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Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez upended the negotiations with David Beckham and his investors Monday by proposing that the group consider building a Major League Soccer stadium on the downtown waterfront — but not at PortMiami.

As an alternative, Gimenez proposed filling a massive boat slip between Museum Park and AmericanAirlines Arena, which, according to the mayor, would create enough new land for a stadium as well as a pedestrian walkway along Biscayne Bay.

“Downtown Miami will greatly benefit from the creation of a grand waterfront park that will serve to bring our urban core closer to the water, providing a magnificent bay front walk along Biscayne Bay,” Gimenez wrote in a letter late Monday to Beckham’s real-estate adviser.

The mayor’s request could significantly shift the soccer debate, which up until now has centered almost exclusively on the port’s southwest corner. That waterfront site has drawn strong opposition from some county commissioners and port interests, led by Royal Caribbean Cruises, which is headquartered next door.

PortMiami is still in play for a possible 25,000-seat, open-air stadium, Gimenez told the Miami Herald. So are other potential sites, including adjacent to the Miami Marlins’ ballpark in Little Havana.

But by formally requesting that Beckham’s group look into filling the slip and report back to the county in two weeks, the mayor is steering negotiations toward an option that had only briefly been discussed nearly six months ago.

“I’ve always said everybody needs to take a deep breath,” Gimenez said. “We’re still working through this.”

In a statement, Miami Beckham United said it will examine the feasibility of filling the slip and building a stadium, which the group has pledged to pay for using private funds. The group won approval in Tallahassee last week to apply for a state subsidy.

“Our goal from the outset has been to create a great fan experience, to provide an economic asset that creates jobs, and design a stadium that communicates the energy of Miami to the entire world,” the group said. “The Port is a strong site; however, a stadium next to AmericanAirlines Arena is an exciting possibility.”

The head of the Miami Seaport Alliance, which was organized by Royal Caribbean in opposition to a port stadium, said the organization would not put up resistance to locations outside of PortMiami’s Dodge Island.

“Whatever site the community wants to do is lovely and wonderful, and we leave it to our elected officials to decide,” said John Fox, the alliance president and a Royal Caribbean lobbyist. “Our position has always been that we’re not in favor of getting this done at the seaport.”

No one is suggesting that filling and building what is formally known as the Florida East Coast Railway slip would be easy — or cheap.

For starters, the property is owned by the city of Miami, which would have to sell it or convey it to the county. The city charter requires a public vote over the use of any waterfront property. Gimenez said municipal attorneys would have to determine if a vacant slip falls under that provision.

Shortly before Gimenez sent his letter Monday, Miami Mayor Tomás Regalado said he had not heard any “official” word on a potential interest in the slip.

“But it has been the topic of conversation many times,” he said, adding that filling it “would be a monumental task.”

In December, both Gimenez and Regalado said the possibility wasn’t under serious consideration for soccer.

Developers have long eyed the slip as one of the last remaining bayfront properties. At one point, the Marlins considered it as a possible location for their ballpark. But they nixed the idea as cost-prohibitive because of the millions of dollars it would take to pump out water and fill the site with rock trucked in from elsewhere.

In 2000, Gimenez, then Miami’s city manager, wrote in a memo that filling the entire slip would create a 9.8-acre developable site. It would require 400,000 cubic yards of fill material and the construction of a new seawall. Those improvements would have increased the value of the site to $42.7 million, Gimenez wrote at the time.

Neither Gimenez nor John Alschuler, Beckham’s real-estate adviser and one of his lobbyists, would say Monday how much the filled property could be worth today.

Gimenez did say the county estimates it would cost between $10 million and $16 million just to fill the slip using commercial material — as opposed to rocks unearthed during the ongoing PortMiami dredge, which Gimenez said might be too far along to tap as fill.

The slip has actually been on the radar for months. A Nov. 15 county email regarding topics for discussion for an upcoming soccer meeting a list of issues involving filling the slip. Among them was that environmental and building permits from several state and federal agencies would be required, including the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

But because it’s a man-made slip without any protected sea grass beneath it, Gimenez said county environmental regulators have given him generally positive feedback about the idea.

For its part, Beckham’s group didn’t list the possibility among its priorities because it didn’t think the county would like the idea of possibly losing potential parkland.

That calculus has changed because Gimenez has asked the group to consider the property behind the arena, known as Parcel B, as part of the expanded park space that could be linked along the bay to Museum Park. A Cuban exile museum has been pushing to build there.

“The mayor’s willingness to add Parcel B to the discussion is a fundamental change because it means the park would be larger and arguably better, because it has a greater percentage of bayfront property,” Alschuler said.

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so they're proposing filling in that huge boat slip and using part of the park for the stadium...

I'm in
 
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That sounds like a pretty big fantasy idea. But since the mayor suggested it, they must be really in favor of that spot. I am all for it. Would not have the traffic concern like with the port.
 
That sounds like a pretty big fantasy idea. But since the mayor suggested it, they must be really in favor of that spot. I am all for it. Would not have the traffic concern like with the port.

you would think....but, Jimenez in the county Mayor and that site belongs to the city.... So, Regalado is the one that would have to back it..
 
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so they're proposing filling in that huge boat slip and using part of the park for the stadium...

I'm in

More proof this is just soccer fans wanting to bring soccer to Miami that will damage the Canes. What are you people talking about they can't fit a 40K seat stadium in that narrow rectangle. Beckham's plans don't include helping the University of Miami he is trying to damage the Canes by creating more competition for the limited sports dollars that will only result in less tickets sold to Canes games. All MLS does in Miami is hurt UM's sports.

Canes fans should be against Beckham MLS team. Beckham can take his MLS team and get out of South Florida.
 
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A 25K seat stadium doesn't work for UM football.

If we're only looking to seat 30K, they can use Marlin's Park ...
 
A 25K seat stadium doesn't work for UM football.

If we're only looking to seat 30K, they can use Marlin's Park ...


Agree that new site won't fit a 40K seat football stadium. That narrow rectangle is about the same width of the American Airlines Arena's building and NBA basketball courts Dimensions are only 94 feet x 50 feet. Football fields are three times larger than NBA court dimensions and soccer fields are even 10 feet wider than football fields.

The AAA can only fit 19.6K fans with 1/3 the width of a football field as their court size. Anyone that thinks we could put even 40K in that narrow rectangle is dreaming. The only way to have it be 40K would to have 90% of the seats in the end zones and Beckham would never build it that way. That site would be pushing it to even have 20K fans with the width of a soccer field where even the majority of the fans seats will be in the end zones.

As I have said over and over Beckham is just using the Canes fans for his political support. Beckham doesn't care about the U.
 
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A 25K seat stadium doesn't work for UM football.

If we're only looking to seat 30K, they can use Marlin's Park ...


Agree that new site won't fit a 40K seat football stadium. That narrow rectangle is about the same width of the American Airlines Arena's building and NBA basketball courts Dimensions are only 94' x 50'. Football fields are three times larger than NBA court dimensions and soccer fields are even 10 feet wider than football fields.

The AAA can only fit 19.6K fans with 1/3 the width of a football field as their court size. Anyone that thinks we could put even 40K in that narrow rectangle is dreaming. The only way to have it be 40K would to have 90% of the seats in the end zones and Beckham would never build it that way. That site would be pushing it to even have 20K fans with the width of a soccer field where even the majority of the fans seats will be in the end zones.

As I have said over and over Beckham is just using the Canes fans for his political support. Beckham doesn't care about the U.

hey genius, its not just the space in that rectangle... They would include a large part of the park too.
 
A 25K seat stadium doesn't work for UM football.

If we're only looking to seat 30K, they can use Marlin's Park ...


Agree that new site won't fit a 40K seat football stadium. That narrow rectangle is about the same width of the American Airlines Arena's building and NBA basketball courts Dimensions are only 94' x 50'. Football fields are three times larger than NBA court dimensions and soccer fields are even 10 feet wider than football fields.

The AAA can only fit 19.6K fans with 1/3 the width of a football field as their court size. Anyone that thinks we could put even 40K in that narrow rectangle is dreaming. The only way to have it be 40K would to have 90% of the seats in the end zones and Beckham would never build it that way. That site would be pushing it to even have 20K fans with the width of a soccer field where even the majority of the fans seats will be in the end zones.

As I have said over and over Beckham is just using the Canes fans for his political support. Beckham doesn't care about the U.

hey genius, its not just the space in that rectangle... They would include a large part of the park too.

He worries way too much about Beckham. Beckham will do no more damage to the U than our own fans do by not going to games.
 
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A 25K seat stadium doesn't work for UM football.

If we're only looking to seat 30K, they can use Marlin's Park ...


Agree that new site won't fit a 40K seat football stadium. That narrow rectangle is about the same width of the American Airlines Arena's building and NBA basketball courts Dimensions are only 94' x 50'. Football fields are three times larger than NBA court dimensions and soccer fields are even 10 feet wider than football fields.

The AAA can only fit 19.6K fans with 1/3 the width of a football field as their court size. Anyone that thinks we could put even 40K in that narrow rectangle is dreaming. The only way to have it be 40K would to have 90% of the seats in the end zones and Beckham would never build it that way. That site would be pushing it to even have 20K fans with the width of a soccer field where even the majority of the fans seats will be in the end zones.

As I have said over and over Beckham is just using the Canes fans for his political support. Beckham doesn't care about the U.

hey genius, its not just the space in that rectangle... They would include a large part of the park too.


Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen. BTW, The city of Miami owns Bicentennial Park not the county and that isn't Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez land to give away.


This is the Future image of Miami Art Museum and the Miami Museum of Science that broke ground in 2012 and is scheduled to be finished by 2015. It sure doesn't leave much for Bicentennial Park that has been renamed Museum Park.

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I don't want any ****** in the stadium who'd rather go to an mls game anyway
 
"This idea – first floated as a potential landing spot for the Marlins’ new stadium by Gimenez during his time as city manager nearly 15 years ago – may prove too ambitious to execute, though. Filling the slip involves pumping out gallons upon gallons of water and tumbling hundreds of thousands of cubic yards of rock into the slip to create solid ground. Gimenez said the county estimated the entire project would cost between $10 and $16 million.

There are also land conveyance questions to consider. This site is owned by the City of Miami, not Miami-Dade County. The potential transfer of the 9.8-acre parcel could prompt a public vote on any sale. And that particular hurdle creates yet another concern for a project already faced with several complications along its path."

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/ins...site-to-david-beckham-and-his-partners-050614
 
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"This idea – first floated as a potential landing spot for the Marlins’ new stadium by Gimenez during his time as city manager nearly 15 years ago – may prove too ambitious to execute, though. Filling the slip involves pumping out gallons upon gallons of water and tumbling hundreds of thousands of cubic yards of rock into the slip to create solid ground. Gimenez said the county estimated the entire project would cost between $10 and $16 million.

There are also land conveyance questions to consider. This site is owned by the City of Miami, not Miami-Dade County. The potential transfer of the 9.8-acre parcel could prompt a public vote on any sale. And that particular hurdle creates yet another concern for a project already faced with several complications along its path."

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/ins...site-to-david-beckham-and-his-partners-050614

That sounds like a pretty big fantasy idea. But since the mayor suggested it, they must be really in favor of that spot. I am all for it. Would not have the traffic concern like with the port.

you would think....but, Jimenez in the county Mayor and that site belongs to the city.... So, Regalado is the one that would have to back it..
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A 25K seat stadium doesn't work for UM football.

If we're only looking to seat 30K, they can use Marlin's Park ...


Agree that new site won't fit a 40K seat football stadium. That narrow rectangle is about the same width of the American Airlines Arena's building and NBA basketball courts Dimensions are only 94' x 50'. Football fields are three times larger than NBA court dimensions and soccer fields are even 10 feet wider than football fields.

The AAA can only fit 19.6K fans with 1/3 the width of a football field as their court size. Anyone that thinks we could put even 40K in that narrow rectangle is dreaming. The only way to have it be 40K would to have 90% of the seats in the end zones and Beckham would never build it that way. That site would be pushing it to even have 20K fans with the width of a soccer field where even the majority of the fans seats will be in the end zones.

As I have said over and over Beckham is just using the Canes fans for his political support. Beckham doesn't care about the U.

hey genius, its not just the space in that rectangle... They would include a large part of the park too.


Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen. BTW, The city of Miami owns Bicentennial Park not the county and that isn't Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez land to give away.


This is the Future image of Miami Art Museum and the Miami Museum of Science that broke ground in 2012 and is scheduled to be finished by 2015. It sure doesn't leave much for Bicentennial Park that has been renamed Museum Park.

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“The mayor’s willingness to add Parcel B to the discussion is a fundamental change because it means the park would be larger and arguably better, because it has a greater percentage of bayfront property,” Alschuler said.



not gonna get into it at length, but giving "parcel B" to the park will ad the gross sqftage of the park, thus create the opportunity to grant more of the present park land to the project. Meaning, the state wont let the city lose any public park land, only if they are able to recapture it. And trading interior park space for more bay front space is a positive for the park and city...

and further more, you don't know **** about how this city works:
Show me where that is written since it is 9.8 acres and they aren't going to give away Bicentennial Park or their will be a major public backlash that will require a public vote for that to happen.

look at Marlins stadium.. How'd the public vote go there?
 
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