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Canedude08 said:
Exactly. It was junk ball and Miami still had them on the ropes on multiple occasions. Had Miami been disciplined late, odds are FSU puts up 1 TD, not two and the score looks more like what actually happened.
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My concerns aren’t schemes or player’s talent. The mental aspect got bad late. Dumb 15 yarders are brutal in that situation. The Blount penalty was bad. Stops the clock and tacks on 15 free yards. That’s what we have to fix. Not running base defense when the opponent needs 4 scores in 12 minutes.
 
Final scores haven't reflected how we have dominated ND/UF/FSU. Think it's a gross oversimplification to blame Mario "going into a shell" or "coaching scared." We've scuttled way too many drives with offensive penalties.

Against ND, Cooper held when we were up 21-14, and that was the end of that drive. Against UF we probably left 8 points off the board on account of Brockermeyer's false starts in the first half. (Would have been 21-0 at half). There was also the ref robbery of 7 points on Brown's TD. Against FSU, Cooper's false start and Marion's motion penalty cost us 7-14 additional first half points. Lofton's hold scuttled a promising drive at the start of the 4th quarter too. We also gave FSU 35 yards on special teams/defensive penalties in the 4th quarter.

In each game there has been a drive I question from a coaching and aggression standpoint: the 4th quarter drive against ND following Bain's INT, not going for it on 4th & 4 first drive of the 3rd quarter against UF, and the series after FSU's first onside kick. Think it's a stretch to claim that the issue exists beyond those drives in those games.

I don't think our offense has the margin of error to overcome penalties this year. If we want to avoid dropping a game that we are dominating the rest of the year we need to commit fewer penalties on offense.
 
flips said:
Final scores haven't reflected how we have dominated ND/UF/FSU. Think it's a gross oversimplification to blame Mario "going into a shell" or "coaching scared." We've scuttled way too many drives with offensive penalties.

Against ND, Cooper held when we were up 21-14, and that was the end of that drive. Against UF we probably left 8 points off the board on account of Brockermeyer's false starts in the first half. (Would have been 21-0 at half). There was also the ref robbery of 7 points on Brown's TD. Against FSU, Cooper's false start and Marion's motion penalty cost us 7-14 additional first half points. Lofton's hold scuttled a promising drive at the start of the 4th quarter too. We also gave FSU 35 yards on special teams/defensive penalties in the 4th quarter.

In each game there has been a drive I question from a coaching and aggression standpoint: the 4th quarter drive against ND following Bain's INT, not going for it on 4th & 4 first drive of the 3rd quarter against UF, and the series after FSU's first onside kick. Think it's a stretch to claim that the issue exists beyond those drives in those games.

I don't think our offense has the margin of error to overcome penalties this year. If we want to avoid dropping a game that we are dominating the rest of the year we need to commit fewer penalties on offense.
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Agree with this.

There was really only one drive I could quibble with: when it was 28-11. We went run-run-incomplete pass. You could argue that was a time to be a little more aggressive and try to pick up a first down.

I think we lost our edge.

I understand why Nick Saban used to start MF'ing guys in the 4th quarter when they were up big.
 
aelmiami said:
When we got the ball 28-3 in the 4th Lofton’s penalty killed that drive. Once FSU went into kitchen sink mode did we expect Miami to keep throwing? Get a sack? Or a pick? It wasn’t perfect but that 4th quarter is not a repeatable thing for other teams.
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After calming a bit I’ll give them some grace. Mostly everything went right for them on those third and fourth down conversations.

Then with us we’ll have a couple of three and outs that are frustrating. Then when we do get aggressive we don’t execute.

I’ll take the win.
 
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nickster said:
Mario has ZERO business being a head coach and again he proved it tonight to all of America AGAIN.
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Gosh you are stupid to say stuff like this. Mario has built a PROGRAM from the foundation up; Miami is built to stay and compete at the top. Lots to clean up, but he's built an organization top to bottom and you're going to say he sucks? He is 3-0 vs ND, FSU, and UF this year (and 6-0 vs Florida teams in the last six games)--the last time that happened? 1987. Respect the man who has brought our Canes back from the dead.
 
Gables Canes said:
It’s not just the offensive conservatism. We’ve been extremely conservative on defense with a lead too. Soft zone coverage, almost prevent like.
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And in 5 games I think I have enough of a sample size to say that Hetherman needs to think about going to a bit more man coverage because we just are not particularly good at playing zone. One of our reporters actually asked Jakobe Thomas if leaving certain guys wide open is part of the scheme lol. Jakobe just calmly told him no. He said that leaving guys wide open is never a part of any scheme we run. Jaboke continued to say that we need to fix some issues we have in certain coverages.

 
Gables Canes said:
It’s not just the offensive conservatism. We’ve been extremely conservative on defense with a lead too. Soft zone coverage, almost prevent like.
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I loved repetitive 3rd/4th down double mug looks to only back everyone off the tv screen and give them the easiest pitch and catches the world has ever seen. There is definitely a middle ground for offense and defense
 
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bigweez said:
would help if the OL would have blocked in the running game tonight. not a good performance at all up front on the ground. definitely should have thrown on first down in the 4th. FSU was loading up the box
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That got us a 4 score lead, why would we keep doing that?
 
aelmiami said:
My concerns aren’t schemes or player’s talent. The mental aspect got bad late. Dumb 15 yarders are brutal in that situation. The Blount penalty was bad. Stops the clock and tacks on 15 free yards. That’s what we have to fix. Not running base defense when the opponent needs 4 scores in 12 minutes.
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The penalties are, and have always been a problem for Mario’s UM teams. It’s maddening.
 
canesstevealum08 said:
Marion motion penalty also took 6 off the board for Malachi it wasn’t a conservative game plan at all
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Such a ticky tack bull**** penalty.

The scumbag refs were waiting to take one off the board, just like they did against Florida.

Changes outcomes of games.
 
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