Manny (likely) staying (through the end of season, TBD thereafter)

[CaneBear0207]

There is another story out this morning which kind of reiterates Navarro's story. The angle I saw is that the decision makers are focused on keeping the 2021 and 2020 blue chips, and they believe that keeping Manny is the key to keeping these players. In my view, getting a top flight AD is indispensable to threading this needle, to keep the players who represent hope for the future while making sure they're coached well so that their talent is not squandered.

 

[Sh0wty]

I could totally see if the team wins out (regardless of the bowl outcome) Manny will be a retained employee and put on a PIP (Performance Improvement Plan). Thing is.. Our AD wouldn't know what a PIP is.

 

[hurricaneman]

Another thing to remember about bringing Manny back next year, we play @ Texas A&M in game 2 and @ Clemson on next year's schedule. It is likely not going to be another great start.

 

[hoops156]

Why would you can him the next day when that game is in November? I don't think it helps recruiting much. At this point, just let him finish the season, IMO.

recruiting is done regardless, but for kids who are gonna come to UM no matter the coach, that's the last time they'll see us play live (since a decent amount will likely be visiting FSU that weekend). you win that game you can get those kids to commit and they'll likely stay on barring us hiring al golden. you lose, you lost those kids and you're pretty much done at that point. also, I don't think he wont be allowed to finish the year. I think you'll see they reached an agreement to leave (like TCU and LSU did). Patterson just didn't want to finish the season but was given the option. O was allowed to finish it off.

 

[scrantoncane]

recruiting is done regardless, but for kids who are gonna come to UM no matter the coach, that's the last time they'll see us play live (since a decent amount will likely be visiting FSU that weekend). you win that game you can get those kids to commit and they'll likely stay on barring us hiring al golden. you lose, you lost those kids and you're pretty much done at that point. also, I don't think he wont be allowed to finish the year. I think you'll see they reached an agreement to leave (like TCU and LSU did). Patterson just didn't want to finish the season but was given the option. O was allowed to finish it off.

I think announcing a mutual agreement to part ways at season’s end is the best option. Not sure Manny would agree to that tho.

 

[hoops156]

I think announcing a mutual agreement to part ways at season’s end is the best option. Not sure Manny would agree to that tho.

i agree w you but who knows.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Meh. He gets the axe even if UM wins out

FIFY

 

[Zombie-Cane]

I get what you're saying but we'd be 8-4 going into a bowl game, with one of the best young QB's in the nation, young skill guys on O and D, etc. Win the bowl and we're probably preseason top 10-15 going into next season, which happens to be Manny's money year in terms of getting or not getting an extension.

If this were all to transpire, I'd rather tell Blake to kick rocks, hire a competent AD and let him have a full year to evaluate.

Preseason 10-15?!?! Wait a minute, I saw this movie, spoiler alert, it doesn't end well.....................

 

[Rellyrell]

I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the part about the Manny winning out at 7 in a row. If he pulls that off and finishes 9-4 (especially if we face and beat UF of all schools in a bowl game)...I actually think that would be the hardest decision to make in awhile to fire the guy. Reason I say I disagree is that it honestly shouldnt shock anybody. The guy just might deserve another shot at this thing.

I am not saying I agree, but I am not putting up any money for a banner either. LOL

U misread. Lol. No way do I think we win 7 in a row. Lol. I was saying we have 7 wins (total) on the season. lol.

 

[PIPO]

ANY scenario whereby Minnie "Slip N' Slide" Diaz is the HC of UM football, at this time next year is a recipe for absolute disaster!

So beating NC State and Pitt............freaking NC State and Pitt has fundamentally changed who that loser is??? Yeah OK!

He's the same circus clown that

- Tackled the 7-6 dummy on wrestling night (LMAO) in 2019 then promptly went 6-7 (Can't make this bleep up)
-Got murdered by two (2019 FIU, La Tech) and struggled with two (CMU 2019, App State 2021) Group of 5 teams

-Has turned our LB unit into one of the worst LB units in all of CFB and can't recruit any either from High School or the Portal. App State had better LBs than us SMH

-Has led our defense to record breaking crappy defensive performances. NC put up almost 8 Wal-Mart parking lots of offense on us in 2020. Even with the last two wins. His defenses have given up over 1000 total yards

-Invented the crappy Turnover Chain which has assisted in making our program a **** laughing stock in CFB

-Then he went even further and created the HEAD SCRATCHING "Touchdown Rings"

-Smoked a victory cigar after beating the worst FSU team in their history......without their HC

-Invented the post-game Slip N Slide after barely beating some crappy ACC Coastal team.....without their starting QB.......we played 5 teams like that in his glorious 2020 8 win season LMAO

-Generates at least 3 new excuses after every crappy loss (and I thought Al Golden was bad with his "cloud" BS)

-Is viewed as a joke by most anybody that is respected in football. I would pay good money to know what Mack Brown said to him at midfield, when Diaz was trying to runaway and Mack caught his arm and LAUGHED at him some more

-Never played CFB at any level (yes this matters)

-Took 6 games to figure out what the fanbase saw in game 1 of 2019. Greg Rousseau SHOULD START!

-Took 6 games to figure out the younger players on the 2021 team were the best part of our current team......which is to say they haven't yet been tainted by him and his crappy leadership........give it 2 years and the fanbase will be saying "James Williams stinks etc...."

-Should be at Temple FKing up their program

Geez do we need any more examples of why that loser needs to GTFO of our program???

 

[PIPO]

Another thing to remember about bringing Manny back next year, we play @ Texas A&M in game 2 and @ Clemson on next year's schedule. It is likely not going to be another great start.

Exactly! And many people want to ride into the season with homey next year for the exact same outcome to occur.

Plus not only is he wrecking this year’s class but he will be wrecking next year’s class as well as the following one due to the uncertainty. That’s 3 recruiting classes to keep an inept, over his head, HC.

 

[PIPO]

recruiting is done regardless, but for kids who are gonna come to UM no matter the coach, that's the last time they'll see us play live (since a decent amount will likely be visiting FSU that weekend). you win that game you can get those kids to commit and they'll likely stay on barring us hiring al golden. you lose, you lost those kids and you're pretty much done at that point. also, I don't think he wont be allowed to finish the year. I think you'll see they reached an agreement to leave (like TCU and LSU did). Patterson just didn't want to finish the season but was given the option. O was allowed to finish it off.

Just don’t let recruiting be done for the 2023s as well by keeping him on.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

So, if Manny wins regular season out. 8-4.

Faces WF for ACC, and wins. 9-4.

Faces a solid team in a NY6 bowl as ACC champion, 10-4

Sells to BOT, my losses were to two top 3 teams currently, and a game where my Fr QB was essentially making his first start.

10 - 4 ACC Champions, losses to two playoff teams, and Fr QB making first real start.

Hypothetically speaking, yall still want him fired? Think about what those final 6 games entail as well, dont keep your mind on 4-4 thoughts.

Just curios about these answers lol.

 

[TruCane81]

They didn't go into detail because they are pulling a snow job. I wouldn't be shocked if UHealth is making a loan or one time cash infusion to the athletic department, using COVID related losses as some kind of cover story. That said, UHealth won't be consistently doing that, and the athletic department should be able to swim on its own, with competent leadership. No school in the country is straight up robbing Peter to pay Paul to subsidize athletics, unless there's a catastrophic loss(IE COVID). I'm sure that Miami athletics has a donor in the pipeline that is stepping up as well, making it palatable to the powers that be at UHealth. UHealth will not be tapping into their profits on a regular basis to fund a department that gets to keep EVERYTHING it makes, doesn't have to share a dime with anyone else and when things are going well can be quite cash rich(relatively speaking).

So what’s the real story?

I keep hearing so many conflicting statements about how athletics is funded. I have heard for years that when the football program was raking in cash, it got diverted to other areas of the school. Is that just a big myth?

@1mg of Epi @Cribby Could you chime in on this? Does UM even put a real effort into fundraising for athletics? I saw someone say the ad was basically barred from fundraising when other parts of the school were panhandling. When there was real initiative to get the ipf done, it went up quick.

Anyone with any ideas of how all this fits together please respond with what you know or tag other posters in the know. I am sure I am not the only one confused about how these things work, both here and at schools who spend to compete but operate at a loss. Where do they make up the shortfall? Other university funds? Donors? Loans?

 

[UMFarArcher]

Headline is deceptive. All they said is that they weren’t inclined to fire him during the year and will evaluate after the year is done. Money won’t be an issue.

Yeah, it's always a great idea to wait until the end of the season - when lots of coaches traditionally get fired - and THEN start a coach hunt along with everyone else scrambling for the same thing.

Jenius.

 

[1mg of Epi]

So what’s the real story?

I keep hearing so many conflicting statements about how athletics is funded. I have heard for years that when the football program was raking in cash, it got diverted to other areas of the school. Is that just a big myth?

@1mg of Epi @Cribby Could you chime in on this? Does UM even put a real effort into fundraising for athletics? I saw someone say the ad was basically barred from fundraising when other parts of the school were panhandling. When there was real initiative to get the ipf done, it went up quick.

Anyone with any ideas of how all this fits together please respond with what you know or tag other posters in the know. I am sure I am not the only one confused about how these things work, both here and at schools who spend to compete but operate at a loss. Where do they make up the shortfall? Other university funds? Donors? Loans?

@Cribby is the real insider, not me. He seems to know people that matter first hand. Maybe he can tell us how far off this is….

I can tell u that shalala restructured how the AD operates financially, requiring it to generate everything it spends. The AD reimburses the university for scholarships etc . Prior to her it would operate out of the general funds.

This is why Blake James is liked by the BOT… he’s been able to raise enough cash to allow for the department to operate. They BOT hasn’t allowed boosters to pay for buyouts, but obviously they raise money for facilities, like IPF etc, which blake ran.

Frenk has allowed the Athletic Dept to go back to how it previously operated, and can finance some things w general funds. There has also apparently been a decent amount raised by some former players etc, so general funds may not be needed.

 

[Fluffhead]

There's nothing funnier than people that can't successfully read and interpret a tax document being conned. Then again, I'm not shocked, a lot of our fanbase are clueless in regards to how real organizations are managed. You think this "Article", that is extremely short on details is some kind of accurate description of what is going on? Of course not. I'll tell you this as someone that has worked in corporate finance for a while: Division heads aren't willing to prop up failing divisions indefinitely, especially when the division that is being propped won't ever be expected to pay it forward. The professionals at UHealth may be fine with putting a couple of bucks in to right the ship, but they aren't going to be utilized as a permanent piggy bank by an entity that can and should be self supporting. Manny played all of you for suckers, and Frenk and his people fed him the info.

I am not saying whether UHealth will or will not fund the AD, because I am not in any of those conversations, much like you. But I will say it is hilarious that you are talking down to people about not being able to read a tax document when the 990 shows UHealth and the AD are now both consolidated into the general university and are not separate legal entities. I would love to know from your corporate finance background how the same legal entity can possibly give a loan to itself, since you have kept saying UHealth will not give a loan to the AD, which I guess is true, since that is not really possible.

 

[423Hurricane]

So, if Manny wins regular season out. 8-4.

Faces WF for ACC, and wins. 9-4.

Faces a solid team in a NY6 bowl as ACC champion, 10-4

Sells to BOT, my losses were to two top 3 teams currently, and a game where my Fr QB was essentially making his first start.

10 - 4 ACC Champions, losses to two playoff teams, and Fr QB making first real start.

Hypothetically speaking, yall still want him fired? Think about what those final 6 games entail as well, dont keep your mind on 4-4 thoughts.

Just curios about these answers lol.

In that scenario, I’d say he’d have a solid argument for returning. He could also argue that his embarrassing losses - FIU, UNC, etc. - were part of his learning curve and he’s always preached about the need for a culture change.

If, and that’s a big if, he wins out - 10-4 - I think it would be difficult to argue against his return. If he does return, it has to be on a short leash and he must hire a DC.

Regardless if Manny stays or leaves, it’s imperative Blake is gone - sooner than later.

 

[Go Canes!!]

So, if Manny wins regular season out. 8-4.

Faces WF for ACC, and wins. 9-4.

Faces a solid team in a NY6 bowl as ACC champion, 10-4

Sells to BOT, my losses were to two top 3 teams currently, and a game where my Fr QB was essentially making his first start.

10 - 4 ACC Champions, losses to two playoff teams, and Fr QB making first real start.

Hypothetically speaking, yall still want him fired? Think about what those final 6 games entail as well, dont keep your mind on 4-4 thoughts.

Just curios about these answers lol.

Don’t see it happening but there’s no chance he’s fired if it actually plays out that way.

 

[1mg of Epi]

I am not saying whether UHealth will or will not fund the AD, because I am not in any of those conversations, much like you. But I will say it is hilarious that you are talking down to people about not being able to read a tax document when the 990 shows UHealth and the AD are now both consolidated into the general university and are not separate legal entities. I would love to know from your corporate finance background how the same legal entity can possibly give a loan to itself, since you have kept saying UHealth will not give a loan to the AD, which I guess is true, since that is not really possible.

This guy is a blowhard. He’s just making shlt up.