MEGA Mega Merged Stadium Thread.

[Brains]

Its not for us as fans to come up with the next logical steps. The only thing the FANS should be doing at this point is supporting and hoping that this can eventually get done. The only thing the FANS should be doing is educating themselves on WHY it would be a significant benefit to the program long term, and then continue to broadcast in every way possible how much you desire this outcome.

Ruiz is wealthy. He has chosen to take the lead on this, among other things. Its 2023. We are all old enough to have seen influential people with money accomplish seemingly impossible things in this country. I saw a basketball arena go up right in the middle of downtown Brooklyn against significant odds and opposition. Yes I understand it is completely different, from the infrastructure (subways), land needed vs a football stadium but there was significant opposition nonetheless.

Root for the man and lets hope that money can buy very intelligent people, with the means and resources to accomplish the “impossible.”

Very well said

 

[Atom Atlas]

Real ?; why is this ur concern? And I’m not being an a-hole, vs. curious.

Again, as a Miami Hurricanes fan, whatever HRS hold in an addition to renting a stadium to us is of no consequence & benefit. I’m just curious as to this position.

It's not about JRS... It's more about whoever is putting up the money and the ROI involved...
Has it ever been defined that UM would play rent free and collect profits from games??..
If it were on campus ( which we know it won't be) I could understand but being off it creates a whole new animal to tame... Believe me I would love for us to have a place but it won't survive on just 6- 7 games a year from us... You need to be able to attract other sources of revenue and honestly there's a ton of other venues that have most markets covered in that regard.... Hope that makes sense... Lol

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Look, this is the same-old same-old bull**** that the Never-Stadium crew pulls. They slime the board with their negativity and cynical comments, and then when they are called out on it, they passive-aggressively tell us about how they are just trying to be "realistic" and how they are "keeping it realz, bro".

There's only a couple of people on this board who have consistently and honestly and eloquently stated any valid reasons against a stadium. For instance, @OriginalCanesCanesCanes has accurately discussed the problems with any political governance body in Dade doing what it takes to get this done. And @rsa coral gables has been very compelling in making the case against using a public park (Tropical) for this project.

Almost everyone else is the same ankle-biting naysayers who have provided ZERO good ideas or alternatives for decades, while cackling like class clowns in the back of the room and fake-acting as if they are smarter than everyone else.

 

[Rellyrell]

Its not ab

It's not about JRS... It's more about whoever is putting up the money and the ROI involved...
Has it ever been defined that UM would play rent free and collect profits from games??..
If it were on campus ( which we know it won't be) I could understand but being off it creates a whole new animal to tame... Believe me I would love for us to have a place but it won't survive on just 6- 7 games a year from us... You need to be able to attract other sources of revenue and honestly there's a ton of other venues that have most markets covered in that regard.... Hope that makes sense... Lol

I agree, & I’m going to assume that other events will be held here b/c to ur point, survival of just a few games/yr is impossible. In fact, there’s no stadium or arena I can remotely think of either collegiately or professionally only use those facilities for strictly whoever plays there. U have to earn further revenue by outside events.

However, I’ve also made it clear that if we’re not in some sort of managing partnership capacity where we benefit financially from those outside ventures, (ala SC & UCLA) then it’s not worth it. With that being said, recalling Ruiz Jr interview w/ Pete, one of the things he said was trying to help Miami create another revenue stream source w/ this stadium, which implied to me, they’ll have some sort of financial incentive tied to it.

That’s my only concern; right now, HRS is the home of the Miami Dolphins & the revenue stream of Ross. From stadium design, color scheme, merchandise available, to profits, it’s all Ross & Dolphins. If The Canes r put in a position where they are able to capitalize off of ticket, merchandise, & outside venture sales, then y not IF it’s feasible, which we know is still long shot.

My only issue is not the skepticism, jaded, or critical views of it being remotely a possibility, it’s a segment openly rooting that it doesn’t happen. That’s weird to me; but, if imma be honest, there’s a lot of weird chit that happens amongst this fan base that I don’t get (primarily hoping to be right vs. the betterment of the program or going to great lengths to defend coaches from other programs), so none of this should surprise or shock me.

 

[rsa coral gables]

No sir, there are many who’ve posted on here they would fight against it. There’s a very easy difference to see between someone being realistic about it happening versus not wanting it to happen. I didn’t read all that

i am one of them. as a conservative, i don't believe we should use taxpayer assets (a park) for a private football stadium. i support a stadium anywhere else, but i don't think it is feasible. the land acquisition cost would be astronomical. you need around 200 acres. and most if not all sites that are 200 acres are either near homestead or NW Miami Dade County, which does not resolve the "close to the school concept" which IMO is a red herring. the incremental number of UM students that will go a game at tropical versus HRS is probably less than 500.

 

[rsa coral gables]

It is wild to me how many people are straight up against Miami having their own stadium.

i dont think that's the case. i think you are conflating where to locate a new stadium with fans dont want their own stadium. i would think a vast majority would want one, the location is the issue

 

[rsa coral gables]

I agree, & I’m going to assume that other events will be held here b/c to ur point, survival of just a few games/yr is impossible. In fact, there’s no stadium or arena I can remotely think of either a collegiate or professionally only use those facilities for strictly whoever plays there. U have to earn further revenue by outside events.

However, I’ve also made it clear that if we’re not in some sort of managing partnership capacity where we benefit from financially from those outside ventures, (ala SC & UCLA) then it’s not worth it. With that being said, recalling Ruiz Jr interview w/ Pete, one of the things he said was trying to help Miami create another revenue stream source w/ this stadium, which implied to me, they’ll have some sort of financial incentive tied to it.

That’s my only concern; right now, HRS is the home of the Miami Dolphins & the revenue stream of Ross. From stadium design, color scheme, merchandise available, to profits, it’s all Ross & Dolphins. If The Canes r put in a position where they are able to capitalize off of ticket, merchandise, & outside venture sales, then y not IF it’s feasible, which we know is still long shot.

My only issue is not the skepticism, jaded, or critical views of it being remotely a possibility, it’s a segment openly rooting that it doesn’t happen. That’s weird to me; but, if imma be honest, there’s a lot of weird chit that happens amongst this fan base that I don’t get (primarily hoping to be right vs. the betterment of the program or going to great lengths to defend coaches from other programs), so none of this should surprise or shock me.

i cannot see ruiz giving up managerial control of the project if he's putting in the equity. Is UM going to put in a majority of equity? i doubt it and i doubt the trustees would approve it. i am guessing but miami's best case scenario is to be a tenant in a branded stadium, but a tenant nevertheless with little other upside. not a lot gained IMO

 

[TheOriginalCane]

i dont think that's the case. i think you are conflating where to locate a new stadium with fans dont want their own stadium. i would think a vast majority would want one, the location is the issue

I have consistently pointed out the perfect location for a stadium.

We STILL have porsters who root against a stadium.

 

[Rellyrell]

i cannot see ruiz giving up managerial control of the project if he's putting in the equity. Is UM going to put in a majority of equity? i doubt it and i doubt the trustees would approve it. i am guessing but miami's best case scenario is to be a tenant in a branded stadium, but a tenant nevertheless with little other upside. not a lot gained IMO

U bring up good points, on two fronts. Which is y my only contingency on all of this is simple:

If it doesn’t yield profits for the school & only benefits Ruiz, it’ll be HRS South w/ Miami Hurricane colors. I’m only interested in a new stadium if it’s benefiting Miami financially. Location be damned b/c I don’t live there. Lol. Although, it would make more sense, just seeing some student-athlete & student body comments regarding being closer to campus.

 

[RightSaidFred]

I still think we should build the stadium ON CAMPUS or tear down that high school across the street and build on that land. But tropical park could work and no matter what, it will be an improvement over renting a stadium in miami gardens

 

[DerpaDerp]

I have consistently pointed out the perfect location for a stadium.

We STILL have porsters who root against a stadium.

I am not privy to where it might be, if its not Tropical Park, where are you indicating would work?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I am not privy to where it might be, if its not Tropical Park, where are you indicating would work?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Give me a ******* break...every last thing on this property is relocatable...

 

[DerpaDerp]

Yeah but, granted its in Little Havana, why do downtown like that again?
A few observations: Magic City Casino might not want a stadium right there as people try and park there instead of parking there and coming in to give them free $$.
Not sure the property is for sale either, but anything is really for sale isn't it?
MIA is right behind it. NO blimp coverage. but who cares. Also no banners for ****** coaching jobs, a few here care because they'll support a lush right up until he gets escorted to rehab, then jump on like they were prescient about it all along.
Then, the thing is we resort to $20 no blocky. I wasn't a fan of that then, less so today.

traffic in and out would be a nightmare.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Yeah but, granted its in Little Havana, why do downtown like that again?
A few observations: Magic City Casino might not want a stadium right there as people try and park there instead of parking there and coming in to give them free $$.
Not sure the property is for sale either, but anything is really for sale isn't it?
MIA is right behind it. NO blimp coverage. but who cares. Also no banners for ****** coaching jobs, a few here care because they'll support a lush right up until he gets escorted to rehab, then jump on like they were prescient about it all along.
Then, the thing is we resort to $20 no blocky. I wasn't a fan of that then, less so today.

traffic in and out would be a nightmare.

What?

The only reason we lost the Orange Bowl site was because of corrupt David Samson and the Marlins. Not because it was in Little Havana or downtown. Also, if you just look at a map, the site is even CLOSER to the UM campus than the Orange Bowl was. All we'd have to do is run shuttles up LeJeune from the campus, we wouldn't even have to put students on the MetroRail like we used to do.

As for Magic City Casino...**** MAGIC CITY CASINO. Why should we care about what they might and might not want? I can't believe you are making an argument based on cheap people trying to park in a dirt-mall shopping center parking lot to walk across NW 7th Street to a cut-rate dog-track casino. Besides, you could easily work out a deal to let Magic City Casino lease some of the parking SINCE WE'D ONLY BE USING ALL THE PARKING 7 TIMES PER YEAR FOR 8-10 HOURS PER EVENT.

Not sure the property is for sale? EVERYTHING is for sale. And, again, it would NOT require some of the expenditures that Tropical or other sites would need. It would be served by the LeJeune and Douglas exits off of the 836, so it would not require major roadway improvements.

Traffic in and out would be a nightmare? THIS RIGHT HERE is the proof that we have some degenerate "never-stadium" dweebs who will find any and every excuse to fight against a stadium. You IGNORE the fact that it is right off of the 836 and has major access to both expressway-type roads (95, 836, 112, 826) AND some of the largest surface roads in Dade.

But you're talking about whether we'd have "the blimp" at a game. When is the last time the Goodyear Blimp was flying over a University of Miami home game? What the ****, is this 1973 or 2023?

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

The question is, and this is what I’m waiting for, what site has Ruiz targeted.

We know about tropical park, but we also know the governmental/resident approval obstacles that would face that particular site.

I just want to know when the next step will be taken, which is affirmation of a site where the interested parties are at the very least at the negotiating table, and therefore preliminary plans plans can be made.

Until we’re at that step in the process, it’s not something I’m going to give a whole lot of serious thought to.

And of course, I would support Miami having its own stadium, and hopefully it’s own revenue stream from that stadium. We can discuss the financial details and implications later.

(ignore @RightSaidFred - anyone that seriously proposes campus as a possibility, has literally never stepped on campus)

 

[rsa coral gables]

I have consistently pointed out the perfect location for a stadium.

We STILL have porsters who root against a stadium.

you have, but that is not practical. it may be slightly enough for the stadium without parking or anything else. without some self contained parking, not likely. and from what i understand the Havenick (Hecht family) sold its interest in the former dog track across the shopping center, making use of that site a no go.

 

[Rellyrell]

What?

The only reason we lost the Orange Bowl site was because of corrupt David Samson and the Marlins. Not because it was in Little Havana or downtown. Also, if you just look at a map, the site is even CLOSER to the UM campus than the Orange Bowl was. All we'd have to do is run shuttles up LeJeune from the campus, we wouldn't even have to put students on the MetroRail like we used to do.

As for Magic City Casino...**** MAGIC CITY CASINO. Why should we care about what they might and might not want? I can't believe you are making an argument based on cheap people trying to park in a dirt-mall shopping center parking lot to walk across NW 7th Street to a cut-rate dog-track casino. Besides, you could easily work out a deal to let Magic City Casino lease some of the parking SINCE WE'D ONLY BE USING ALL THE PARKING 7 TIMES PER YEAR FOR 8-10 HOURS PER EVENT.

Not sure the property is for sale? EVERYTHING is for sale. And, again, it would NOT require some of the expenditures that Tropical or other sites would need. It would be served by the LeJeune and Douglas exits off of the 836, so it would not require major roadway improvements.

Traffic in and out would be a nightmare? THIS RIGHT HERE is the proof that we have some degenerate "never-stadium" dweebs who will find any and every excuse to fight against a stadium. You IGNORE the fact that it is right off of the 836 and has major access to both expressway-type roads (95, 836, 112, 826) AND some of the largest surface roads in Dade.

But you're talking about whether we'd have "the blimp" at a game. When is the last time the Goodyear Blimp was flying over a University of Miami home game? What the ****, is this 1973 or 2023?

Besides, you could easily work out a deal to let Magic City Casino lease some of the parking SINCE WE'D ONLY BE USING ALL THE PARKING 7 TIMES PER YEAR FOR 8-10 HOURS PER EVENT.

This is exactly what SoFi did w/ some of the local businesses around. Their parking lots are being used during game day. ****, the Kia Forum has that same agreement.

 

[rsa coral gables]

What?

The only reason we lost the Orange Bowl site was because of corrupt David Samson and the Marlins. Not because it was in Little Havana or downtown. Also, if you just look at a map, the site is even CLOSER to the UM campus than the Orange Bowl was. All we'd have to do is run shuttles up LeJeune from the campus, we wouldn't even have to put students on the MetroRail like we used to do.

As for Magic City Casino...**** MAGIC CITY CASINO. Why should we care about what they might and might not want? I can't believe you are making an argument based on cheap people trying to park in a dirt-mall shopping center parking lot to walk across NW 7th Street to a cut-rate dog-track casino. Besides, you could easily work out a deal to let Magic City Casino lease some of the parking SINCE WE'D ONLY BE USING ALL THE PARKING 7 TIMES PER YEAR FOR 8-10 HOURS PER EVENT.

Not sure the property is for sale? EVERYTHING is for sale. And, again, it would NOT require some of the expenditures that Tropical or other sites would need. It would be served by the LeJeune and Douglas exits off of the 836, so it would not require major roadway improvements.

Traffic in and out would be a nightmare? THIS RIGHT HERE is the proof that we have some degenerate "never-stadium" dweebs who will find any and every excuse to fight against a stadium. You IGNORE the fact that it is right off of the 836 and has major access to both expressway-type roads (95, 836, 112, 826) AND some of the largest surface roads in Dade.

But you're talking about whether we'd have "the blimp" at a game. When is the last time the Goodyear Blimp was flying over a University of Miami home game? What the ****, is this 1973 or 2023?

it was combination of issues, especially a total lack of vision from the city and the university way before shalala and samson. they could have rebuilt it little by little like Solider Stadium. once robbie left, it was basically over but still had a chance but there was no political will or vision and then loria and samson came in and did their deed with the help of politicians.

 

[Gables Cane]

i am one of them. as a conservative, i don't believe we should use taxpayer assets (a park) for a private football stadium. i support a stadium anywhere else, but i don't think it is feasible. the land acquisition cost would be astronomical. you need around 200 acres. and most if not all sites that are 200 acres are either near homestead or NW Miami Dade County, which does not resolve the "close to the school concept" which IMO is a red herring. the incremental number of UM students that will go a game at tropical versus HRS is probably less than 500.

Some of us see it differently.

There are many examples of using public assets for private purposes. Tropical Park itself can be used as a precedent. Since 1982 the park was used by the Schectman Family to operate Santa’s Enchanted Forrest. The amusement park operated nightly for months every year with no public outcry that a public park was being used by a for-profit business.

Ruiz is proposing to build a stadium that would not only benefit the University, but the public as well (he is proposing to rebuild the adjacent recreational facilities and the stadium will be utilized by local high schools as well). I am not naive to think Ruiz will not benefit as well, so I need to learn more about his proposal. But, to dismiss the idea simply because the land is owned by the County seems misplaced if (and that is a big “if”) the public stands to benefit as well.