Listening to Russillo and Kanell

[Cribby]

I agree we suck. I agree our job doesn't have much appeal. I agree Golden is the biggest piece of **** ever to walk the face of the earth, and I agree the rivalry has lost a lot of its luster, but I don't agree with the, "it's not a rivalry when one team wins all the time." They've won five in a row. 3 have been competitive (2011, 2012, 2014). We won 6 in a row from 2000-2004 (with 2 blowouts, 2001 and 2003) and it was still every bit a rivalry.

PS
I hate Al Golden

I think they were talking " ****" and " national stage". It used to be the game of the year

 

[Problem2]

Kannell and the rest of these FSU dudes can say whatever they want on TV, Chip in Miami is their worst nightmare.

Right after is Herman.

 

[Notsince1985]

To the OP's point - UM is not an excessively wealthy university. Donna did yeoman's work in the area of fund raising but those monies are primarily dedicated to their medical programs, as they should be.

UM has to be creative in its hiring practices in order to draw the right coach(es) who want to use UM as a spring board for their careers. Again, access to the nation's most fertile recruiting ground needs to be a key point in their coaching evals. The problem was the donna was a pure clintonite - Style over substance at all costs. Her hires and more to the point, her contract extensions have been the program killers.

We will likely not be able to afford a Chip Kelly. He's a known entity. UM needs to focus on the Next Chip Kelly or a guy winding down his career who wants one last hurrah at winning a title. I can think of one guy who comes to mind.

I don't want to go down the road with you regarding overall university finances but am curious if you'd agree with this assessment- Our athletic department (football specific) has been woefully underutilized for decades in relation to profit utilization of a name brand and in general fundraising. Now you can blame that both on the actual university and the AD's but I still believe that there is no good reason why our athletic department isn't "wealthy" enough for the cash-strapped argument to never be taken seriously. With proper oversight starting in the 80's we absolutely should be on par with the USC's of the world by now.

USC enrollment 43k, UM enrollment 16k. Factor in significant gap in alumni those enrollment #'s add up to over the last fifty years and it's easy to see why we won't ever be USC.

Their undergrad enrollment is much closer to ours though. I thought it was like 17k. Granted, it's a lofty goal now but had we actually managed one of the hottest commodities in all of sports in the 80's properly and even taken advantage of the second run in the first part of this century then maybe there wouldn't be such a big gulf. Funny how a lot of the same people in power would laugh at the comparison but would sit there and nod their heads if Lil Donna predicted that we'd be on par with a similar institution academically- a feat obviously MUCH harder to achieve as she left office with us ranked fairly close to where we were when she took over.

Undergrad is 19K, grad is 24K. UM has 11K undergrads and 6K grads.

 

[Notsince1985]

I agree we suck. I agree our job doesn't have much appeal. I agree Golden is the biggest piece of **** ever to walk the face of the earth, and I agree the rivalry has lost a lot of its luster, but I don't agree with the, "it's not a rivalry when one team wins all the time." They've won five in a row. 3 have been competitive (2011, 2012, 2014). We won 6 in a row from 2000-2004 (with 2 blowouts, 2001 and 2003) and it was still every bit a rivalry.

PS
I hate Al Golden

I think they were talking " ****" and " national stage". It used to be the game of the year

I completely agree with that

 

[Tad Footeball]

To the OP's point - UM is not an excessively wealthy university. Donna did yeoman's work in the area of fund raising but those monies are primarily dedicated to their medical programs, as they should be.

UM has to be creative in its hiring practices in order to draw the right coach(es) who want to use UM as a spring board for their careers. Again, access to the nation's most fertile recruiting ground needs to be a key point in their coaching evals. The problem was the donna was a pure clintonite - Style over substance at all costs. Her hires and more to the point, her contract extensions have been the program killers.

We will likely not be able to afford a Chip Kelly. He's a known entity. UM needs to focus on the Next Chip Kelly or a guy winding down his career who wants one last hurrah at winning a title. I can think of one guy who comes to mind.

I don't want to go down the road with you regarding overall university finances but am curious if you'd agree with this assessment- Our athletic department (football specific) has been woefully underutilized for decades in relation to profit utilization of a name brand and in general fundraising. Now you can blame that both on the actual university and the AD's but I still believe that there is no good reason why our athletic department isn't "wealthy" enough for the cash-strapped argument to never be taken seriously. With proper oversight starting in the 80's we absolutely should be on par with the USC's of the world by now.

USC enrollment 43k, UM enrollment 16k. Factor in significant gap in alumni those enrollment #'s add up to over the last fifty years and it's easy to see why we won't ever be USC.

Their undergrad enrollment is much closer to ours though. I thought it was like 17k. Granted, it's a lofty goal now but had we actually managed one of the hottest commodities in all of sports in the 80's properly and even taken advantage of the second run in the first part of this century then maybe there wouldn't be such a big gulf. Funny how a lot of the same people in power would laugh at the comparison but would sit there and nod their heads if Lil Donna predicted that we'd be on par with a similar institution academically- a feat obviously MUCH harder to achieve as she left office with us ranked fairly close to where we were when she took over.

Undergrad is 19K, grad is 24K. UM has 11K undergrads and 6K grads.

Gotcha. I tend to discount grad school numbers when it comes to athletic dept fundraising though. Those figures usually are composed of people that went to the school for undergrad anyway, have an allegiance to another school's athletics or simply don't care about sports.

 

[FullyERicht]

To the OP's point - UM is not an excessively wealthy university. Donna did yeoman's work in the area of fund raising but those monies are primarily dedicated to their medical programs, as they should be.

UM has to be creative in its hiring practices in order to draw the right coach(es) who want to use UM as a spring board for their careers. Again, access to the nation's most fertile recruiting ground needs to be a key point in their coaching evals. The problem was the donna was a pure clintonite - Style over substance at all costs. Her hires and more to the point, her contract extensions have been the program killers.

We will likely not be able to afford a Chip Kelly. He's a known entity. UM needs to focus on the Next Chip Kelly or a guy winding down his career who wants one last hurrah at winning a title. I can think of one guy who comes to mind.

This is just not an accurate statement.

Miami CHOSES not to spend, b/c Miami desperately tried to distance itself from it's football image under Shalala.

When Miami got fed up with being a doormat in 1978, they went out and hired an elite NFL guy. And that was before we had 5 titles and ACC money. It's disconcerting to see a moderator spreading blatantly inaccurate info.

 

[Salt]

To the OP's point - UM is not an excessively wealthy university. Donna did yeoman's work in the area of fund raising but those monies are primarily dedicated to their medical programs, as they should be.

UM has to be creative in its hiring practices in order to draw the right coach(es) who want to use UM as a spring board for their careers. Again, access to the nation's most fertile recruiting ground needs to be a key point in their coaching evals. The problem was the donna was a pure clintonite - Style over substance at all costs. Her hires and more to the point, her contract extensions have been the program killers.

We will likely not be able to afford a Chip Kelly. He's a known entity. UM needs to focus on the Next Chip Kelly or a guy winding down his career who wants one last hurrah at winning a title. I can think of one guy who comes to mind.

This is about right. If they are going to spend, I would invest in quality AD. But the formula of finding talented up and comers has worked. We will not do well with coaches who want to be lifers.

 

[jw410]

They were discussing spots for chip in college. They name the typical places like Texas, USC and finally Miami. They both laugh and RR says " yeah, only if Chip comes as a volunteer". Then Kanell laughs and says " they aren't paying ".

So it's universally known that Miami is cheap.

They also mentioned they haven't talked UM/Fsu game all week . Both agreed it's sad where the rivalry is, and it's because Miami is a joke.

Nothing earth shattering.

Russillo was all about Oregon the last 5 years and is now off that bandwagon as well. These guys talk about flavor of the month. Who cares.

Russillo= bandwagon

 

[FullyERicht]

To the OP's point - UM is not an excessively wealthy university. Donna did yeoman's work in the area of fund raising but those monies are primarily dedicated to their medical programs, as they should be.

UM has to be creative in its hiring practices in order to draw the right coach(es) who want to use UM as a spring board for their careers. Again, access to the nation's most fertile recruiting ground needs to be a key point in their coaching evals. The problem was the donna was a pure clintonite - Style over substance at all costs. Her hires and more to the point, her contract extensions have been the program killers.

We will likely not be able to afford a Chip Kelly. He's a known entity. UM needs to focus on the Next Chip Kelly or a guy winding down his career who wants one last hurrah at winning a title. I can think of one guy who comes to mind.

I don't want to go down the road with you regarding overall university finances but am curious if you'd agree with this assessment- Our athletic department (football specific) has been woefully underutilized for decades in relation to profit utilization of a name brand and in general fundraising. Now you can blame that both on the actual university and the AD's but I still believe that there is no good reason why our athletic department isn't "wealthy" enough for the cash-strapped argument to never be taken seriously. With proper oversight starting in the 80's we absolutely should be on par with the USC's of the world by now.

USC enrollment 43k, UM enrollment 16k. Factor in significant gap in alumni those enrollment #'s add up to over the last fifty years and it's easy to see why we won't ever be USC.

LOL this porster is a blatant Gator troll.

Duke has a miniscule enrollment compared to UCF. Who pays more for their basketball coach?

Miami has plenty of money to hire an elite coach. Anyone suggesting they don't is a fool or troll. Whether they WANT to is a different story.

 

[Notsince1985]

I don't want to go down the road with you regarding overall university finances but am curious if you'd agree with this assessment- Our athletic department (football specific) has been woefully underutilized for decades in relation to profit utilization of a name brand and in general fundraising. Now you can blame that both on the actual university and the AD's but I still believe that there is no good reason why our athletic department isn't "wealthy" enough for the cash-strapped argument to never be taken seriously. With proper oversight starting in the 80's we absolutely should be on par with the USC's of the world by now.

USC enrollment 43k, UM enrollment 16k. Factor in significant gap in alumni those enrollment #'s add up to over the last fifty years and it's easy to see why we won't ever be USC.

Their undergrad enrollment is much closer to ours though. I thought it was like 17k. Granted, it's a lofty goal now but had we actually managed one of the hottest commodities in all of sports in the 80's properly and even taken advantage of the second run in the first part of this century then maybe there wouldn't be such a big gulf. Funny how a lot of the same people in power would laugh at the comparison but would sit there and nod their heads if Lil Donna predicted that we'd be on par with a similar institution academically- a feat obviously MUCH harder to achieve as she left office with us ranked fairly close to where we were when she took over.

Undergrad is 19K, grad is 24K. UM has 11K undergrads and 6K grads.

Gotcha. I tend to discount grad school numbers when it comes to athletic dept fundraising though. Those figures usually are composed of people that went to the school for undergrad anyway, have an allegiance to another school's athletics or simply don't care about sports.

Agree completely. I went to FSU for grad school, but just because there was a specific professor I wanted to work with.

 

[Cribby]

They were discussing spots for chip in college. They name the typical places like Texas, USC and finally Miami. They both laugh and RR says " yeah, only if Chip comes as a volunteer". Then Kanell laughs and says " they aren't paying ".

So it's universally known that Miami is cheap.

They also mentioned they haven't talked UM/Fsu game all week . Both agreed it's sad where the rivalry is, and it's because Miami is a joke.

Nothing earth shattering.

Russillo was all about Oregon the last 5 years and is now off that bandwagon as well. These guys talk about flavor of the month. Who cares.

Russillo= bandwagon

If bandwagon is building teams up that deserve it and not playing favs then I guess that makes him a bandwagon rider. I mean it's not like he has a team.

He's just not a blinded fan , which must people are.

IMO he's never came off that way , d I've listened off and on for years

 

[Tad Footeball]

They were discussing spots for chip in college. They name the typical places like Texas, USC and finally Miami. They both laugh and RR says " yeah, only if Chip comes as a volunteer". Then Kanell laughs and says " they aren't paying ".

So it's universally known that Miami is cheap.

They also mentioned they haven't talked UM/Fsu game all week . Both agreed it's sad where the rivalry is, and it's because Miami is a joke.

Nothing earth shattering.

Russillo was all about Oregon the last 5 years and is now off that bandwagon as well. These guys talk about flavor of the month. Who cares.

Russillo= bandwagon

I dunno. He's just a big Chip Kelly guy. More of a Boston apologist than bandwagon. That said, Kanell's takes on college football are much more spot on even though people at that network still try to cast him as a "SEC hating contrarian".

 

[cowboycane]

The reality is we (for whatever reason) are not players for big name coaches. Our issue is that we have been looking for the guy that is going to set up shop here for 15 years. We need to embrace what we are and get the guys that want to be the next Belichick, not the next Mark Richt.

 

[FullyERicht]

2.5 million for a coach in 2001 (what we paid Coker) is equivalent to around 4-5 million today. There has been dramatic inflation in regards to college coaching salaries, b/c there has been a dramatic influx in money via major TV contracts, the BCS, the playoffs and profit sharing.

Miami can unquestionably pay 4 or 5 mil for coach. They just haven't wanted to b/c A) they keep having to buyout bad coaches and B) they are arrogant and behind the times just like they are with the sliding scale and C) they have desperately wanted to be a different type of program.

 

[westcoastcanes]

It is sad where the rivalry is. And this isn't just as a Miami fan, college football is better when games like osu/mich, texas/okla; ND/USC actually have an impact on the landscape. Maybe I just need to get over it and stop being greedy, but I rather watch a good red river rivalry than iron skillet rivalry for example.

 

[Cribby]

They were discussing spots for chip in college. They name the typical places like Texas, USC and finally Miami. They both laugh and RR says " yeah, only if Chip comes as a volunteer". Then Kanell laughs and says " they aren't paying ".

So it's universally known that Miami is cheap.

They also mentioned they haven't talked UM/Fsu game all week . Both agreed it's sad where the rivalry is, and it's because Miami is a joke.

Nothing earth shattering.

Russillo was all about Oregon the last 5 years and is now off that bandwagon as well. These guys talk about flavor of the month. Who cares.

Russillo= bandwagon

I dunno. He's just a big Chip Kelly guy. More of a Boston apologist than bandwagon. That said, Kanell's takes on college football are much more spot on even though people at that network still try to cast him as a "SEC hating contrarian".

Anybody that knows football or doesn't have an agenda loves Chip. Dude is a brilliant guy, innovator that changed football.

It's the silly guy stuck in the 80's or the guy just trying to be contrarian that hates on him.

If you haven't won a national title or Super Bowl you're a corch. It's silly and funny at the same time.

 

[gfer1988]

To the OP's point - UM is not an excessively wealthy university. Donna did yeoman's work in the area of fund raising but those monies are primarily dedicated to their medical programs, as they should be.

UM has to be creative in its hiring practices in order to draw the right coach(es) who want to use UM as a spring board for their careers. Again, access to the nation's most fertile recruiting ground needs to be a key point in their coaching evals. The problem was the donna was a pure clintonite - Style over substance at all costs. Her hires and more to the point, her contract extensions have been the program killers.

We will likely not be able to afford a Chip Kelly. He's a known entity. UM needs to focus on the Next Chip Kelly or a guy winding down his career who wants one last hurrah at winning a title. I can think of one guy who comes to mind.

idk what to believe. but i'm with the party that says they're cheap, not broke. Even Flake James was on an interview with Wqam a year ago stating that they were not fiscally responsible with they way they invested in the football program. which leads me to believe that they had the money for things like coaches, facilities, and equipment as they were they highest money making program at one time, but chose not to invest the money back into the program.

 

[Canes21]

Miami has money, it just doesn't like to budget it back into the football program or athletics in general.

 

[Notsince1985]

I don't want to hear that Miami doesn't have money. We paid Gruden $3.5 million in 2010, and that doesn't include what we paid his brother to be OC and Leavitt to be DC. Ferman told me, so it happened.

 

[Cribby]

Miami has money, it just doesn't like to budget it back into the football program or athletics in general.

Bingo