Looking at the 2014 schedule...

[Waffle Honcho]

I don't know about that. They also lost Reed, Jenkins, Sturgis, and two first round picks in Elam and Floyd.

My mistake. I wasn't thinking too much about the defense because that unit was still very strong. But Reed was a pretty good offensive weapon that they lost.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

I don't know about that. They also lost Reed, Jenkins, Sturgis, and two first round picks in Elam and Floyd.

My mistake. I wasn't thinking too much about the defense because that unit was still very strong. But Reed was a pretty good offensive weapon that they lost.

No problem. Let me ask you a question. If Elam is on the field, does Waters catch his TD? If Easley and Floyd are on the field, does Morris have enough time to throw to Dorsett? Just interested in what you think.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

That's pretty arbitrary criteria. Figures the mope squad would judge a team's decency by the number of losses they have at the end of the season. I've never heard of judging a team by how many losses they had, but I guess when you're that god**** negative all day that's all you think about. Also ridiculous to include Temple's numbers in there.

Meh. The, "Golden Slurpers," bring up Golden's Temple resume just as often as the, "Mope Squad," does to justify their points. Some say it shows that he's a miracle worker and some say it shows that he's grossly overrated. That's really a judgment call.

I'm not really sure how a team's loss total isn't a good indicator of their overall quality if wins are. There are exceptions like this year's Florida team where the final record isn't indicative of their level but that is rare. The argument of wins-losses all hinges on the opponents played and the eye test of on field performance to me. I'd rather win close against a Georgia Tech with near flawless football than blowout a Savannah State with mistakes all over the field. But that's just me. In the long run, I agree with you that criteria varies from person to person based on their own preferences.

It's just a backwards way of thinking. You don't become bowl-eligible based on the number of losses you don't have. It would diminish a team that was 8-4 or 7-5 at the end of the regular season but then lost the conference championship game and bowl game. So now that team that had a respectable 8-4 season now finished 8-6 and is no longer a "decent team".

I agree wholeheartedly in the "eye test". When people say that Florida team we beat last year wasn't decent because of their final record it's just retarded. And North Carolina who went 6-1 (the one loss being a 2 point loss to Duke) after we beat them in a Thursday night game on the road, likely a preseason top 20 as a result...they wouldn't be considered decent either.

Fair enough.

Tell us, who are the 'decent' teams that a Dorito Golden led team has beaten? (Intramurals don't count)

Last year I'd say Florida, UNC, and Ga Tech. Some would argue Pitt as well.

2012 NC State and Va Tech. Ga Tech won the coastal by default that year, that was an ok win.

2011 Ga Tech again.

Those were all "decent" teams.

All those teams sucked ballz.

 

[poncho0091]

There are 3 things to consider when discussing whether or not Florida was a "decent" team. I truly believed before the Florida game that they were a 4-5 loss team at minimum before the season started. I felt like LSU, UGA, Scar, and FSU were locks for losses for them. We were the toss up game imo.

Consideration 1. Their defense was elite.... before the injuries. Their defense alone was going to keep them in nearly every game imo and was easily one of the best in college football. Problem is consideration #2.

Consideration 2. Their offense was horrible and Driskel sucks. What would you say about a team if I told you all they did on offense was run the ball? In my eyes they better be **** good at it, like Wisconsin maybe. The problem is they don't have a good run game and they don't have a good passing game if they needed to be bailed out. That offense is one of the worst offenses of a top tier team I've seen in some time. Every defense literally has to just stack the box and then if take the chance Driskel passes which leaves a good chance of him throwing a pick anyways. Dnofrio honestly didn't even have to game plan. All he had to do was say everyone get in the box and then DB's just sat back and waited for the occasional pass (which they had a season high on us I believe). As elite as their defense was, their offense was equally bad. Their elite defense could have beaten us with as many mistakes as we make on offense only if their offense didn't make more mistakes.

Consideration 3. The deciding factor for me. I don't give a **** how many injuries they had. A top tier BCS team in the best conference has no business losing to Ga Southern. It's one thing if we are talking about UVA, WF, Kentucky, etc, but we are talking about Florida. This tells me already they were not that good of a team and just as bad, they had no depth.

That Florida team was just above average and that's only because of their defense, but no matter how you want to look at it, they weren't going anywhere with that offense.

They had an 11-1 regular season in 2012, and their team was largely unchanged going into 2013 outside of losing Gillislee and Bostic. Driskel led that 11-1 team.

I don't know about that. They also lost Reed, Jenkins, Sturgis, and two first round picks in Elam and Floyd.

Agree with Ted here. They lost some high level guys on defense, and just as importantly, they lost all of their true playmakers on offense. Gillislee and Reed were their only proven offensive threats, maybe Dunbar or Trey Burton next, but they haven't impressed. They went 11-1, but anyone who watched those games knew they weren't an 11-1 team. Maybe a 9-3 team and still a solid team. It showed up during the Louisville game where they got smoked. Lucky for them, LSU had just as bad as an offense as them with 3 big turnovers in that game and more importantly, they got A&M early and Johnny Manziel was in his second game ever as starter and couldn't close them out (he was such a different player by year's end). They had some big wins and caught some breaks in the process.

In 2013, what guys replaced those guys on defense that left? Who replaced their only 2 playmakers on offense that were gone? It appeared to me they didn't have suitable replacements for those guys and then they had injuries, no depth and a horrible offense regardless of who was playing.

Were they truly a 4-8 team? No, but I had them as a 5 loss team to start the season. Missou was a win for them the year before, but their qb was coming off a knee sprain and their rb sucked. This year they had Josey and healthy QBs and smashed Florida. Georgia played Florida this year with their 3rd string rb I believe and still won. More importantly, they lost to Ga Southern. A top level BCS team in the premier conference should have backups better than an FCS team's starters.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

I don't know about that. They also lost Reed, Jenkins, Sturgis, and two first round picks in Elam and Floyd.

My mistake. I wasn't thinking too much about the defense because that unit was still very strong. But Reed was a pretty good offensive weapon that they lost.

No problem. Let me ask you a question. If Elam is on the field, does Waters catch his TD? If Easley and Floyd are on the field, does Morris have enough time to throw to Dorsett? Just interested in what you think.

Waters definitely still catches that TD. That may have been the best pass of Morris' career. Tough to say about the other one. I don't remember how much time he had to throw that deep ball. Elam may have been able to make a difference on that one though.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Meh. The, "Golden Slurpers," bring up Golden's Temple resume just as often as the, "Mope Squad," does to justify their points. Some say it shows that he's a miracle worker and some say it shows that he's grossly overrated. That's really a judgment call.

I'm not really sure how a team's loss total isn't a good indicator of their overall quality if wins are. There are exceptions like this year's Florida team where the final record isn't indicative of their level but that is rare. The argument of wins-losses all hinges on the opponents played and the eye test of on field performance to me. I'd rather win close against a Georgia Tech with near flawless football than blowout a Savannah State with mistakes all over the field. But that's just me. In the long run, I agree with you that criteria varies from person to person based on their own preferences.

It's just a backwards way of thinking. You don't become bowl-eligible based on the number of losses you don't have. It would diminish a team that was 8-4 or 7-5 at the end of the regular season but then lost the conference championship game and bowl game. So now that team that had a respectable 8-4 season now finished 8-6 and is no longer a "decent team".

I agree wholeheartedly in the "eye test". When people say that Florida team we beat last year wasn't decent because of their final record it's just retarded. And North Carolina who went 6-1 (the one loss being a 2 point loss to Duke) after we beat them in a Thursday night game on the road, likely a preseason top 20 as a result...they wouldn't be considered decent either.

Fair enough.

Tell us, who are the 'decent' teams that a Dorito Golden led team has beaten? (Intramurals don't count)

Last year I'd say Florida, UNC, and Ga Tech. Some would argue Pitt as well.

2012 NC State and Va Tech. Ga Tech won the coastal by default that year, that was an ok win.

2011 Ga Tech again.

Those were all "decent" teams.

All those teams sucked ballz.

Thank you for the intelligent counterpoint.

 

[TrueCane100]

Who knows it was a miracle golden got this team to win 9 games last year... The new qb doesnt help though

You've said this for 64% of your comments and it wasn't true the first time you said it and it isn't true now.

So we were a 9 win team? We had 9 win talent .... Your kiddin right ... ??? You watch the nfl draft at all?

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Who knows it was a miracle golden got this team to win 9 games last year... The new qb doesnt help though

You've said this for 64% of your comments and it wasn't true the first time you said it and it isn't true now.

So we were a 9 win team? We had 9 win talent .... Your kiddin right ... ??? You watch the nfl draft at all?

No, whatever arbitrary number you want to assign is what we were. **** reality.

 

[NoVaCaneFan]

Louisville beats us 34-31
Nebraska beats us 41-14
FSU beats us 53-21

other than that every other game is a toss-up but those 3 games will be blowouts

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Louisville beats us 34-31
Nebraska beats us 41-14
FSU beats us 53-21

other than that every other game is a toss-up but those 3 games will be blowouts

34-31 is a blowout?

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Who knows it was a miracle golden got this team to win 9 games last year... The new qb doesnt help though

You've said this for 64% of your comments and it wasn't true the first time you said it and it isn't true now.

So we were a 9 win team? We had 9 win talent .... Your kiddin right ... ??? You watch the nfl draft at all?

We certainly were above a 9 win team. I didn't know that the NFL draft was the only indicator of talent. Apparently nobody told Michigan State that with their one player drafted this year. And talent doesn't have a win evaluation. The combination of talent and coaching does. But you're too busy being a blind Golden fan boy, unlike the other Golden supporters like CaneAlmighty and DaU83 who have fair critiques, to think that there is any problem with the coaching staff.

 

[DaU83]

Who knows it was a miracle golden got this team to win 9 games last year... The new qb doesnt help though

You've said this for 64% of your comments and it wasn't true the first time you said it and it isn't true now.

So we were a 9 win team? We had 9 win talent .... Your kiddin right ... ??? You watch the nfl draft at all?

We certainly were above a 9 win team. I didn't know that the NFL draft was the only indicator of talent. Apparently nobody told Michigan State that with their one player drafted this year. And talent doesn't have a win evaluation. The combination of talent and coaching does. But you're too busy being a blind Golden fan boy, unlike the other Golden supporters like CaneAlmighty and DaU83 who have fair critiques, to think that there is any problem with the coaching staff.

We probably were, but after losing Duke, we probably weren't.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Who knows it was a miracle golden got this team to win 9 games last year... The new qb doesnt help though

You've said this for 64% of your comments and it wasn't true the first time you said it and it isn't true now.

So we were a 9 win team? We had 9 win talent .... Your kiddin right ... ??? You watch the nfl draft at all?

We certainly were above a 9 win team. I didn't know that the NFL draft was the only indicator of talent. Apparently nobody told Michigan State that with their one player drafted this year. And talent doesn't have a win evaluation. The combination of talent and coaching does. But you're too busy being a blind Golden fan boy, unlike the other Golden supporters like CaneAlmighty and DaU83 who have fair critiques, to think that there is any problem with the coaching staff.

We probably were, but after losing Duke, we probably weren't.

Fair enough. I do struggle to believe that Duke was worth 18 points against Virginia Tech, 18 points against Duke, and 27 points against Louisville. And to be fair, we were 7 wins good with Duke and when we ran into the meat of the schedule without him, we were 2 wins good against 2 bad teams. This year will be telling.

 

[Bigtip]

we were losing the VT and UL games with or without Duke.

we MIGHT have won the Dook game with him in a shootout if we scored last but our defense was not stopping Dook with or without Duke

 

[DaU83]

You've said this for 64% of your comments and it wasn't true the first time you said it and it isn't true now.

So we were a 9 win team? We had 9 win talent .... Your kiddin right ... ??? You watch the nfl draft at all?

We certainly were above a 9 win team. I didn't know that the NFL draft was the only indicator of talent. Apparently nobody told Michigan State that with their one player drafted this year. And talent doesn't have a win evaluation. The combination of talent and coaching does. But you're too busy being a blind Golden fan boy, unlike the other Golden supporters like CaneAlmighty and DaU83 who have fair critiques, to think that there is any problem with the coaching staff.

We probably were, but after losing Duke, we probably weren't.

Fair enough. I do struggle to believe that Duke was worth 18 points against Virginia Tech, 18 points against Duke, and 27 points against Louisville. And to be fair, we were 7 wins good with Duke and when we ran into the meat of the schedule without him, we were 2 wins good against 2 bad teams. This year will be telling.

VT is VT.. we made too many mistakes in that game, regardless of the bad D, we gave up the ball 3 times early, and that was hard to recover form.. i don't know about the duke and louisville game, but the dynamic is much different when you're playing a team that's missing their best player.

 

[Real Talk]

I have us going undefeated. We are winning it all.

Thank you.

Real talk, on the streets we have a better chance of going Defeated than undefeated.

 

[UMFarArcher]

It's just a backwards way of thinking. You don't become bowl-eligible based on the number of losses you don't have. It would diminish a team that was 8-4 or 7-5 at the end of the regular season but then lost the conference championship game and bowl game. So now that team that had a respectable 8-4 season now finished 8-6 and is no longer a "decent team".

I agree wholeheartedly in the "eye test". When people say that Florida team we beat last year wasn't decent because of their final record it's just retarded. And North Carolina who went 6-1 (the one loss being a 2 point loss to Duke) after we beat them in a Thursday night game on the road, likely a preseason top 20 as a result...they wouldn't be considered decent either.

Fair enough.

Tell us, who are the 'decent' teams that a Dorito Golden led team has beaten? (Intramurals don't count)

Last year I'd say Florida, UNC, and Ga Tech. Some would argue Pitt as well.

2012 NC State and Va Tech. Ga Tech won the coastal by default that year, that was an ok win.

2011 Ga Tech again.

Those were all "decent" teams.

All those teams sucked ballz.

Thank you for the intelligent counterpoint.

No doubt. Those teams sukked balls, they've mostly always sukked balls, probably always will sukk balls, and of course, we sukk balls.

The other teams can't help it - as they're not sitting dead-nuts-on-top of the hottest talent bed in the nation.

 

[weownfsu]

No responses.

Standard

The difference between us "mopes" and the Golden Roaders is that we have actual facts and data to back up our skepticism.

Their arguments are entirely based on hope.

i thing the strongest fact you have on your side is that our record has consistently improved each year under golden..

I fully expect these spinless mopers to down play the UL win by questioning if UL is really that good or some type of ******ry.

Who is going to be more upset and rustled when UL gets beat down in the first game? UL or Mope City?

.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I have us going undefeated. We are winning it all.

Thank you.

I bet you feel like a dumbass now, don't you?

We tried to tell you.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Fair enough.

Tell us, who are the 'decent' teams that a Dorito Golden led team has beaten? (Intramurals don't count)

Last year I'd say Florida, UNC, and Ga Tech. Some would argue Pitt as well.

2012 NC State and Va Tech. Ga Tech won the coastal by default that year, that was an ok win.

2011 Ga Tech again.

Those were all "decent" teams.

All those teams sucked ballz.

Thank you for the intelligent counterpoint.

No doubt. Those teams sukked balls, they've mostly always sukked balls, probably always will sukk balls, and of course, we sukk balls.

The other teams can't help it - as they're not sitting dead-nuts-on-top of the hottest talent bed in the nation.

Those teams still suck ballz. Some of them even beat us again.