Mentality.

[Tit-e-skr]

Half of the offensive touchdowns in the College Football Playoff were scored by South Florida players. Seven out of 14.

Great theory, though.

How many blocks, tackles, completions thrown, completions caught, etc etc were made by non SF players?

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

LOL...yet Garvin made a Cali kid tuck tail and run home to mommy.

Had another Cali kid (Kaaya) who had no business leaving early tuck tail because He couldn't take the criticism.

And how many Nu Joizee tough guys have tucked tail recently?

 

[sitzee]

It's not the players, it's been the coaching. How many players with the last 2 coaching staff's went undrafted to become starters in the NFL? Hopefully, Richt & his staff can Coach these palyers to their full potential, and start bringing back that UM Mentality?

 

[DMoney]

How many blocks, tackles, completions thrown, completions caught, etc etc were made by non SF players?

Lamar Jackson would have done just fine. So would Nick Bosa, Joe Jackson, Brian Burns, RJ McIntosh, Skai Moore and countless others. I won't even get into DBs.

As for blocking, we need to recruit nationally. The problem is that our soft-minded South Florida kids keep beating out our blue-collar OOS linemen like Dykstra and Milo.

 

[DTP]

It's on the staff to recruit and convince guys to "buy in". I know that term is usually associated with boring coach speak but if you can't get guys to put the team first, you're going to get a lot of what we've seen here over the last decade plus. Over-hyped and overrated guys who have me first mentalities.

 

[kmwcane]

South Florida high school football is definitely softer than it used to be. I attend enough games per year to get a sense of that. I posted the same thing several years ago here and got ripped. Who cares? There's some type of aura here attached to the local kids. It's fine if you cherry pick a few and otherwise install them in a tough environment. But when you've got a roster full of those kids it's like a prancing parade with everyone wanting a running clock type of high school game...celebrations galore. Screen pass mentality.

Yes, the turnover chain is a perfect fit for that type of roster. Meanwhile Alabama players would be snarling and snapping that turnover chain in half using two fingers apiece.

South Florida defensive tackles suck. I can't say its getting worse because it's never any good.

With a mentality like this we need more astonishing players to win a national championship. That's the unfriendly bottom line. Look at that early 2000s set of players. Yet it equated to one national championship. Alabama yawns and wins more than that in any 3 year period.

Every year there are touts on this site of how many players we placed in the NFL, how many of our guys unexpectedly made a roster and are contributing. Big deal. It is not a 1-1 relationship with other premier programs. We need more elite players period. The Canes are so flash dependent that there's a glass jaw tendency, one that hasn't gone away in more than three decades. Blue collar teams have no chance to expose Alabama and hold them to next to nothing in a title setting. Yet it happened to great Canes teams repeatedly. Once those prancing touchdowns aren't flowing like a high school game we panic and have little to fall back on.

Why do you even claim to be a Miami fan? You hate everything about Miami and its personality as evidenced by your constant worship of Alabama and other "blue collar" teams.

 

[58straight]

Miami handled plenty of "blue collar" teams with ease in the past , **** you dont get more tough and blue collar than the guy in my avatar and cortez kennedy, I agree we do need to get back to more toughness in the trenches but dont act like it was never there

[video=youtube;odOrwlpqQeE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odOrwlpqQeE[/video]

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

As for blocking, we need to recruit nationally.

No we don't, we can find most of the talent we need in SoFla.

And there's nothing "blue collar" about Milo, that kid is from the Hills in LA.

 

[Pearson704]

The mentality around the Miami program, and around the South Florida football community at large since the Coker days, has just been weak-minded and entitled. Straight diva ****.

We think that just because a kid is from South Florida, or just because a kid has the "U" plastered on the side of his helmet, that he's automatically superior to anybody else. We ALWAYS overrate our players, and we ALWAYS think we have better talent than any of the teams we play.

Nevermind that it took us over a decade to win the Coastal, or that we haven't won **** since 2001.... nah we just tell ourselves we are better.

And when **** inevitably goes wrong, we always have the same fallback excuse. The same complaint every time....different coach, same complaint. Since it can't ever be the kids, we ALWAYS blame X's and O's.

Coker, Shannon, Golden... all had talented players (or so we're told), they were just dummies with X's and O's.

They said Shannon ran his vanilla defense and went through a string of ****** OC's, each with his own X's and O's problems (Patrick Nix's bubbles, Whipple's reliance on big plays). Golden had dorito's "bend don't break" defense and Fisch's bubble screens. Richt? Outdated offense, no motion, offense straight out of the 90's. Of course it never occurs to any of us that maybe the players just aren't that great.

Here's the bottom line.

The kids from Miami have egos that don't match their production. Point blank. They're not as good as they think they are. And that's true at the high school level as well as the ones currently at UM. And that's the fault of the coaches, the handlers, the families, the friends, and the community at large who think that just because the Canes dominated 30 years ago, that somehow these players today don't have to work for it or earn it.

Yeah, you get one or two kids like Jaquan Johnson who have that old school Canes mentality and work ethic and who are willing to do what it takes to achieve greatness, but kids like him are too few and far between.

Too few and far between. We used to fill a whole team with guys like Jaquan Johnson.

There is way too much entitlement, way too much "feeding the fam," way too much respecting of stupid decisions and frankly way too much feeding in to the egos of kids who straight up do not deserve it because they haven't earned it.

None of that would be a problem, except that they don't feel like they have to put in the time, focus and work to become great.

Do you think this team took Wisconsin seriously? Or Pitt? Do you think they have the hunger or the attitude of a team like UCF?

The soft Miami culture is something that needs to change. And it's bigger than just the head coach. It's a city of Miami problem. People in this community need to stop stroking these kids ego's, and stop giving these kids credit for **** that happened before they were even born.

RESPECT NEEDS TO BE EARNED, NEVER GIVEN.

We can be great, and we can win national titles, but to do this we need to get back to the winning culture we had back in the day... back when we were hungry and wanted it. We saw flashes of it against Notre Dame and VT.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure it will offend people, but it's something to think about.

I think you're highly emotional as a result of unrealistic expectations. The reason we haven't been successful is recruiting, depth, and coaching. The playoff QBs and the offensive/defensive lines on those teams are head and shoulders above what []_[] currently have. Richt needs a few (more than 2) classes to establish an identity and develop the depth to compete with the best teams in the country.

Wipe away the tears for a moment and reflect on the following...

1. Malik Rosier threw 30+ TDs at QB and started 10-0
2. []_[] finally won the coastal division while demolishing ND and VT.
3. []_[] lost your top 3 offensive starters to injury at WR, TE, and RB.
4. []_[] broke ground on a new IPF
5. []_[] started a grass-roots recruiting campaign throughout the 3 counties that will pay dividends moving forward.
6. []_[] are 2 years into this Richt program following AL GOLDEN

Miami did very well to reach the Orange Bowl with all things considered and almost played their way into the final four... As the year played out, it became clear we weren't ready to compete with the best teams in the country. Richt did the best job he could with all things considered and was the coach of the year as a result. Only time will tell if we can compete with the big-boys next season, but we need better play at QB and more talent/depth in the trenches.

 

[Gatorhater]

Or are we relegated to celebrating Florida guys scoring for other teams or amount of NFL talent from down here?

The problem isn't Miami players. They are the most successful group of players at the college and NFL level.

Blaming them for our failures is like blaming the hot girl when you can't get any ****. The problem is Miami. There's a reason why Golden and Coker are unemployed and why Shannon has a **** job.

Now just wait one minute! Are you say that when a hot chick throws a drink in your lap it is NOT her fault? I'm going to need a lot therapy to get over that realization. D, you need to keep that sort of stuff to yourself.

 

[Meat]

Half of the offensive touchdowns in the College Football Playoff were scored by South Florida players. Seven out of 14.

Great theory, though.

And that has what to do with the topic of team chemistry and mental focus?

The fact that Sony Michel and Calvin Ridley are talented has literally zero to do with the topic at hand

 

[DMoney]

Half of the offensive touchdowns in the College Football Playoff were scored by South Florida players. Seven out of 14.

Great theory, though.

And that has what to do with the topic of team chemistry and mental focus?

The point is obvious. South Florida players seem to have the "mental focus" when they play for other teams.

It's not that complicated. Al Golden is unemployed. Larry Coker is unemployed. Randy Shannon is a Group of Five defensive coordinator. That has been our problem.

Richt has already improved us by a win both years. If he caps out at the level of his Georgia teams, it's not a "Miami culture" issue. It's a Richt issue.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

And that has what to do with the topic of team chemistry and mental focus?

What focus are you talking about?....kids thinking about leaving early?

If so, get over it.

It's not just a "Miami thing", every big time program goes through 3 & Done attrition, it's the coaches job to manage it and keep the kids focused if their's more games to play.

 

[LPK2006]

It's a question worth asking, IMO. Mind you, I'm not suggesting we abandon our strategy of recruiting South Florida.....but there may be something to it. What other schools try to load their rosters with near-exclusively South Florida talent? It's Miami, Florida State, and Florida, more or less. The funny thing is, haven't each of those schools had problems with weak-minded, entitled, diva players for many years now? FSU only won a title because they hit on the generational talents of Crab Legs and Dalvin Cook, but otherwise, they have had their issues too.

 

[Meat]

Half of the offensive touchdowns in the College Football Playoff were scored by South Florida players. Seven out of 14.

Great theory, though.

And that has what to do with the topic of team chemistry and mental focus?

The point is obvious. South Florida players seem to have the "mental focus" when they play for other teams.

It's not that complicated. Al Golden is unemployed. Larry Coker is unemployed. Randy Shannon is a Group of Five defensive coordinator. That has been our problem.

Richt has already improved us by a win both years. If he caps out at the level of his Georgia teams, it's not a "Miami culture" issue. It's a Richt issue.

Surroundings matter. 99 percent of Georgia and Alabama rosters are made up of kids from SEC country.

And the "blame the coaches" excuse train has run out of steam. At least with me. I'm done doing that. If four head coaches and who knows how many coordinators with every scheme imaginable tried can't get these kids to produce, then at some point it's on the kids.

You guys wanted a miami guy, you got a Miami native and the second winningest SEC coach in Mark Richt. You wanted to run an attacking one gap 4-3, you got it in spades. And you got the best defensive line coach in America.

You got the facilities upgrades. You got the admin to spend money on coaches. We fired Swasey.

You simply can't blame coaching anymore with a straight face.

 

[King Slayer]

South Florida high school football is definitely softer than it used to be. I attend enough games per year to get a sense of that. I posted the same thing several years ago here and got ripped. Who cares? There's some type of aura here attached to the local kids. It's fine if you cherry pick a few and otherwise install them in a tough environment. But when you've got a roster full of those kids it's like a prancing parade with everyone wanting a running clock type of high school game...celebrations galore. Screen pass mentality.

Yes, the turnover chain is a perfect fit for that type of roster. Meanwhile Alabama players would be snarling and snapping that turnover chain in half using two fingers apiece.

Bama players have a belt dumbass and UGA has a gold ***** pad

 

[DMoney]

You simply can't blame coaching anymore with a straight face.

What? The market blames our coaches. No one is hiring Golden as head coach. No one is hiring Shannon. No one is hiring Coker.

For comparison, look at the job Muschamp got after going 4-8 with Florida. Everybody knows our coaches were the problem.

Richt's last two seasons at Georgia were 10 wins and 9 wins. His first two seasons at Miami were 9 wins and 10 wins. He's getting the same results here that he did there, despite Georgia kids having the "SEC mentality" (whatever that means).

I think there's another level he can get to. But if he doesn't get there, I'll blame Richt. I won't blame the most desirable recruiting ground in America.

 

[Bennubird]

[MENTION=15255]Meat[/MENTION] so what then is the solution? Is it to stop recruiting south Florida? I get your frustration with kids that openly commit early to us and then make a public announcement about a "Business decision" to join another program. I get the frustration with guys who are on our squad who leave early, when, too often, it's clear that they should work to get better and to get more experience before leaving. But what is the solution?

I think history is on the side of the performance of south Florida players from little league to the NFL. They do produce. We've just got to figure out how to get, retain, and maximize the potential of the top players from south Florida. And to be fair, we have done that. You mentioned JJ, and we know there are others. Richt is just getting started, and our sample size remains small. We just completed year two, and it was another step in the right direction.

As to the previous coaches, you would slap anyone who even suggested bringing back Coker, Shannon, or Golden. And you would not be alone.

There is actually a lot to be excited about our program in spite of what is happening in the moment. The trajectory of the program is arching towards success, not without issues and concerns, DT recruiting chief among them for me, but certainly much better off than we've been in recent memory.

 

[ghost2]

Using UGA as the obvious example, just pointing out that they currently have exactly four players from South Florida on their 2-deep roster (unless I'm missing someone.) Sony Michel, Javon Wims, Riley Ridley, and DeAndre Baker - a RB, a DB, and 2 WRs. Everyone else is from Georgia, Louisiana, one from Mississippi, one from Jax...

I can take a look at Bama's too, but make of it what you will. Or don't.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

It's a question worth asking, IMO. Mind you, I'm not suggesting we abandon our strategy of recruiting South Florida.....but there may be something to it. What other schools try to load their rosters with near-exclusively South Florida talent? It's Miami, Florida State, and Florida, more or less. The funny thing is, haven't each of those schools had problems with weak-minded, entitled, diva players for many years now? FSU only won a title because they hit on the generational talents of Crab Legs and Dalvin Cook, but otherwise, they have had their issues too.

LOL...Strong killed it with SoFla kids at Louisville.