Mcintosh hears from Draft Board

[Tad Footeball]

These reflexive arguments made against anyone that says a specific kid should come back as "you just want what's best for YOUR college team" or "it's not YOUR money that you're waiting on" are so much more joke than fact.

Go ahead and name all those kids that lost money by coming back for another year. Now go ahead and name all those kids that lost (or didn't even make any) money by coming out too early. One list is wayyyyyyy longer than the other.

So go ahead and label every person as a Canes homer that thinks a kid should stay another year that just got a less than desirable draft grade. Then look in the mirror because you're a whole lot worse as you're willing to endorse much riskier moves that could ***** a kid for life. Maybe setup a GoFundMe for Joe Yearby while you're contemplating it?

 

[Calinative]

Seriously all this means is that he was told he wouldn't be a 1st or 2nd round pick.

I told yall this would happen for both Norton and McIntosh, cause they really don't have much of a chance of being taken first 3 rounds.
I definitely think both can get drafted, but just not very highly.

Also, we really better hope if one of them does leave early, its McIntosh. McIntosh can more easily be replaced than Norton can.

 

[westcoastcanes]

Can you also remind me...Who is on the draft board?

The NFL Draft Advisory Board is a running joke within front offices and agents. It's a mix of scouting services and some front office personnel. People within the industry know the scouting services aren't very good, and the front office personnel treat it like college coaches treat their Top 25 ballots through the first month of the season. Additionally, some front office people are shady with their rankings based on how they want the draft to shake out with options.

Take the Advisory Board rankings with a grain of salt.

It has been mostly accurate. Majority of the time the guys they tell they wont be 1st or 2nd round picks usually dont. Everything is not something to bîtch about.

This. The advisory board has something like a 79% accuracy rate. If they tell you you're not a 1st or 2nd round talent, they're almost always right.

RJ can leave now, get drafted in the 4th or 5th round, hope to make a roster, and be easily dismissed if he doesn't pan out early. Or he can stay another year, improve draft stock, maybe actually make a lot of money up front and should he need a little development time, GMs are more likely to keep you around if you're an early pick. Guys drafted in the 5th-7th are easily axed. GM's look bad if they have to cut guys they pick in the earlier rounds. GM's want to justify their picks so they'll keep a 3rd rounder around a lot longer than a 5th rounder.

This is incorrect. Yes, 79% for round 1 or 2 seems like a good number, but a majority is based off of the obvious names who ask the advisory board, and doesn't include the guys who actually move way up from the rankings or those who just don't ask them. In reality the 79% is a number based off of a total of about 20-25 kids, when in reality there are 64 picks between the two rounds.

Trust me, RJ isn't a 4th or 5th round pick, as multiple teams (internally) have him as a 1st or 2nd round pick.

64 picks in the first two rounds will not be spent on juniors.

 

[deleted3746]

Seriously all this means is that he was told he wouldn't be a 1st or 2nd round pick.

I told yall this would happen for both Norton and McIntosh, cause they really don't have much of a chance of being taken first 3 rounds.
I definitely think both can get drafted, but just not very highly.

Also, we really better hope if one of them does leave early, its McIntosh. McIntosh can more easily be replaced than Norton can.

Lulz.

 

[jandman514]

Walton will make a team in camp because he's going to be a killer STs player. I doubt he wows anyone at the combine.

NFL teams will love him. Walton probably goes 4th round and will have a nice 7-8 year NFL career.. Elite hands and tough.. Kid is an elite Special teams player and would give his left nut to be on the field.. Will be a nice 3rd down back in the league.. Walton lost his mom and jus had a kid kid is tough as nails and might be one of the most passionate football players we ever had here.. Give me a few more Mark Walton type players on our team in the next few years and we will win a title for sure...

 

[MizCane]

Hoping RJ comes back. He will definitely get all kinds of pre-season accolades which will boost his recognition all year and be a highlighted player every time we play. If he dominates and plays as well as this year, I think it puts him in a WAY better position for the draft.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

The choices are basically:
1) leave early, go 4th or 5th round and not get paid that much (relatively) and stay in league for 4 years to get to more lucrative second contract OR
2) stay one more year and possibly work way into second or even first round, so get paid up front.

The problem with option 1 is that the average NFL career is less than 3 years, so statistically poor chance of reaching second contract (then player has double whammy of being out of with and not having a degree). Some players aren't going to improve draft stock with an extra year so not much to lose by declaring early (other than no degree). As much as I like Walton, I don't think he'd do much better than 4th round even with another year. However, I think RJ has the size /skill to have a legit shot of making a huge jump in draft, so it makes financial sense to return for another year. In terms of possible injury : fun fact is that colleges can pay insurance premiums for players and not violate ncaa rules. So UM can insure him for 5 mil or whatever amount they want and he can play without worrying that an injury will cost him a chance at $$$

 

[stormsurge]

Looking at the last three NFL drafts between 4-8 DT were drafted in rounds 1-2

Here are the projected top 10 dt coming out right now.

Does RJ crack the top 8?

2018 Top NFL Draft Prospects - Defensive Tackle
Rk Player POS POS Rk School Class HT WT
9 Maurice Hurst DT 3 Michigan Sr 6-2 282
14 Vita Vea DT 0 Washington Jr 6-5 344
22 Taven Bryan DT 0 Florida Jr 6-5 293
37 Harrison Phillips DT 0 Stanford Sr 6-4 285
48 Christian Wilkins DT 1 Clemson Jr 6-4 310
51 Da'Ron Payne DT 7 Alabama Jr 6-2 308
59 Derrick Nnadi DT 2 Florida State Sr 6-1 312
76 Dre'Mont Jones DT 5 Ohio State Soph 6-3 295
85 Rasheem Green DT 0 Southern California Jr 6-5 280
93 Dontavius Russell DT 0 Auburn Jr 6-3 310

 

[brock]

Looking at the last three NFL drafts between 4-8 DT were drafted in rounds 1-2

Here are the projected top 10 dt coming out right now.

Does RJ crack the top 8?

2018 Top NFL Draft Prospects - Defensive Tackle
Rk Player POS POS Rk School Class HT WT
9 Maurice Hurst DT 3 Michigan Sr 6-2 282
14 Vita Vea DT 0 Washington Jr 6-5 344
22 Taven Bryan DT 0 Florida Jr 6-5 293
37 Harrison Phillips DT 0 Stanford Sr 6-4 285
48 Christian Wilkins DT 1 Clemson Jr 6-4 310
51 Da'Ron Payne DT 7 Alabama Jr 6-2 308
59 Derrick Nnadi DT 2 Florida State Sr 6-1 312
76 Dre'Mont Jones DT 5 Ohio State Soph 6-3 295
85 Rasheem Green DT 0 Southern California Jr 6-5 280
93 Dontavius Russell DT 0 Auburn Jr 6-3 310

Put his stats up against most of those even with having 1 less game and I bet his numbers are similar or better. Not to mention he’s more athletic than a lot of those guys

 

[TheEye]

Have Kaaya tell him to STAY IN CORAL GABLES!!!

 

[nycane]

Kool gets dudes PAID! Both are smart to develop another year under him.

 

[252cane]

Looking at the last three NFL drafts between 4-8 DT were drafted in rounds 1-2

Here are the projected top 10 dt coming out right now.

Does RJ crack the top 8?

2018 Top NFL Draft Prospects - Defensive Tackle
Rk Player POS POS Rk School Class HT WT
9 Maurice Hurst DT 3 Michigan Sr 6-2 282
14 Vita Vea DT 0 Washington Jr 6-5 344
22 Taven Bryan DT 0 Florida Jr 6-5 293
37 Harrison Phillips DT 0 Stanford Sr 6-4 285
48 Christian Wilkins DT 1 Clemson Jr 6-4 310
51 Da'Ron Payne DT 7 Alabama Jr 6-2 308
59 Derrick Nnadi DT 2 Florida State Sr 6-1 312
76 Dre'Mont Jones DT 5 Ohio State Soph 6-3 295
85 Rasheem Green DT 0 Southern California Jr 6-5 280
93 Dontavius Russell DT 0 Auburn Jr 6-3 310

6 of the top 10 was in college for at least 4 years.

 

[DTP]

Looking at the last three NFL drafts between 4-8 DT were drafted in rounds 1-2

Here are the projected top 10 dt coming out right now.

Does RJ crack the top 8?

2018 Top NFL Draft Prospects - Defensive Tackle
Rk Player POS POS Rk School Class HT WT
9 Maurice Hurst DT 3 Michigan Sr 6-2 282
14 Vita Vea DT 0 Washington Jr 6-5 344
22 Taven Bryan DT 0 Florida Jr 6-5 293
37 Harrison Phillips DT 0 Stanford Sr 6-4 285
48 Christian Wilkins DT 1 Clemson Jr 6-4 310
51 Da'Ron Payne DT 7 Alabama Jr 6-2 308
59 Derrick Nnadi DT 2 Florida State Sr 6-1 312
76 Dre'Mont Jones DT 5 Ohio State Soph 6-3 295
85 Rasheem Green DT 0 Southern California Jr 6-5 280
93 Dontavius Russell DT 0 Auburn Jr 6-3 310

Put his stats up against most of those even with having 1 less game and I bet his numbers are similar or better. Not to mention he’s more athletic than a lot of those guys

Joe Ostman of Central Michigan leads the NCAA in sacks. He'll clearly be the first linemen drafted.

 

[BigDikCane]

He should stay...

 

[JgDaCane]

He comes back, he’ll go top 20 next year. Pretty simple choice imo.

 

[Caniac16]

These reflexive arguments made against anyone that says a specific kid should come back as "you just want what's best for YOUR college team" or "it's not YOUR money that you're waiting on" are so much more joke than fact.

Go ahead and name all those kids that lost money by coming back for another year. Now go ahead and name all those kids that lost (or didn't even make any) money by coming out too early. One list is wayyyyyyy longer than the other.

So go ahead and label every person as a Canes homer that thinks a kid should stay another year that just got a less than desirable draft grade. Then look in the mirror because you're a whole lot worse as you're willing to endorse much riskier moves that could ***** a kid for life. Maybe setup a GoFundMe for Joe Yearby while you're contemplating it?

Your argument is basically saying it's hard to make it in the NFL, which is pretty obvious.

The comparison that actually would be interesting is how many guys leave and bust compared to how many fringe juniors come back and don't increase their value. Because that's a year of your NFL life you could have been making money that you've spent in school instead.

I think RJ should stay because he strikes me as a prospect who could really improve, and help a DOMINANT Miami defense next year and that kind of exposure could really help his draft grade. From Day 1 next season people will be talking about our defense.

But your argument was a homer argument lol

 

[Dwinstitles]

**** we need this kid

 

[Ghandi]

Looking at the last three NFL drafts between 4-8 DT were drafted in rounds 1-2

Here are the projected top 10 dt coming out right now.

Does RJ crack the top 8?

2018 Top NFL Draft Prospects - Defensive Tackle
Rk Player POS POS Rk School Class HT WT
9 Maurice Hurst DT 3 Michigan Sr 6-2 282
14 Vita Vea DT 0 Washington Jr 6-5 344
22 Taven Bryan DT 0 Florida Jr 6-5 293
37 Harrison Phillips DT 0 Stanford Sr 6-4 285
48 Christian Wilkins DT 1 Clemson Jr 6-4 310
51 Da'Ron Payne DT 7 Alabama Jr 6-2 308
59 Derrick Nnadi DT 2 Florida State Sr 6-1 312
76 Dre'Mont Jones DT 5 Ohio State Soph 6-3 295
85 Rasheem Green DT 0 Southern California Jr 6-5 280
93 Dontavius Russell DT 0 Auburn Jr 6-3 310

Put his stats up against most of those even with having 1 less game and I bet his numbers are similar or better. Not to mention he’s more athletic than a lot of those guys

Joe Ostman of Central Michigan leads the NCAA in sacks. He'll clearly be the first linemen drafted.

Lmao!

Stats rarely translate into success @ the NFL level.

To put it simply, the stats don't account for level of competition and opponents.

That being said, McIntosh does have some impressive film against Notre Dame, Syracuse, and Clemson - who have pro prospects on their Offensive Lines.

 

[Tad Footeball]

These reflexive arguments made against anyone that says a specific kid should come back as "you just want what's best for YOUR college team" or "it's not YOUR money that you're waiting on" are so much more joke than fact.

Go ahead and name all those kids that lost money by coming back for another year. Now go ahead and name all those kids that lost (or didn't even make any) money by coming out too early. One list is wayyyyyyy longer than the other.

So go ahead and label every person as a Canes homer that thinks a kid should stay another year that just got a less than desirable draft grade. Then look in the mirror because you're a whole lot worse as you're willing to endorse much riskier moves that could ***** a kid for life. Maybe setup a GoFundMe for Joe Yearby while you're contemplating it?

Your argument is basically saying it's hard to make it in the NFL, which is pretty obvious.

The comparison that actually would be interesting is how many guys leave and bust compared to how many fringe juniors come back and don't increase their value. Because that's a year of your NFL life you could have been making money that you've spent in school instead.

I think RJ should stay because he strikes me as a prospect who could really improve, and help a DOMINANT Miami defense next year and that kind of exposure could really help his draft grade. From Day 1 next season people will be talking about our defense.

But your argument was a homer argument lol

No, my argument is that it's hard to get drafted and even harder to get drafted high in the NFL. 30% of the underclassmen that declared in 2017 didn't get drafted AT ALL. And these weren't guys from Akron. Travis Rudolph, Ricky Seals Jones, etc.

My point is that if you seemingly have the potential to be a higher draft pick then the risk/reward for spending one more year (for kids like McIntosh) is wayyyyyy less than rolling the dice on the Draft Advisory Board being wrong.

And I'm absolutely not a homer on this as I have no objection to Walton leaving early as he's a kid that absolutely will get drafted (unlike Yearby) playing a position that is becoming almost as devalued in the NFL as it is one where your career length is limited.

 

[bshaw28]

I think the mistake is fans often mistake possibility for probability.

Berrios had a huge Senior season, so he's the case for having a huge Senior year to improve your draft stock. But players like Chad Thomas, Darling, McDermott - they're pretty much the same players now as they were last year.

- If Yearby had returned this year, he'd have a diploma instead of being a semester away from a diploma, but probably no more likely to be drafted.
- Stacy Coley could've gone pro after his Jr. season and been a 7th round draft pick. He came back in 2016, had a good year, and was a 7th round draft pick.
- Kaaya didn't seem like that much different a QB from his Frosh to Jr. year. I doubt his Senior year would've helped his draft stock much.

McIntosh coming back and playing himself into a 1st rounder is a possibility. But it's slim. About as likely as him coming back, getting injured or regressing - which is also slim.

The most likely scenario is McIntosh leaves this year, and is a 4th-5th round pick. Or he comes back, has another good year, gets his diploma, and is a 3rd-4th round pick. I think that's what he should be contemplating.