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Lmaoooooooooo at Shanny going for 2 down 8

terdferguson said:
Whether a decision works out or not is not the determining factor on if it was a good decision. For example, let's say it's 4th and 10 from your own 5 yard line in the first quarter and the coach goes for it and gets it.
Does that mean it was a smart decision?
Of course not.

Manny going for two in that scenario today was certainly a head scratcher and statistically speaking, the wrong decision.
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If that outcome results in a touchdown, then yes it was a smart decision. Like I said Though it’s unconventional. I’d even say low percentage play..but it all depends on the outcome..having Baxa trout out for the lead was a bad decision..should’ve just went for two..this is called armrest coaching
 
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terdferguson said:
Whether a decision works out or not is not the determining factor on if it was a good decision. For example, let's say it's 4th and 10 from your own 5 yard line in the first quarter and the coach goes for it and gets it.
Does that mean it was a smart decision?
Of course not.

Manny going for two in that scenario today was certainly a head scratcher and statistically speaking, the wrong decision.
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Statistically, maybe. But he knows what we have in our kicker. I would rather put the game in DJ Dallas's hands than Bubba Baxa. VT drove straight down the field and scored a TD, so it wouldn't have mattered either way.

If Baxa had blown his knee out and we had no kicker, would you complain about going for 2? I assume not. You dont ask the punter to kick the FGs instead. That's even lower percentage than going for 2. For all intents and purposes, Baxa was unavailable. He was out with a case of the yips, which was proven on the very next Miami TD. The problem is Diaz lost his nerve. He should have gone for 2 the 2nd time as well. Baxa is the worst kicker I've ever seen.
 
305to954 said:
If that outcome results in a touchdown, then yes it was a smart decision. Like I said Though it’s unconventional. I’d even say low percentage play..but it all depends on the outcome..having Baxa trout out for the lead was a bad decision..should’ve just went for two..this is called armrest coaching
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Do yourself a favor and never ever go to Las Vegas.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Statistically, maybe. But he knows what we have in our kicker. I would rather put the game in DJ Dallas's hands than Bubba Baxa. VT drove straight down the field and scored a TD, so it wouldn't have mattered either way.

If Baxa had blown his knee out and we had no kicker, would you complain about going for 2? I assume not. You dont ask the punter to kick the FGs instead. That's even lower percentage than going for 2. For all intents and purposes, Baxa was unavailable. He was out with a case of the yips, which was proven on the very next Miami TD. The problem is Diaz lost his nerve. He should have gone for 2 the 2nd time as well. Baxa is the worst kicker I've ever seen.
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Well at the end..the higher percentage play is to let Baxa hit the winner..but this all assumes mannys intentions were to not have to play OT...which is why u would go for two on the previous TD..I’m not saying it’s a good or bad decision just unconventional. And sense it played out how it was intended, you can’t say it was a bad decision
 
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I don’t get the call from a risk reward perspective. You already have momentum by virtue of cutting it to 7. If you go for 2 and miss it, you hand momentum back over.

Going for 2 to win is fine. But in this situation it was dumb af and isnt. grounded in sound logic.
 
In a vacuum, it's a clear cut statistical answer: down 14, going for 2 is an advantageous decision over going for 1 (assuming a score by the opponent "ends" the game either way). In said vacuum, Manny made the correct statistical decision.

It may seem "clear cut" to go for 1 at a glance, but, similar to the Monty Hall problem, there are "hidden statistics" if you will.

Essentially by going for 2, using averages here to make things simple, you leverage a very slightly increased chance in losing the game for an extremely large increased chance in winning that was once no chance.

There are plenty of articles breaking this down if you simply google it. Try "going for 2 down 14" and the results are overwhelming explaining it. See attached.

That said this is in a vacuum-- it doesn't account for details about your offense, red zone offense, conversion % and the reverse for the defense. So outside of that vacuum would I have done it based on our redzone offense, probably not, but maybe knowing Baxa sucks lol.

I am not happy with today's game but love seeing internet posters call others "retarted" when they are the ones who are wrong.
 

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HitStick2620 said:
Then why did he trot him out there when we tied it?
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It doesn’t matter at this point but there’s a difference kicking it if it’s 35-35 vs a situation if Miami only had 34 points there. If we had only 34 there no doubt manny is tempted to go for it
 
Didn’t agree with the call but what can you do with a gutless kicker like Baxa, I’d rather have the ball in the hands of deejay than depending on a little Nancy boy who still wets his bed..
 
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MISTER OWL said:
Manny is grasping for straws. He is clueless out there. This is above his capacity
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Sad to say ... and this is business, not personal . the Manny experiment was over today. All questions about Manny being able
to lead the Canes back to the top were answered. He ain't the right coach and it's not happening with him as HC.

Remember --- Manny had TWO ******* WEEKS to get Miami ready to play a team that lost at home to DUKE BY 35 POINTS !!!
 
TimeB0mb said:
Statistically, maybe. But he knows what we have in our kicker. I would rather put the game in DJ Dallas's hands than Bubba Baxa. VT drove straight down the field and scored a TD, so it wouldn't have mattered either way.

If Baxa had blown his knee out and we had no kicker, would you complain about going for 2? I assume not. You dont ask the punter to kick the FGs instead. That's even lower percentage than going for 2. For all intents and purposes, Baxa was unavailable. He was out with a case of the yips, which was proven on the very next Miami TD. The problem is Diaz lost his nerve. He should have gone for 2 the 2nd time as well. Baxa is the worst kicker I've ever seen.
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If he made that call solely on lack of confidence in baxa, then that's different.
subzero said:
In a vacuum, it's a clear cut statistical answer: down 14, going for 2 is an advantageous decision over going for 1 (assuming a score by the opponent "ends" the game either way). In said vacuum, Manny made the correct statistical decision.

It may seem "clear cut" to go for 1 at a glance, but, similar to the Monty Hall problem, there are "hidden statistics" if you will.

Essentially by going for 2, using averages here to make things simple, you leverage a very slightly increased chance in losing the game for an extremely large increased chance in winning that was once no chance.

There are plenty of articles breaking this down if you simply google it. Try "going for 2 down 14" and the results are overwhelming explaining it. See attached.

That said this is in a vacuum-- it doesn't account for details about your offense, red zone offense, conversion % and the reverse for the defense. So outside of that vacuum would I have done it based on our redzone offense, probably not, but maybe knowing Baxa sucks lol.

I am not happy with today's game but love seeing internet posters call others "retarted" when they are the ones who are wrong.
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Ahhh, didn't think about the increased odds of winning. Thanks.
 
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