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MEGA Mega Merged Stadium Thread.

Rellyrell said:
I agree, & I’m going to assume that other events will be held here b/c to ur point, survival of just a few games/yr is impossible. In fact, there’s no stadium or arena I can remotely think of either collegiately or professionally only use those facilities for strictly whoever plays there. U have to earn further revenue by outside events.

However, I’ve also made it clear that if we’re not in some sort of managing partnership capacity where we benefit financially from those outside ventures, (ala SC & UCLA) then it’s not worth it. With that being said, recalling Ruiz Jr interview w/ Pete, one of the things he said was trying to help Miami create another revenue stream source w/ this stadium, which implied to me, they’ll have some sort of financial incentive tied to it.

That’s my only concern; right now, HRS is the home of the Miami Dolphins & the revenue stream of Ross. From stadium design, color scheme, merchandise available, to profits, it’s all Ross & Dolphins. If The Canes r put in a position where they are able to capitalize off of ticket, merchandise, & outside venture sales, then y not IF it’s feasible, which we know is still long shot.

My only issue is not the skepticism, jaded, or critical views of it being remotely a possibility, it’s a segment openly rooting that it doesn’t happen. That’s weird to me; but, if imma be honest, there’s a lot of weird chit that happens amongst this fan base that I don’t get (primarily hoping to be right vs. the betterment of the program or going to great lengths to defend coaches from other programs), so none of this should surprise or shock me.
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I’m sure Nascar pays a pretty penny to use USC stadium for their new race… I’m not saying we should do that lol. You just made me think of it
 
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Gables Cane said:
Some of us see it differently.

There are many examples of using public assets for private purposes. Tropical Park itself can be used as a precedent. Since 1982 the park was used by the Schectman Family to operate Santa’s Enchanted Forrest. The amusement park operated nightly for months every year with no public outcry that a public park was being used by a for-profit business.

Ruiz is proposing to build a stadium that would not only benefit the University, but the public as well (he is proposing to rebuild the adjacent recreational facilities and the stadium will be utilized by local high schools as well). I am not naive to think Ruiz will not benefit as well, so I need to learn more about his proposal. But, to dismiss the idea simply because the land is owned by the County seems misplaced if (and that is a big “if”) the public stands to benefit as well.
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you are right, public property is used by private persons, happens every day, but the Schectman family used a sliver of an underused, almost abandoned area of the park. they didn't try to control the entire park. ruiz's plan intends on effectively taking control of the park or a vast majority of it, an important difference.

one thing is the use of small, inconsequential use of a part of the park that actually provides revenue to the county versus a re-purposing of the an entire park to be effectively controlled by a private person.

your analogy, therefore, respectfully fails.
 
rsa coral gables said:
you are right, public property is used by private persons, happens every day, but the Schectman family used a sliver of an underused, almost abandoned area of the park. they didn't try to control the entire park. ruiz's plan intends on effectively taking control of the park or a vast majority of it, an important difference.

one thing is the use of small, inconsequential use of a part of the park that actually provides revenue to the county versus a re-purposing of the an entire park to be effectively controlled by a private person.

your analogy, therefore, respectfully fails.
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Disagree. Analogy fails? Hardly.

You are assuming he is re-purposing the entire park. Based on initial renderings, he is utilizing the existing stadium property and replacing it with a new, contemporary facility. Sounds like he is significantly upgrading the current stadium and expanding its current use to include additional events. He is also improving the adjacent recreational facilities at zero cost to the taxpayer. He is not “controlling the park or the vast majority of it” as you claim.

If Ruiz’s plan was some kind of plot to obtain full control of the entire public park (there are precious few in Miami-Dade) for private (profit minded reasons), then I would agree his proposal should be rejected. However, to dismiss his plan outright merely because it involves use of a portion of the park seems shortsighted.

The public needs to learn more about his intentions before rejecting his proposal.
 
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Gables Cane said:
Disagree. Analogy fails? Hardly.

You are assuming he is re-purposing the entire park. Based on initial renderings, he is utilizing the existing stadium property and replacing it with a new, contemporary facility. Sounds like he is significantly upgrading the current stadium and expanding its current use to include additional events. He is also improving the adjacent recreational facilities at zero cost to the taxpayer. He is not “controlling the park or the vast majority of it” as you claim.

If Ruiz’s plan was some kind of plot to obtain full control of the entire public park (there are precious few in Miami-Dade) for private (profit minded reasons), then I would agree his proposal should be rejected. However, to dismiss his plan outright merely because it involves use of a portion of the park seems shortsighted.

The public needs to learn more about his intentions before rejecting his proposal.
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i dont think that's true. there is no way he can build a new stadium on the foot print of the existing stadium. plus parking garages and other improvements would require a fast amount of the park to be used for the stadium. whatever. our arguments are moot since you aren't going to convince me and i am not going to convince you either.
 
rsa coral gables said:
whatever. our arguments are moot since you aren't going to convince me and i am not going to convince you either.
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This we can agree on…

…and I also agree the new stadium footprint will exceed the current footprint, but it’s a tradeoff I can live with for new basketball courts, soccer, baseball and softball fields and other facilites…all at zero expense to the taxpayer.
 
rsa coral gables said:
you have, but that is not practical. it may be slightly enough for the stadium without parking or anything else. without some self contained parking, not likely. and from what i understand the Havenick (Hecht family) sold its interest in the former dog track across the shopping center, making use of that site a no go.
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The site is literally as large as what we had with the old Orange Bowl site. There will be a soccer stadium complex just north. The former dog track site does not have to be knocked down, per se, it would be a potential source of parking (assuming you work out a mutually beneficial deal where they use whatever parking is at the stadium for the other 358 days out of the year.

Again, your primary concern has been using Tropical Park, and this is currently-available land that is not set aside for public use.

Finally, as for the dog track/casino, you and I can have a separate conversation on how to make one of those "relocate". I worked on something similar in Daytona 15 years ago. It was actually pretty easy.
 
rsa coral gables said:
it was combination of issues, especially a total lack of vision from the city and the university way before shalala and samson. they could have rebuilt it little by little like Solider Stadium. once robbie left, it was basically over but still had a chance but there was no political will or vision and then loria and samson came in and did their deed with the help of politicians.
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Yes, I'm not denying there were decades of inaction and/or negligence prior to Shalala's term.

I was only responding to what people talk about DURING HER TIME AS PRESIDENT. In those few years from June 1, 2001 up through when the Orange Bowl was lost for good, the primary thing that moved the Orange Bowl from "voter-approved/signed contract" to "Property of the Marlins" was the Samson bribery.

But a ****load of stuff happened prior to 2001 as well.
 
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Tad Footeball said:
Exactly. I absolutely think there are plenty of people like @OriginalCanesCanesCanes that are skeptical for completely justifiable reasons and will be intellectually honest brokers when debating this issue.

But then you definitely have the opposition that you've described. These are largely individuals with ulterior motives (many geographical as they live with me in Broward or even more north) OR they're just Ruiz detractors. The last group is especially annoying because they threw in early and hard that Ruiz would never put his money where his mouth was NIL-wise or AT BEST that he'd do it for only one year to get some "cheap" publicity. Soooo now that their stance on that front has become embarrassing, they lamely retreat to joining an actual leech/fraud on the UM front in Billy Corben and can only attack the dude via his stadium aspirations and their disdain of them.
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Billy Corben has been attacking Ruiz? I didn't know that, smh that is disappointing to hear
 
Angry Ibis said:
A home game at USC would upset the Broward crowd so we probably wouldn’t do that… 😎
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Fella, I can make it from Lighthouse Point to FLL to LAX to Exposition Park in less time than I can make it from Lighthouse Point to Tropical Park for a Thursday night game against Syracuse that I'd definitely want to attend.

Now sit down in front and get off of my lawn!!!
 
Tad Footeball said:
Fella, I can make it from Lighthouse Point to FLL to LAX to Exposition Park in less time than I can make it from Lighthouse Point to Tropical Park for a Thursday night game against Syracuse that I'd definitely want to attend.

Now sit down in front and get off of my lawn!!!
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And with your United status you can tailgate in the air…

Only thing left to account for is whether USC has a Blue Lot… I’m thinking with a Fight On rallying cry, they should be able to accommodate us…
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
And I’m sure there are a few other places where one could visualize a stadium, of course, there would have to be appropriate surrounding infrastructure improvements, including roads and access. But then we get to the other issue, how much closer is it to the campus than where we are currently.

But again, when someone actually has the land secured either by purchase or lease or even verbal agreement, then we can actually talk about the next required steps to build the stadium.
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I honestly believe the idea of building a football stadium near the campus is an impossible dream based solely on the lack of available land. Now there are areas with the actual land to build a football stadium but you’re either going to have to travel much further north or south of the campus.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Anyone that actually understands, not only the environment politically in South Florida, but the actual geography, would agree that building a stadium is a Herculean task.

If he can build one fine, but I have yet to see a plan where it would be feasible. And by plan I don’t mean an architect’s sketch of what the stadium would look like, I’m talking about an actual feasible location and the logistical improvements that would need to be made.
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72% of the schools r Nike Schools??? Lol

Yeah, I don’t get how some ppl don’t understand the correlation of value, branding, revenue possibilities of either owning or operating ur own stadium. It’s absolutely mind boggling.

To note: the reason y a program like UCLA have been in the red regarding their AD is due to Covid, & Under Armour reneging on their financial obligations. UCLA is an operating partner & they make revenue from outside Rose Bowl events. Covid shut down a great portion of their revenue, but they’ll be back in the black in a couple of yrs.
 
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Rellyrell said:
72% of the schools r Nike Schools??? Lol

Yeah, I don’t get how some ppl don’t understand the correlation of value, branding, revenue possibilities of either owning or operating ur own stadium. It’s absolutely mind boggling.

To note: the reason y a program like UCLA have been in the red regarding their AD is due to Covid, & Under Armour reneging on their financial obligations. UCLA is an operating partner & they make revenue from outside Rose Bowl events. Covid shut down a great portion of their revenue, but they’ll be back in the black in a couple of yrs.
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not sure miami will get any of those benefits. let's wait and see.
 
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