Off-Topic Mass killings

[MainLineCane]

We have to try. Ideally, responsible people would call out anyone who abuses the process and there should be stiff penalties for abuse.

On that responsibility theme

I feel that the shooter's father has some criminal responsibility for ignoring the numerous loud and clear signals that his son was without a doubt an armed and dangerous menace to society

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Sorry to hear that

Guess I've been very lucky.

On occasion I've gotten a few canned responses but for the most part I've gotten responses specifically addressing whatever my letter brought up and my concerns. I always keep it clear, respectful, factual and without hyperbole.

Whenever I've gotten what was obviously a canned response I've still pushed on.

First of all, I accept the fact that my opinion WILL NOT ALWAYS prevail. I realize that they can't be at my beck and call and I also realize many of the responses I've received were written by staffers. But it's important to me that they are aware of my viewpoints and that they know I'm not alone in how I feel.

Believe it or not, your letters do have an impact. As most in Congress and their staff do keep track of how their constituents are responding to events . Some might not care due to partisanship, but that's the voters fault

I'm not ready to give up on our system of government. It's up to the citizenery to make it work.

I feel for you guys because if I ever reach the point that I've actually made every effort to be heard and yet feel as if I have absolutely no voice on how I'm governed...then really it's time to leave.

I’ve accepted that nobody that represents me has the cojones to even bring up the NFA, but I figured it was worth a shot. So I’m not mad lmao

 

[pubmedu]

 

[Suhrthing]

"on the FBI's radar"... AKA FBI/CIA/MKUltra plot... (just like Buffalo shooter)

F-it, call me crazy. Mid-terms are the last gasp, every lever must be pulled, and every event exploited. The mass-shootings will continue until moral is defeated.

 

[Suhrthing]

Strange Coincidence – A US Army Recon Plane Landed In Uvalde Before The Shooting And Left Just Before The Shooter Was Killed (Photos)

On Tuesday morning, a gunman walked into Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, and opened fire in a fourth-grade classroom, killing at least 19 children and two teachers. Salvador Ramos, 18, had already shot and critically wounded his grandmother by the time he arrived at the grade school...

redstatenation.com

 

[Cuttercane]

Agree on the Top 3 issue comment. It surely is.

You may be right on the tax dollar thing. Hopefully the money could be reallocated (I'm sure some wags, not me, might suggest the Police or Defense budgets).

The "For Profit," high-priced Private mental health rehab places around the country are not gonna take care of guys with profiles like these shooters. When mental health hospitals proliferated throughout the USA, they were invariably State-run institutions (aka "snake pits"), and formed a vast bureaucracy at a high cost. That was the main reason so many closed; taxpayers decided they no longer wanted to foot that bill.

Most health systems have been closing behavioral medicine beds for years. The patients that fill beds in the facilities that still exist are usually on Medicaid or unfunded. It’s tough to breakeven on that type of payer mix. As noted, states have closed the state owned facilities, but the void created wasn’t filled by privately owned systems because of the poor economics. In some states, the number of providers willing to work on the in-patient side of behavioral medicine is also an issue. Most providers want to have a commercial insurance out-patient practice. The issue is especially acute in states that didn’t expand Medicaid, further degrading the payer mix. Outside academic medicine (and academics is a small percentage of healthcare infrastructure overall), our approach to behavioal medicine is failing. I will offer the disclaimer that my experience is in the rust belt and Deep South, so it might be skewed.
The current economics in healthcare may cause another wave of bed closures, as systems are really taking a beating. I am interested where folks think the funds could come from without raising taxes to improve the safety net.

 

[ithacane]

Sorry to hear that

Guess I've been very lucky.

On occasion I've gotten a few canned responses but for the most part I've gotten responses specifically addressing whatever my letter brought up and my concerns. I always keep it clear, respectful, factual and without hyperbole.

Whenever I've gotten what was obviously a canned response I've still pushed on.

First of all, I accept the fact that my opinion WILL NOT ALWAYS prevail. I realize that they can't be at my beck and call and I also realize many of the responses I've received were written by staffers. But it's important to me that they are aware of my viewpoints and that they know I'm not alone in how I feel.

Believe it or not, your letters do have an impact. As most in Congress and their staff do keep track of how their constituents are responding to events . Some might not care due to partisanship, but that's the voters fault

I'm not ready to give up on our system of government. It's up to the citizenery to make it work.

I feel for you guys because if I ever reach the point that I've actually made every effort to be heard and yet feel as if I have absolutely no voice on how I'm governed...then really it's time to leave.

Just curious… when u don’t get canned responses, is it in regards to something that goes against their agenda?

There are decent congress people out there (unfortunately not the two senators from NY)… but it depends on if u are lucky enough to have them represent u

 

[JD08]

Most health systems have been closing behavioral medicine beds for years. The patients that fill beds in the facilities that still exist are usually on Medicaid or unfunded. It’s tough to breakeven on that type of payer mix. As noted, states have closed the state owned facilities, but the void created wasn’t filled by privately owned systems because of the poor economics. In some states, the number of providers willing to work on the in-patient side of behavioral medicine is also an issue. Most providers want to have a commercial insurance out-patient practice. The issue is especially acute in states that didn’t expand Medicaid, further degrading the payer mix. Outside academic medicine (and academics is a small percentage of healthcare infrastructure overall), our approach to behavioal medicine is failing. I will offer the disclaimer that my experience is in the rust belt and Deep South, so it might be skewed.
The current economics in healthcare may cause another wave of bed closures, as systems are really taking a beating. I am interested where folks think the funds could come from without raising taxes to improve the safety net.

Years before I was in healthcare, I worked in downtown WPB. One day there was a man who stood on the corner screaming obscenities arguing at a car stopped at the light. He was screaming, "How dare you call me (the n word). I'll beat your *** if you say that again, so go ahead, *****!." In the car was a white guy in his late 50's wearing a shirt and tie and more than a little bit nervous waiting for the light to change. The cop escorting us to the parking lot just asked him to calm down. He said the guy was a regar and usually ran out of meds before the end of the month and the health dept would give him more until the 1st, so it was a rough couple of days for him.

The was before ACAand Medicare expansion, but it goes to show the system doesn't actually care about helping people, just going through the motions.

 

[MainLineCane]

Just curious… when u don’t get canned responses, is it in regards to something that goes against their agenda?

There are decent congress people out there (unfortunately not the two senators from NY)… but it depends on if u are lucky enough to have them represent u

Actually, it's the opposite. When they agree with you they'll talk your ear off telling you how hard they're working on your behalf.

When they disagree you get more stock ( Partisan driven ) canned answers.

Like so many people only a few want to recognize or discuss the cons or negatives of any position they've taken.

But every so often you'll give someone an aha moment which causes some reconsideration or adjustment

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Most health systems have been closing behavioral medicine beds for years. The patients that fill beds in the facilities that still exist are usually on Medicaid or unfunded. It’s tough to breakeven on that type of payer mix. As noted, states have closed the state owned facilities, but the void created wasn’t filled by privately owned systems because of the poor economics. In some states, the number of providers willing to work on the in-patient side of behavioral medicine is also an issue. Most providers want to have a commercial insurance out-patient practice. The issue is especially acute in states that didn’t expand Medicaid, further degrading the payer mix. Outside academic medicine (and academics is a small percentage of healthcare infrastructure overall), our approach to behavioal medicine is failing. I will offer the disclaimer that my experience is in the rust belt and Deep South, so it might be skewed.
The current economics in healthcare may cause another wave of bed closures, as systems are really taking a beating. I am interested where folks think the funds could come from without raising taxes to improve the safety net.

I don’t believe there is anymore money in state/federal healthcare to do it. I meant out of state and federal budgets. There is more waste than ever. There’s a lot of good things that could be getting done, that aren’t.

 

[Cuttercane]

I don’t believe there is anymore money in state/federal healthcare to do it. I meant out of state and federal budgets. There is more waste than ever. There’s a lot of good things that could be getting done, that aren’t.

I have tried to engage in medicaid reform conversations with various folks at the state level. The insurance companies that states subcontract their Medicaid programs to prevent meaningful reform.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

I have tried to engage in medicaid reform conversations with various folks at the state level. The insurance companies that states subcontract their Medicaid programs to prevent meaningful reform.

I get that I am talking about taking wasteful spending from other programs outside of healthcare and putting them into facilities.

 

[imurcane]

It's most likely going to get struck down by the Supreme Court in the next session, but NY just passed a new gun law and part of the background check is to require people to give their social media accounts so they can be checked "to confirm the information regarding the applicant’s character and conduct"!

New York bill could mandate social media checks for gun permit applications

The checks would be part of a process to verify the applicant’s "character and conduct."

www.axios.com

That’s certainly a very poorly planned law destined to fail. We need to do something meaningful. That law is not it, respectfully. I didn’t think I’d say do nothing, but nothing vs that proposed law I’ll take nothing.

 

[imurcane]

I’m obviously a huge 2A advocate, but I’m also very aware of the mental health crisis we have. Which is why we need to open up more hospitals and if you say you want to kill yourself or other, you get admitted. Period. He was another prime candidate

This is something I have no answer for, but think it’s been touched on.

Suicidal ideation and terroristic threats are the biggie and in my line of work will get you 1013d. I can’t seem to get any concept though of how long they might have to wait to get a firearm?
I am suggesting for our discussion that exhibit A is 22 now. He had been bullied in middle school. Tried to kill himself in the 8th grade. Outside of those years in middle school, exhibit A has been to therapy and takes meds or smokes medical marijuana. In Georgia it specifically says no marijuana on the application process for background check I believe.
Just for the discussion please see medical marijuana as therapy not just a stoner that wants a gun.

To me this candidate would be fine for a gun. But **** who the **** really knows? What do you think?

PS. Imagine being a therapist or doctor, are you signing off for someone to buy a gun?

I suppose I can get squirrelly and see the worst happening. I don’t like the eroding of rights. I know you don’t either. Respectfully even though we differ on Roe v Wade, I absolutely think it’s an erosion of rights. I suppose the Supreme Court said it isn’t a right. With enough rewriting of law and precedence rejection, I think anything any of us hold dear can be taken away.

 

[imurcane]

Years before I was in healthcare, I worked in downtown WPB. One day there was a man who stood on the corner screaming obscenities arguing at a car stopped at the light. He was screaming, "How dare you call me (the n word). I'll beat your *** if you say that again, so go ahead, *****!." In the car was a white guy in his late 50's wearing a shirt and tie and more than a little bit nervous waiting for the light to change. The cop escorting us to the parking lot just asked him to calm down. He said the guy was a regar and usually ran out of meds before the end of the month and the health dept would give him more until the 1st, so it was a rough couple of days for him.

The was before ACAand Medicare expansion, but it goes to show the system doesn't actually care about helping people, just going through the motions.

My dad is a veteran and respectfully the VA Hospital hasn’t been the care I would want. My dad doesn’t love it, but he does use it. I agree there is often a wide gap between ideal and actual care.

 

[MainLineCane]

My dad is a veteran and respectfully the VA Hospital hasn’t been the care I would want. My dad doesn’t love it, but he does use it. I agree there is often a wide gap between ideal and actual care.

Oh how sad.

We rescued my father in law, whose health was failing in his latter years, from a lingering undiagnosed problem he was having taken care of by the VA.

Mr. C. swore by the VA and it was like pulling teeth or taking a bone from a dog, but he eventually went outside the system with us and fortunately his issues were quickly and completely resolved.

Did you know most of not all VA hospitals around the USA look the same because they're built using the same specs and design? Kinda makes sense BUT the VA is truly a broken system and a prime example of you get what you pay for.

They routinely offer the lowest pay for their medical staffs, so they are routinely scraping the bottom of the medical talent pool, and routinely delivering the worse medical services and results for their service area. Vets deserve better.

As a veteran with experience on both sides, I can honestly say as a country we've continually done our veterans dirty given the sacrifices we've made. Now every decade or so sadly VA benefits and service quality are shrunk even more. That's simply dirty. I'm fortunate in that my circumstances always allowed me to not rely on the VA

But sadly, as many vets will tell you, "it's better than nothing." And I guess it is. So those vets with nothing or next to nothing, facing the fact is of rising outside med costs will often swear by the VA as a godsend.

 

[JD08]

My dad is a veteran and respectfully the VA Hospital hasn’t been the care I would want. My dad doesn’t love it, but he does use it. I agree there is often a wide gap between ideal and actual care.

It's a damning argument against single payer.

My dad was a WW2 vet and refused to use the VA. He said he and the government were square after they paid for his education through the GI Bill.

 

[jakeman1]

Nobody will go after Big Pharma. They’re too powerful and fund too many politicians. They’re bulletproof , even though they‘re a big portion of the problem.

Something a lot of people don't realize is they changed the rules for how drugs are approved at the FDA. Companies now contribute to the cost, meaning they're allowed to fund the studies. They contributed over $800 million last year. Money has tainted the decision process. They suppressed repurposing existing drugs, which we've done for years, and ignored acquired immunity when setting guidelines. As of now, the vaccines are under emergency use authorization, EUA. If they get officially approved, then they can be held liable to side-effects/injury from the vaccines. There's a reason they're pushing so hard for vaccinating children, even though the virus is little more than a cold for them, except in rare cases. The vaccine data for children is very bad, basically placebo, but if they get the vaccines approved for children, that will make them immune to liability for vaccine injury.

 

[Suhrthing]

Uvalde officer saw gunman before he entered school and asked for permission to shoot him: Report​

Uvalde officer saw gunman before he entered school and asked for permission to shoot him: Report

The officer witnessed Salvador Ramos with a rifle after he crashed outside the school. That's when he allegedly asked for permission to shoot the gunman before he had entered the school.

abc13.com

 

[ithacane]

That’s certainly a very poorly planned law destined to fail. We need to do something meaningful. That law is not it, respectfully. I didn’t think I’d say do nothing, but nothing vs that proposed law I’ll take nothing.

It was a clap back law… Supreme Court, u are gonna kill one of our bills… well, we’ll just make another unconstitutional one! Take that!