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Losing in winning? (Miami-Vatech thoughts)

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Is it eye test or Box Score watching, which one are we worried about? I think either way the committee will spin the narrative however way they want to. At this point we just need a team in front of us to lose more than any other factor we can control outside of just winning the game.
 
I can't blame Mario for winning games convincingly to the point the whole conversation is about style points and not the outcome of the game. Wins games and keep it moving. I dont see Texas A&M apologizing for needing an epic comeback to beat a sorry *** South Carolina after being down 30-3. Where were their style points? Mario shouldn't care about secret "Miami" criteria that doesnt apply to other schools.
 
k9cane said:
Miami wins 34-17, but really, based on what they needed -- a real convincing blowout -- this kinda felt like a... well, not sure. Louis Riddick, who called the game for ESPN seemed to understand the assignment better than the team or Mario Cristobal. Hey, it is what it is. It was interesting to see Miami score a last minute TD (Malware Toney, infecting secondaries all over the country) and I wonder if that will sway the perception any.

Yeah. it's come to this. But that's what happens when you drop ACC games you are favored in.

Today, there was losing in winning. Now, it seems like UM needs a ton of help to make the tournament.

- While Shannon Dawson will tell you that he hasn't drawn up anything new in the past few weeks, the reality is that this offense does look different. They came out in the first play with a full house backfield look and a hand off to Elija Lofton. You saw a lot more of the pistol formation, jet sweep action and continuing to utilize Malachi Toney as a throw off the end-around motion

It was all set up at the half. Miami put forth a dominating, up 20-3. But in a game where every point mattered and a convincing blowout was needed, the Canes sputtered in the second half. They not only failed to 'pour it on' as Jimmy Johnson said so famously, they actually had to hold off a hard charging Hokie squad that didn't quit.

- Again, the tempo that Cristobal plays with limits possessions and plays. Not sure why you would ever want to do that when you have the superior team and some of the offensive weapons Miami has. I love the new-found creativity, just wish there was a quicker tempo attached to it at times.

- Miami freshman continue to stand out, from Toney, to Josh Moore, to Daylen Upshaw and Girard Pringle, they all made key plays. This is a really good foundation on this side of the ball. The question is, who will be their QB?

- Speaking of which, Carson Beck has been really sharp the past few weeks. Just steady and accurate.

- Run defense wasn't good early on, and wasn't really good for much of this contest. The Hokies gashed them a bit in the first half, Marcellus Hawkins broke off a long run as Miami had issues getting off blocks and setting the edge. The VaTech offense was really handcuffed when they were in 3rd and long, but then late in the game they gave up some key conversions. This unit has been really good for most of the season, but today they weren't good enough for what Miami needed. To be fair, injuries have stripped this unit of key depth and solid polayers

- Near the end of the first half as Miami got the ball back, that series before as the Hokies had the ball, is exactly why fans flat out question the integrity of ACC officiating. Basically, they got 3 tries on 4th and 1, and they eventually got it as Kyrone Drones made a great individual effort as it looked like Chase Smith stuffed him. ACC officiating is beyond bad. I wonder if its flat out corrupted at times

- The Brockemeyer botched snap in the 3rd quarter was key. Miami had just gotten a first down deep in their territory and then that play put Miami way behind the sticks .The offense never recovered their mojo

- Is it just me or has Akheem Mesidor outplayed Ruben Bain the past few weeks?
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Notre Dame beat 1-10 BC by 15 points three weeks ago. Riddick and E$ECPN can **** off.
 
OldhamA said:
I can't help but chuckle at this fan base complaining about a 9 (possibly 10) win season, on the back of a 10 win season last year only beating VT by 17 in Blacksburg.

I'd love to bottle the feeling we had after losing to Middle Tennessee St (**** you could name a dozen games in the last 20 years like that) and open it up in a thread. That was inexcusable. This is just a very good football team that isn't quite elite enough to overcome refereeing yet.

Calm down and enjoy the ride. Good lord.
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Yes indeed. We're still 2 and a half weeks till the final rankings come out and I'm already tired of hearing about all the **** everybody has to do to get into the playoff. Really turning me off to college ball. When the Canes go on the road against a P4 team, win by 17, and the world makes it "feel" like a loss, ***** that.
 
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407cane said:
it got chippy at the end but we won by 3 scores on the road in November

if the case is "ND Beat Syracuse by more than we did"

then what is college football anyways?

just get to 10-2 and hope byu or Utah lose tonight and bama/oklahoma lose next week
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Agreed doesn’t really matter
 
Beck could’ve thrown for 500+ today. Easily. Yet Mario coaches not to lose till the last second TD.

Reminded of Brock vs UNCCH way back when except today we walked out w/ the W.
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
We need better RBs. Pringle, Fletch, Brown are complimentary pieces not starters on a championship team

Bain has 3 sacks on the season. That’s not it for a guy who is supposed to be the best player. Miss me with that holding ish

Game shouldn’t have been that close

Offense did the part for the most part
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Agee, people kill me with the Bain gets doubled teamed every play excuse as if guys like Clowney, The Bosa Brothers, Aiden Hutchinson etc didnt get double teamed and still produce like you should if your really that guy. The truth is Bain is a defensive tackle who does a good job playing defensive end considering. I think he could of been a all time great at defensive tackle
 
OldhamA said:
I can't help but chuckle at this fan base complaining about a 9 (possibly 10) win season, on the back of a 10 win season last year only beating VT by 17 in Blacksburg.

I'd love to bottle the feeling we had after losing to Middle Tennessee St (**** you could name a dozen games in the last 20 years like that) and open it up in a thread. That was inexcusable. This is just a very good football team that isn't quite elite enough to overcome refereeing yet.

Calm down and enjoy the ride. Good lord.
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We were rolling in the first quarter. First drive was really sharp and we were moving with some purpose. Second drive we ran a play and there was :26 if I remember correctly on the clock. We couldn’t get a play off in that time. Came out after the break and moved at a snails pace. Second drive was a Mario special. 14 plays 75 yards 9 minutes. I got downvoted when VT had the ball and were driving with about 5 min left in the half and they could have made it a 1 score game. Our tempo sucks and that’s why we lose to 7-3 teams every year. 8 total possessions in this game. 8.
 
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To me, it seemed like we started going to Fletcher in the A-gap in the 2nd half and it just sucked the wind out as it usually does.

Long, time consuming drives. No explosive plays. No tempo.

It’s just who our meathead coach is. That said, it’s a 17 point win on the road in November. Spread was -17.5 and we won by 17. Yeah, it didn’t pass the eye test like it did last week. Esp with ND currently up 28-0 halfway through the 1st quarter.

So yeah, root for someone ahead of us to drop one. Auburn over bama or lsu over Oklahoma. That happens and we beat Pitt and we are in. It ain’t over yet.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Yes indeed. We're still 2 and a half weeks till the final rankings come out and I'm already tired of hearing about all the **** everybody has to do to get into the playoff. Really turning me off to college ball. When the Canes go on the road against a P4 team, win by 17, and the world makes it "feel" like a loss, ***** that.
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It’s not really “the world” it’s maybe one ESPN honk, and a bunch of hyperventilating ladies on CIS. All that matters now is next week’s game in Pittsburgh.
 
k9cane said:
Miami wins 34-17, but really, based on what they needed -- a real convincing blowout -- this kinda felt like a... well, not sure. Louis Riddick, who called the game for ESPN seemed to understand the assignment better than the team or Mario Cristobal. Hey, it is what it is. It was interesting to see Miami score a last minute TD (Malware Toney, infecting secondaries all over the country) and I wonder if that will sway the perception any.

Yeah. it's come to this. But that's what happens when you drop ACC games you are favored in.

Today, there was losing in winning. Now, it seems like UM needs a ton of help to make the tournament.

- While Shannon Dawson will tell you that he hasn't drawn up anything new in the past few weeks, the reality is that this offense does look different. They came out in the first play with a full house backfield look and a hand off to Elija Lofton. You saw a lot more of the pistol formation, jet sweep action and continuing to utilize Malachi Toney as a throw off the end-around motion

It was all set up at the half. Miami put forth a dominating, up 20-3. But in a game where every point mattered and a convincing blowout was needed, the Canes sputtered in the second half. They not only failed to 'pour it on' as Jimmy Johnson said so famously, they actually had to hold off a hard charging Hokie squad that didn't quit.

- Again, the tempo that Cristobal plays with limits possessions and plays. Not sure why you would ever want to do that when you have the superior team and some of the offensive weapons Miami has. I love the new-found creativity, just wish there was a quicker tempo attached to it at times.

- Miami freshman continue to stand out, from Toney, to Josh Moore, to Daylen Upshaw and Girard Pringle, they all made key plays. This is a really good foundation on this side of the ball. The question is, who will be their QB?

- Speaking of which, Carson Beck has been really sharp the past few weeks. Just steady and accurate.

- Run defense wasn't good early on, and wasn't really good for much of this contest. The Hokies gashed them a bit in the first half, Marcellus Hawkins broke off a long run as Miami had issues getting off blocks and setting the edge. The VaTech offense was really handcuffed when they were in 3rd and long, but then late in the game they gave up some key conversions. This unit has been really good for most of the season, but today they weren't good enough for what Miami needed. To be fair, injuries have stripped this unit of key depth and solid polayers

- Near the end of the first half as Miami got the ball back, that series before as the Hokies had the ball, is exactly why fans flat out question the integrity of ACC officiating. Basically, they got 3 tries on 4th and 1, and they eventually got it as Kyrone Drones made a great individual effort as it looked like Chase Smith stuffed him. ACC officiating is beyond bad. I wonder if its flat out corrupted at times

- The Brockemeyer botched snap in the 3rd quarter was key. Miami had just gotten a first down deep in their territory and then that play put Miami way behind the sticks .The offense never recovered their mojo

- Is it just me or has Akheem Mesidor outplayed Ruben Bain the past few weeks?
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Love the write up, but we cannot excuse the officiating when it comes to the score of game. On 4th and long when they heaved it down to the 4, Mesidor got raped. Again right in front of the ref. That should have been 4th and 28. Yet no call was made and effectively handed VT seven points. This dline is playing their *** off and not getting rewarded. It’s downright criminal. But they sure as heck called MCCoy for a ticky tack holding. So with these refs, even when we win we lose somehow.
 
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