Malik wasn't the 1st

[Handsome Squidbum]

Miami Punted the ball on Offense 10 times, was 4/15 on 3rd down & only ran 59 plays the whole game.

Was the Defense perfect? No, not by any standard, they underperformed.

But, they gave the Offense 2 turnovers with a short field on the 30yd line & the Offense couldn't score.

Was the game 100% Rosier's fault? No... The OL, Richt & Special Teams deserve blame too & so does the Defense.

But, the Defense should be the last unit that catches heat for that game, it's quite obvious how the flow of the game went, the Offense didn't hold up their end & as a result he Defense eventually gave way.

The Defense has to score for us to win now? The Defense has to shut teams out for us win? They shouldn't expect for the Offense to be able to put up 3 TD's at least? Is that what yall are saying?

We have a ton of weapons on Offense, lots of speed on the perimeter & they're only good for a score or two and the Defense has to carry it the rest of the way or we lose is what you're saying?

Come on man... You don't have to reach this hard to make excuses, call a spade a spade.

Against Clemson we're going to have to bring our A game, every unit better show up & play their best game.

This is a good team no need to justify poor performances, they're all big boys & they know when they fcked up, Coaches have to get them ready & prepared for the biggest game this program has played in over a decade.

Agree 100%. But when virtually every unit on the team, at minimum, underperforms (this was the Pitt qbs first start!) and some are just abysmal (special teams, qb) that means the team was simply not ready to play on Friday at noon. That's on the head coach. I've actually coached 16- 18 year old high school kids (wrestling) and it's really not that hard to tell when they have no focus and would rather play grabass than execute at a high level. Richt gets paid A LOT of money to figure these things out. Disappointed in the HC more than Rosier.

The score was 10-7. We had 2 turnovers. WR were getting opened and not getting the ball. "Not ready to play" is a tired media narrative. We wouldn't be talking about punting if Malik hit the open WRs yesterday.

Well except that our defense dominated a ND team that is widely considered to have an OL that is among the best in football. Pitt is not nearly on that level and the qb was starting his first game ever. So we established that our D can easily dominate a lesser team. The Pitt qb should have been on his *** or running for his life nearly every play. Instead a QB who I think runs about 190 lbs soaking wet on multiple occasions trucked the Miami defenders and dragged them five yards on tackles. It looked like a Dnofrio coached defense. That "falls into the" not ready to play" category for me.

 

[OBLIVION]

what I remember about that BC game in 01 was that late in the game as Miami needed to run the clock out, the Oline was able to move people upfront and allowed Portis to move the chains effectively. In other words, they could run the ball when needed

That game was seemingly in hand till Gore than fumbled and well, we know what happened afterwords that game..

The point of the matter is this. Even though the QB played like ****. The play calling, the run game, special teams and the defense did what was needed.

Even after Gore fumbled and St Pierre converted a 4 and 10 to our 9 yard line. That squad made a play that allowed us to walk away with a win

That game should've never been close, but it was and units steeping up when someone was down made the difference.

 

[OBLIVION]

Miami Punted the ball on Offense 10 times, was 4/15 on 3rd down & only ran 59 plays the whole game.

Was the Defense perfect? No, not by any standard, they underperformed.

But, they gave the Offense 2 turnovers with a short field on the 30yd line & the Offense couldn't score.

Was the game 100% Rosier's fault? No... The OL, Richt & Special Teams deserve blame too & so does the Defense.

But, the Defense should be the last unit that catches heat for that game, it's quite obvious how the flow of the game went, the Offense didn't hold up their end & as a result he Defense eventually gave way.

The Defense has to score for us to win now? The Defense has to shut teams out for us win? They shouldn't expect for the Offense to be able to put up 3 TD's at least? Is that what yall are saying?

We have a ton of weapons on Offense, lots of speed on the perimeter & they're only good for a score or two and the Defense has to carry it the rest of the way or we lose is what you're saying?

Come on man... You don't have to reach this hard to make excuses, call a spade a spade.

Against Clemson we're going to have to bring our A game, every unit better show up & play their best game.

This is a good team no need to justify poor performances, they're all big boys & they know when they fcked up, Coaches have to get them ready & prepared for the biggest game this program has played in over a decade.

Calling a spade a spade includes calling out all units. You're acting as if i am putting the entire blame on the defense like others are trying to do to our QB.

Not once have i said Malik didn't play awful. It was entire team lose from the coaches down to the players. My point is that when one falls. The rest have to step up.

 

[OBLIVION]

A++, Gold Medal for the worst stretch I've seen soo far. Our old canes teams were elite for that era. With the spread and motions and the game reff'd for the offense, no one is shutting anyone down all game long. Alabama the most dominate defensive team in this decade didn't shut down Power 5 spread teams completely with decent schemes consistently. Who is to say how many yards our great defenses would have given up. in this new era.

And you should have your posting privileges revoked for a week comparing ken Dorsey to malik rosier. Looking at stats in a vacum as if that ever tells the whole story.

You're saying Pitt offense was decent?

Pointing out Dorsey **** the bed doesn't equal saying Malik is on his level. It saying one QB played like **** and the other facets of the team carried the weight.

I seen the 01 BC game live. So the stats aren't in a vacuum and anyone who didn't follow the team then can go back and watch it.

 

[OBLIVION]

Dorsey wasn't really a mobile QB but his jersey was always squeaky clean. His OL protection was out of this world. Someone may help me with stats of his sacks?

Dorsey had a regular season streak from the 00 Temple game to the 01 Temple game of no sacks, 12 games and 845 plays long.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

look at the games leading up to that game. Dorsey was consistently accurate and didn’t get off to slow starts. We were blowing teams out in the first quarter. Two totally different situations.

Dorsey will be mentioned with Toretta, Kelly, Kosar in terms of talent. Malik more so along the Jacory and Morris

I don't think anyone has ever talked about Rosier's talent behind anywhere near great. I remember when the Miami Herald ran an article a few weeks back that NFL teams were taking notice of Rosier and all I could do was shake my head at how little people who don't follow a program closely know about the players.

The issue, the point, and the takeaway from what we saw yesterday is that Richt panicked in a crucial moment. I've watched more football over the last 35 years than I care to admit and I can't tell you how many times, with teams all over the country and at all levels, where "Team A" struggles on offense with **** poor QB play for 3 quarters but manages to stay in a close game and then puts together just one or two good drives late in the 4th and wins. It happens all the ******* time....for the love of God it's happened to us on more than one occasion this season.

So there's the rub. Richt neutered any chance for that "one drive" to happen on one of the MOST CRUCIAL DRIVES in the 4th quarter. We had the ball in great field position, down by only 10, with more than 11 minutes on the clock. Richt just ****ed away a drive to someone try to prove some asinine point? With no capable back up QB to execute during Rosier's absence?

It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a head coach do at ANY level. Period.

It may have been the wrong move, but it wasn't "to prove a point" it was meant to be motivational. The game was slipping away and it didn't look like Rosier was getting his sht together so Richt sat him for a series hoping that would provide a spark. Personally, I think it was the right move but he should have done it sooner. It was too late, but Rosier came out and threw a TD so you could argue that it worked. You could also argue that the D had been doing a decent job so there was reason to expect the ball back 2-3 more times, but it didn't work out that way.

I only threw the "prove a point" thing in there because it's become a narrative with the retards on this board now in several of the other threads discussing the topic. The types on this board that blindly defend the coaching staff come up with garbage like this to attempt to justify something that isn't justifiable.

There is no universe where that was a good decision. This isn't a hindsight thing playing the result either. I lost my god**** mind the second the announcer cut in and revealed what the ghost of Randy Shannon had just done.

Agree to disagree.

Agree to disagree to the highest degree possible actually. There's no logical argument for what he did.

 

[Southcane]

what I remember about that BC game in 01 was that late in the game as Miami needed to run the clock out, the Oline was able to move people upfront and allowed Portis to move the chains effectively. In other words, they could run the ball when needed

That game was seemingly in hand till Gore than fumbled and well, we know what happened afterwords that game..

Most underrated post of this thread!
People blame our inability to run the ball on Rosier too. Making good throws by the QB is the only way our RB can move the ball. Message board logic at its finest.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Malik stunk up the joint yesterday and was a key player as why we lost, but he isn't the 1st QB to have a bad game.

In 2001 Dorsey stunk up the joint vs a **** BC team and almost lost the game. The difference is Dorsey had a real OL which could run and pass block. He had a real defense that didn't just cause turnovers but shut teams down. We won because others picked up the slack.

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A group that help carry the slack was the OL and Portis.

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Plus a defense that despite having an offense that turned the ball over 5 times. Kept going out and forcing 3 TO themselves and scoring a TD. All the while only giving up 7 points to BC.

Our only offensive points were from Todd Sievers FG.

Malik is not good enough too carry this team alone. It is shocking that we have 10 wins.

Everyone wants to blame him alone, but where is the outcry for a OL that can't open holes? Oh i forgot, reading this board Malik needs to complete those passes so we can run.

A defense that shuts down ND, but needs 25 from the offense to beat a 4-6 Pitt team.

This offense needs chunk plays in both the pass and run to function. Richt offense is offensive to anyone that calls themselves an OC.

The defense was on the field for too **** long yesterday. Malik not making throws and keeping drives alive finally broke our defense’s back. They gave Rosier 2 turnovers with excellent field position and Malik just f@cked them. You’re an ungrateful ******* for calling out the defense that with all their struggles yesterday, they kept us in the game. Malik is still our horse cause we have none better but this lose was on him. Like he said himself he was complacent, just out there to be out there and not dialed in.

Again with the Malik ****ed them?

Not Richt and his lack of an offensive mind.

Not the run game that was non existent, but you're one of the

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that thinks we have to pass in order to have a run game.

you're being a b*tch right now

WR's were open all game long, wtf do you want out of richt? You want the offensive line to be wide open too?

This board is full of simpletons and another jumps up to the plate.

Dorsey was on a super team, which this Years Canes are not. QB needs to hit the f@cking open receivers and make the opposing team respect the passing game Jack.

 

[deleted4697]

Blah..... If we would of won yesterday we all would of been on his **** talking about how he is a winner(he was in the first 10 games. Fact that we lost is magnifying all of his errors. With dorsey, he had 2 bad games his career, his sophomore yr vs la tach and bc the next yr.... We didn't see it coming wit dorsey.... We all seen it coming with malik

 

[caneworld]

Blah..... If we would of won yesterday we all would of been on his **** talking about how he is a winner(he was in the first 10 games. Fact that we lost is magnifying all of his errors. With dorsey, he had 2 bad games his career, his sophomore yr vs la tach and bc the next yr.... We didn't see it coming wit dorsey.... We all seen it coming with malik

It is not just the loss... his comments after the game clarified the doubts many had on how he looked.

 

[TheEye]

Malik stunk up the joint yesterday and was a key player as why we lost, but he isn't the 1st QB to have a bad game.

In 2001 Dorsey stunk up the joint vs a **** BC team and almost lost the game. The difference is Dorsey had a real OL which could run and pass block. He had a real defense that didn't just cause turnovers but shut teams down. We won because others picked up the slack.

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A group that help carry the slack was the OL and Portis.

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Plus a defense that despite having an offense that turned the ball over 5 times. Kept going out and forcing 3 TO themselves and scoring a TD. All the while only giving up 7 points to BC.

Our only offensive points were from Todd Sievers FG.

Malik is not good enough too carry this team alone. It is shocking that we have 10 wins.

Everyone wants to blame him alone, but where is the outcry for a OL that can't open holes? Oh i forgot, reading this board Malik needs to complete those passes so we can run.

A defense that shuts down ND, but needs 25 from the offense to beat a 4-6 Pitt team.

This offense needs chunk plays in both the pass and run to function. Richt offense is offensive to anyone that calls themselves an OC.

TRUTH!!

 

[deleted4697]

Blah..... If we would of won yesterday we all would of been on his **** talking about how he is a winner(he was in the first 10 games. Fact that we lost is magnifying all of his errors. With dorsey, he had 2 bad games his career, his sophomore yr vs la tach and bc the next yr.... We didn't see it coming wit dorsey.... We all seen it coming with malik

It is not just the loss... his comments after the game clarified the doubts many had on how he looked.

I feel that too.... Not something u wanna hear.... If he balls out the rest of the way then this loss won't hurt as bad.... But I don't know

 

[k9cane]

what I remember about that BC game in 01 was that late in the game as Miami needed to run the clock out, the Oline was able to move people upfront and allowed Portis to move the chains effectively. In other words, they could run the ball when needed

That game was seemingly in hand till Gore than fumbled and well, we know what happened afterwords that game..

Most underrated post of this thread!
People blame our inability to run the ball on Rosier too. Making good throws by the QB is the only way our RB can move the ball. Message board logic at its finest.

Ive said this over and over again, Rosier needs to be hidden behind a good solid running game. It's actually amazing that Miami got this far with him as the QB with such a putrid push upfront by the Oline in that department

 

[WR Cane]

As I look at these QB's playing today, it reinforces the fact that Malik should not be a starting QB...ANYWHERE.

 

[kryptonite]

I don't think anyone has ever talked about Rosier's talent behind anywhere near great. I remember when the Miami Herald ran an article a few weeks back that NFL teams were taking notice of Rosier and all I could do was shake my head at how little people who don't follow a program closely know about the players.

The issue, the point, and the takeaway from what we saw yesterday is that Richt panicked in a crucial moment. I've watched more football over the last 35 years than I care to admit and I can't tell you how many times, with teams all over the country and at all levels, where "Team A" struggles on offense with **** poor QB play for 3 quarters but manages to stay in a close game and then puts together just one or two good drives late in the 4th and wins. It happens all the ******* time....for the love of God it's happened to us on more than one occasion this season.

So there's the rub. Richt neutered any chance for that "one drive" to happen on one of the MOST CRUCIAL DRIVES in the 4th quarter. We had the ball in great field position, down by only 10, with more than 11 minutes on the clock. Richt just ****ed away a drive to someone try to prove some asinine point? With no capable back up QB to execute during Rosier's absence?

It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a head coach do at ANY level. Period.

It may have been the wrong move, but it wasn't "to prove a point" it was meant to be motivational. The game was slipping away and it didn't look like Rosier was getting his sht together so Richt sat him for a series hoping that would provide a spark. Personally, I think it was the right move but he should have done it sooner. It was too late, but Rosier came out and threw a TD so you could argue that it worked. You could also argue that the D had been doing a decent job so there was reason to expect the ball back 2-3 more times, but it didn't work out that way.

I only threw the "prove a point" thing in there because it's become a narrative with the retards on this board now in several of the other threads discussing the topic. The types on this board that blindly defend the coaching staff come up with garbage like this to attempt to justify something that isn't justifiable.

There is no universe where that was a good decision. This isn't a hindsight thing playing the result either. I lost my god**** mind the second the announcer cut in and revealed what the ghost of Randy Shannon had just done.

Agree to disagree.

Agree to disagree to the highest degree possible actually. There's no logical argument for what he did.

There is and I made it.

 

[Cribby]

15-34 and half the comp were to the flat, wow

 

[TallyCaneFan]

look at the games leading up to that game. Dorsey was consistently accurate and didn’t get off to slow starts. We were blowing teams out in the first quarter. Two totally different situations.

Dorsey will be mentioned with Toretta, Kelly, Kosar in terms of talent. Malik more so along the Jacory and Morris

And, look at the talent around Dorsey that allowed his consistency to occur. He had an OL that gave up, what, 8 sacks in an entire year? He had better talent at OL, RB, WR,TE, etc. Rosier is a marginal talent, but how do you think KD would look with this team - especially at OL - when he was a total statue and about as mobile as Kaaya. Let's keep things in perspective.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

It may have been the wrong move, but it wasn't "to prove a point" it was meant to be motivational. The game was slipping away and it didn't look like Rosier was getting his sht together so Richt sat him for a series hoping that would provide a spark. Personally, I think it was the right move but he should have done it sooner. It was too late, but Rosier came out and threw a TD so you could argue that it worked. You could also argue that the D had been doing a decent job so there was reason to expect the ball back 2-3 more times, but it didn't work out that way.

I only threw the "prove a point" thing in there because it's become a narrative with the retards on this board now in several of the other threads discussing the topic. The types on this board that blindly defend the coaching staff come up with garbage like this to attempt to justify something that isn't justifiable.

There is no universe where that was a good decision. This isn't a hindsight thing playing the result either. I lost my god**** mind the second the announcer cut in and revealed what the ghost of Randy Shannon had just done.

Agree to disagree.

Agree to disagree to the highest degree possible actually. There's no logical argument for what he did.

There is and I made it.

I read it, you didn't. It's not your fault either because that argument you're searching for doesn't exist.

 

[Canegrad89]

Rosier at his worst is WAY worse than Dorsey at his worst

Based on what?

Dorsey threw 4 fvckin INTs, can't run the ball, and had a 75 QBR

Malik threw 0 INTs, 2 TDs, ran for 40 yards, and had a 109 QBR


He was awful yesterday, but how is that worse than Dorsey at his worse? Dorsey also had elite NFL pro bowlers around him, and a better run game, defense, special teams, etc.

Dorsey didn't have as many bad outings - that's the difference. Been if you are comparing someone at their worst - I don't know how 4 INTs and 0 TDs doesn't take the cake. Maybe Vinny in Fiesta Bowl vs Penn St?

True dat! Dorsey was a great Cane (actually one of my favorites) but boy he could be painful to watch at times. When he was off, he was really off. The BC game was incredibly frustrating to watch until the Walters-Reed miracle. KD always competed intensely though & refused to lose. He also had an incredible roster of NFL HOFers and 1-3 round picks surrounding him.

 

[TheMatador]

Stop making excuses for him... Rosier's post game comments told us everything we needed to know!!!!

His head was somewhere else>>>

How's his father?