and make all of South Florida look like a dirty cesspool.

 

[KATKER]

Look around the NFL and College Football and you'll see why South Florida kids are entitled. You can't win without them.

Go to 90% of college campuses across the Country no matter what level of competition and there will be a crew of Florida boys.

Wow have you ever been to TX and seen those guys or even Cali. Wake up and look at the rosters Texas is everywhere especially the big market paday programs. The Cane's will get back there but they got to add a few out of state talent along with the S.Floridans to toughen them up.

You're from Texas so I get the bias. Excellent football players from there. Look, College and NFL football is dominated by Florida and specifically South Florida.

Does Miami need to cherry pick here and there. I'd love to take a few Lineman from the Midwest. I'd be happy to bring in a DT from Texas.

Fact is people want to know why Miami kids feel entitled? It's because Miami and Florida as a whole has been the most successful in the last 30 years

 

[Meat]

Look around the NFL and College Football and you'll see why South Florida kids are entitled. You can't win without them.

Go to 90% of college campuses across the Country no matter what level of competition and there will be a crew of Florida boys.

Wow have you ever been to TX and seen those guys or even Cali. Wake up and look at the rosters Texas is everywhere especially the big market paday programs. The Cane's will get back there but they got to add a few out of state talent along with the S.Floridans to toughen them up.

You're from Texas so I get the bias. Excellent football players from there. Look, College and NFL football is dominated by Florida and specifically South Florida.

Does Miami need to cherry pick here and there. I'd love to take a few Lineman from the Midwest. I'd be happy to bring in a DT from Texas.

Fact is people want to know why Miami kids feel entitled? It's because Miami and Florida as a whole has been the most successful in the last 30 years

How come a team full of South Florida kids hasn't won **** in the last 30 years, if that's the case?

 

[PlanoCane]

Mentality of some are just weak. Every state gets cherry picked bias because I see guys in my backyard lead OSU to a Natty, Bama back to back with a wildcat RB/QB, and Okie with a walk-on Tex QB as well as blah blah blah. The Cane's will be great again when the winning starts and players all over fall for the South Beach backdrop and the style of play. Bagmen are everywhere but don't you think it's too early after getting close to the D.penalty to be brazen like Bama and OSU. The U will be back soon and part of it will be because of guys like Berrios mixed with a few locals that give there all for the good of them and the culture.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

Meat is garbage. All these peasants from other states are just so insecure about the fact that south florida has by far the best football players.

 

[JgDaCane]

I think we're getting away from those soft recruits more & more. This class is full of dogs & so was lasts. I think we're going to be just fine.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

Mentality of some are just weak. Every state gets cherry picked bias because I see guys in my backyard lead OSU to a Natty, Bama back to back with a wildcat RB/QB, and Okie with a walk-on Tex QB as well as blah blah blah. The Cane's will be great again when the winning starts and players all over fall for the South Beach backdrop and the style of play. Bagmen are everywhere but don't you think it's too early after getting close to the D.penalty to be brazen like Bama and OSU. The U will be back soon and part of it will be because of guys like Berrios mixed with a few locals that give there all for the good of them and the culture.

Stick to Texas football please. More “mentally tough” kids who populate college teams that have won a grand total of one title in like 45 years.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

Who are our “soft recruits?”