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Mario: Is He the Guy, or Just the Guy Before the Guy?

He better win this year. We lose the oline, QB, half Dline, and LBs this year. I think he is a bum but maybe just the coordinators do their jobs and he picks his nose.
 
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Shooter McGavin said:
Weed
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thats so raven drug dealer GIF
 
Trav said:
He's Butch Davis. Great recruiter, great program builder, mediocre to bad strategist and gameday coach. Acquire enough talent and build the infrastructure and he can win big. But he's not going to be winning championships as a chessmaster.
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Yeah, let’s bring Coker out of retirement.
 
DisgruntledSebastianIbis said:
As @DMoney said, everyone knows Miami’s season is high stakes, can they finally take the leap? But for Mario Cristobal, it’s even bigger. This is the most pivotal campaign of his coaching career.

This year will answer the question that has plagued him his whole coaching career: is he "The Guy," or just the foundation builder who peaks early and never turns the corner? Is he the long-term answer, or simply the stepping stone who makes the job more enticing for the next guy? We’re about to find out.
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You should’ve added a poll
 
Tito Benach said:
I think it's hard to imagine the off-field resources/recruiting being better if there is another guy

Not hard to imagine gameday coaching being better, but I don't think you're winning big in CFB unless you have the resources/recruiting
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The administration already showed that hand that they’re willing to support for Mario so the fan base knows they have it and besides, you really can’t go cheap on the next guy, especially when you’re trying to get into the Big Ten
 
Trav said:
He's Butch Davis. Great recruiter, great program builder, mediocre to bad strategist and gameday coach. Acquire enough talent and build the infrastructure and he can win big. But he's not going to be winning championships as a chessmaster.
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Neither did Saban.☝🏾 People forget who Saban was at MSU and how he sucked in the NFL. He only won in the cheating *** SEC. When you have better players than anyone else and a league that's in bed with the biggest sporting network, it's probably easier to look great!!
 
If the premise of the money men will for whatever reason decide to stop investing into the program if Mario isn't the one to lead us to a Championship is to be accepted, then what does that mean for the program at large?

Does that mean that Mario should be given a lifetime contract based on the presumption that he's the only Coach they will spend money to support?

What happens if he retires? Do they discontinue the Football program because he's the only one they're ever going to give money to?

What if they keep investing money with him & only him, but he never wins?

Is it at all plausible that you all have invented this doomsday scenario in your heads & are projecting this idea as a means of your own justification for why YOU support/believe in him?
 
If he continues to work as hard as he does and have success 9+ wins a year and still recruits at a high level Miami is never letting him go. Only time would be if the wheels came off and that momentum is irreversible. He appears to have what it takes. Now they just have to go out and bring home some trophies.
 
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SinisterCane said:
The administration already showed that hand that they’re willing to support for Mario so the fan base knows they have it and besides, you really can’t go cheap on the next guy, especially when you’re trying to get into the Big Ten
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You're not wrong.

I think part of the appeal to Mario was his "reputation" amongst the Boosters/Big Donors etc. My comment isn't necessarily to suggest those people would leave, but moreso just they might be more hesitant

Joe Echeverria is a positive sign that they will continue to invest in athletics. I also think for all that's made about Mario as a gameday coach (all totally valid), I think his recruiting prowess is what makes him special.

I'm hopeful that even if he's not "the guy" the donors/boosters will continue to support the program in the manner which they currently do
 
Mario could end up like Jim Harbaugh. An alum of the school, and made some progress and eventually ended up(finally) winning it all, but it took some painful L's to get there. It took Harbaugh 8 years. I'm not sure if the fanbase is that patient.

I know I have cooled off on Mario and even predicted he would be fired soon, but I'm still willing to give him a chance because idk what comes after this and frankly i dont think its good. If Mario can't win here then I think we are cooked for good.
 
MizCane said:
If he continues to work as hard as he does and have success 9+ wins a year and still recruits at a high level Miami is never letting him go. Only time would be if the wheels came off and that momentum is irreversible. He appears to have what it takes. Now they just have to go out and bring home some trophies.
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To be determined.

Every ACC game last year except for Florida State was still in doubt going into the 4th quarter even though Mario had the eventual #1 pick in the NFL draft. I'm not ready to crown Mario by a long shot.
 
Trav said:
He's Butch Davis. Great recruiter, great program builder, mediocre to bad strategist and gameday coach. Acquire enough talent and build the infrastructure and he can win big. But he's not going to be winning championships as a chessmaster.
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lol Butch Davis hired and evaluated some of the best coaches who would become future NFL coaches and you compare him to Mario who can’t develop anything outside of a offensive line…..wow
 
The canesman said:
So far he has done more than any past coach since the championship years to resurrect the program. He could possibly be another Butch.
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CMR actually invested in the indoor facility with his own money. Mario wouldn’t even step foot on campus until they promised him that investment into the football program
 
Memnon said:
If the premise of the money men will for whatever reason decide to stop investing into the program if Mario isn't the one to lead us to a Championship is to be accepted, then what does that mean for the program at large?

Does that mean that Mario should be given a lifetime contract based on the presumption that he's the only Coach they will spend money to support?

What happens if he retires? Do they discontinue the Football program because he's the only one they're ever going to give money to?

What if they keep investing money with him & only him, but he never wins?

Is it at all plausible that you all have invented this doomsday scenario in your heads & are projecting this idea as a means of your own justification for why YOU support/believe in him?
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Isn't it just more likely that we weren't investing enough into the program and the powers that be decided that they wanted to stop being the laughingstock and to actually invest in the program a reasonable amount, and that their choice to lead the program was Mario. But in order to get Mario, he demanded certain investments that likely otherwise wouldn't have been provided - or that they may not have been willing to make for another coach - in order to leave Oregon. I mean isn't it pretty factual at this point that had Mario not agreed to be our coach, Manny Diaz would have been given another year? So at the very least that investment was immediately increased. Perhaps the following year they would have fired Manny and still gone big at the level of spending we're currently at... So I mean I don't see why it is some crazy theory that the investment in the program today is greater than at any point in the past, and Mario had a large part in attaining that... and IF Mario failed here that there could be far less will to maintain the current level of investment in the program

However, I'd just say if Mario makes us consistently a 10 win team that is always in the playing for a Conference Championship, and always in the CFP race and a legit title contender, well that wouldn't be failing. So if he just couldn't "get over the hump" and we did move on in the future, well I think the investment would stay the same.... But Also for the millionth time I'll just point out again that we still aren't spending top 15 on our coach. And even though we have a strong NIL program, I bet you if you count the total $ allocation for football including Staff+NIL+Everything else that goes into the budget (except tution which is inflated bs numbers), that we likely aren't top 10.... We might be fringe top 15 in total football spending. A&M is probably spending more on Staff and NIL than we are with just what they're still paying Jimbo.
 
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bacane said:
Yeah, let’s bring Coker out of retirement.
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Coker wasn't any of those things but an okay OC (who benefitted from having NFL HOF players play for him) for his time. Why would you even bring him up? He was an awful recruiter and awful program builder and overseer. The board at the time desperately wanted him over Barry Alvarez for stupid reasons (because he coached in the BigX he'd supposedly bring a BigX offense to Miami) and the reality is Barry would have set us on a much better trajectory for the 2000s. There were better options than both but the veteran players walked into Paul Dee's office and demanded Coker, so they got Coker.
 
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SPFRcane said:
Neither did Saban.☝🏾 People forget who Saban was at MSU and how he sucked in the NFL. He only won in the cheating *** SEC. When you have better players than anyone else and a league that's in bed with the biggest sporting network, it's probably easier to look great!!
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Saban was also a bit of a savant for finding talented assistants. Mario stumbled out of the gate on that front but he's getting better.
 
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