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Mario Cristobal...you're now (REALLY) on the clock...

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OrangeBowlMagic said:
This is the problem. Ruiz is going to explode. Hopefully it happens way down the road, but this is all a huge house of cards and it’s incredibly obvious. I just hope it doesn’t nuke the entire program when it does happen.
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I don’t think it will explode necessarily but I have serious doubts about LifeWallet taking off. That said, he IS wealthy independent of lifewallet and he CAN keep it afloat for NIL purposes and that’s really all I care about.
 
Dude has a ten year contract for a reason. Intelligent people saw this as a long term rebuild, especially if one wants to get back in the NATIONAL CONVERSATION. Miami needed to make up for DECADES of half assed measures, DECADES of institutional neglect. The only way to do it is to completely overhaul EVERYTHING.

Mario isn't under pressure right now and anyone saying otherwise is trying to create drama where there isn't any. By the way, Miami isn't a basketball school, we are a small private institution that attempts to compete in all revenue sports. There are few, and I mean FEW peer institutions that even try. Think about it, Miami has a proud, winning tradition in both football and baseball. Our basketball programs are rising, reaching heights never seen. As long as the highly competent AD finds ways to keep those programs relevant by keeping good staff around and raising money, there's no reason why we can't continue to be relevant in all four major sports. Katie isn't going anywhere, I think Rad can make a solid hoops hire when L hangs it up and if Dimare fails, the guy that comes after him will inherit an extremely talented roster, considering how well he has recruited. It's on us, both stakeholders and nonstakeholders to do what we can to make sure the resources are there to compete in everything. We're a world class University, our athletic department should reflect that.
 
ben said:
I don’t think it will explode necessarily but I have serious doubts about LifeWallet taking off. That said, he IS wealthy independent of lifewallet and he CAN keep it afloat for NIL purposes and that’s really all I care about.
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Hope you’re right, obviously. I’ll be shocked if you are, though. This whole thing has stunk from Day 1 and keeps rotting even more.
 
Canedude08 said:
Dude has a ten year contract for a reason. Intelligent people saw this as a long term rebuild, especially if one wants to get back in the NATIONAL CONVERSATION. Miami needed to make up for DECADES of half assed measures, DECADES of institutional neglect. The only way to do it is to completely overhaul EVERYTHING.

Mario isn't under pressure right now and anyone saying otherwise is trying to create drama where there isn't any. By the way, Miami isn't a basketball school, we are a small private institution that attempts to compete in all revenue sports. There are few, and I mean FEW peer institutions that even try. Think about it, Miami has a proud, winning tradition in both football and baseball. Our basketball programs are rising, reaching heights never seen. As long as the highly competent AD finds ways to keep those programs relevant by keeping good staff around and raising money, there's no reason why we can't continue to be relevant in all four major sports. Katie isn't going anywhere, I think Rad can make a solid hoops hire when L hangs it up and if Dimare fails, the guy that comes after him will inherit an extremely talented roster, considering how well he has recruited. It's on us, both stakeholders and nonstakeholders to do what we can to make sure the resources are there to compete in everything. We're a world class University, our athletic department should reflect that.
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How many private schools have won a football national championship, a baseball championship, and made the Final Four? I'll tell ya.


1- Miami.

2 - USC (who made the Final Four in 1954 and 1940 when the tournament only had 24 teams), kinda.

Stanford tries to claim a football one in like 1926 or something, but nah. They weren't it.

So really one private school post-World War II:

Miami.
 
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Rellyrell said:
In fairness, w/ all context provided, I don’t think comparing Norvell’s situation w/ Mario is a fair assessment. I’ve been a champion in defending Mario, but let’s be honest, Mario took over a program that’s been under performing from a coach who had no business being here, but Miami was still 21-15 before Mario took over, w/ a mostly in tact roster that barely went 7-5, so the notion was we should win about 8 games in yr 1.

Norvell took over a completely & full dumpster fire that went 18-20 under his predecessors. To make matters worst, he took over during a wonky Covid yr w/ a new roster, including a new QB who couldn’t throw for chit. In Yr 2, I got blasted on here when I said don’t let FSU’s 5-7 record fool u, they actually looked competent in many of the games they lost.

The problem many had w/ Mario’s 1st yr, well I’ll speak for myself; I knew yr 1 would be a struggle. ****, I created a whole thread asking for patience w/ Mario. Now, w/ that said, did I think we would be a 5-7 struggling team? No; but, 5-7 doesn’t bother me. Losing in the fashion we did bothered me.

So let’s compare FSU’s 5-7 in yr 2 under Norvell vs. Miami’s 5-7 under Mario:

FSU:
1. 38-41 L in OT #9 ND
2. 17-20 L to Jacksonville St
3. 14-35 L to WF
4. 23-31 L to UL
5. 20-30 L to Clemson
6. 14-28 L to #19 NCSt
7. 21-24 L to UF

Combined loss differential of 62 pts or about 9 pts/game

Miami:
1. 9-17 L to #24 A&M
2. 31-45 to MTSU
3. 24-27 to UNC
4. 21-45 to Duke
5. 3-45 to FSU
6. 10-40 to #9 Clemson
7. 16-42 to Pitt

Combined loss differential of 147 pts or about 21 pts/game

That is absolutely unacceptable. Under Diaz w/ practically the same squad we lost 5 games on avg. of about 12 pts/game. In 2019, our 7 losses avg. about 7 pts/loss. THAT’S why the expectations was for a proven coach to take a team that’s been under achieving, losing close games to inferior openers to close that gap. Instead, the exact opposite happen; not only did the record become worst, but the product on the field became historically worst.

Now, as I’ve said many times, I’m a patience man. I’ll give Mario a mulligan for yr 1, I’ll blame Gattis & them all for it, but there is zero excuses for us not to see a better product than the chit that was forced down loyal fans throats
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Thanks for the reality check. Your numbers summed it up..
 
Canedude08 said:
Dude has a ten year contract for a reason. Intelligent people saw this as a long term rebuild, especially if one wants to get back in the NATIONAL CONVERSATION. Miami needed to make up for DECADES of half assed measures, DECADES of institutional neglect. The only way to do it is to completely overhaul EVERYTHING.

Mario isn't under pressure right now and anyone saying otherwise is trying to create drama where there isn't any. By the way, Miami isn't a basketball school, we are a small private institution that attempts to compete in all revenue sports. There are few, and I mean FEW peer institutions that even try. Think about it, Miami has a proud, winning tradition in both football and baseball. Our basketball programs are rising, reaching heights never seen. As long as the highly competent AD finds ways to keep those programs relevant by keeping good staff around and raising money, there's no reason why we can't continue to be relevant in all four major sports. Katie isn't going anywhere, I think Rad can make a solid hoops hire when L hangs it up and if Dimare fails, the guy that comes after him will inherit an extremely talented roster, considering how well he has recruited. It's on us, both stakeholders and nonstakeholders to do what we can to make sure the resources are there to compete in everything. We're a world class University, our athletic department should reflect that.
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Don Shula took a 3-10-1 team to 10-4 and the NFL playoffs in 1st year.
No gimmies in the NFL.
Am i comparing Mario to the Don?
Nope, I'm comparing him to a Donkey.
Hee Haw....
 
3GC said:
Don Shula took a 3-10-1 team to 10-4 and the NFL playoffs in 1st year.
No gimmies in the NFL.
Am i comparing Mario to the Don?
Nope, I'm comparing him to a Donkey.
Hee Haw....
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Really? We're comparing modern football to the late 1960s, early 1970s? Where teams barely threw the football and wide receivers at times lined up in two-point-stances?

1. Comparing NFL football to College Football is stupid.

2. Comparing 1970s NFL football to modern-era college football is even more moronic.

3. Saying that a HoF HC turned around a team in one year and that this should be the standard for Mario whilst showing that it is possible is downright delusional. I wonder how you would've felt seeing Belichick trying to turn the Patriots around in 2000 or Bill Parcels with the Giants, or Bill Walsh with the 49ers or Belichick with the Browns before they moved to Baltimore or, to make a reference to a team fitting Don Shulas time frame, the Dallas Cowboys under Tom Landry, who had his first winning season in his 7th year in Dallas.

One-year rebuilds have stopped existing, if they ever were a thing in the first place, so please stop referencing them.

Or, to make it even shorter and easier:

Billy Madison Shut Up GIF
 
Rellyrell said:
In fairness, w/ all context provided, I don’t think comparing Norvell’s situation w/ Mario is a fair assessment. I’ve been a champion in defending Mario, but let’s be honest, Mario took over a program that’s been under performing from a coach who had no business being here, but Miami was still 21-15 before Mario took over, w/ a mostly in tact roster that barely went 7-5, so the notion was we should win about 8 games in yr 1.

Norvell took over a completely & full dumpster fire that went 18-20 under his predecessors. To make matters worst, he took over during a wonky Covid yr w/ a new roster, including a new QB who couldn’t throw for chit. In Yr 2, I got blasted on here when I said don’t let FSU’s 5-7 record fool u, they actually looked competent in many of the games they lost.

The problem many had w/ Mario’s 1st yr, well I’ll speak for myself; I knew yr 1 would be a struggle. ****, I created a whole thread asking for patience w/ Mario. Now, w/ that said, did I think we would be a 5-7 struggling team? No; but, 5-7 doesn’t bother me. Losing in the fashion we did bothered me.

So let’s compare FSU’s 5-7 in yr 2 under Norvell vs. Miami’s 5-7 under Mario:

FSU:
1. 38-41 L in OT #9 ND
2. 17-20 L to Jacksonville St
3. 14-35 L to WF
4. 23-31 L to UL
5. 20-30 L to Clemson
6. 14-28 L to #19 NCSt
7. 21-24 L to UF

Combined loss differential of 62 pts or about 9 pts/game

Miami:
1. 9-17 L to #24 A&M
2. 31-45 to MTSU
3. 24-27 to UNC
4. 21-45 to Duke
5. 3-45 to FSU
6. 10-40 to #9 Clemson
7. 16-42 to Pitt

Combined loss differential of 147 pts or about 21 pts/game

That is absolutely unacceptable. Under Diaz w/ practically the same squad we lost 5 games on avg. of about 12 pts/game. In 2019, our 7 losses avg. about 7 pts/loss. THAT’S why the expectations was for a proven coach to take a team that’s been under achieving, losing close games to inferior openers to close that gap. Instead, the exact opposite happen; not only did the record become worst, but the product on the field became historically worst.

Now, as I’ve said many times, I’m a patience man. I’ll give Mario a mulligan for yr 1, I’ll blame Gattis & them all for it, but there is zero excuses for us not to see a better product than the chit that was forced down loyal fans throats
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Gave up 40+ 5 times... Ouch... No way to disguise that...
That Cannot happen anymore... I mean I know we'll lose some games but losing like that has to stop...
 
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k9cane said:
No way!!! (BTW, I typed this tweet out in my Rick Barry throwback jersey)
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You have an honest and candid opinion and hurt the Wario Army.

…but you are spot on. Last year was an abomination of a season not seen around the Hecht in decades. I actually think that our record should’ve been worse, if not for a couple of miracle wins.

Mario has hopefully finally learned from his past mistakes, and will let the OC cook without trying to interfere. The D should be much improved under our new DC as long as he gets all of our injured guys back in time for the season.

All in all, your take is spot on. Mario IS on the clock. After all, anyone thinking that someone making $8 million plus a year isn’t on the clock is delusional.
 
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CaneTheGaytors said:
You have an honest and candid opinion and hurt the Wario Army.

…but you are spot on. Last year was an abomination of a season not seen around the Hecht is decades. I actually think that our record should’ve been worse, if not for a couple of miracle wins.

Mario has hopefully finally learned from his past mistakes, and will let the OC cook without trying to interfere. The D should be much improved under our new DC as long as he gets all of our injured guys back in time for the season.

All in all, your take is spot on. Mario IS on the clock. After all, anyone thinking that someone making $8 million plus a year isn’t on the clock is delusional.
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CTG, the funny and ironic thing is -- Im PART of that group, a huge advocate and believer in Mario Cristobal. I'll never hesitate to admit that

But it's OK to be critical, or have expectations of those you support and believe in

And I'm honest, my interest if UM football solely
 
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