Line Moving Hard Towards Clemson

[jhop88]

As much as I hate to say this, Miami is getting drug tonight. I've been thinking about it all week. Outside of ND (and they proved to be ok), Miami has played average competition all season. Normally I don't think this would be a huge warning sign, but they struggled against this average competition. That shouldn't happen EVERY GAME if you're a legit Top 5 team. Add that to the fact that this QB isn't instilling confidence in anyone. Along with being a U fan, I'm a Bucs fan, and Rosier reminds me of Winston w/o the talent. Inconsistent asf and way too inaccurate to be a big time QB.

I've been wrong before so I really hope I'm wrong again tonight.

With all that being said, go Canes!

Sorry but Canes have played one of the top 5 overall schedules all year so that don't hold water. I agree we lose but it will be close and if we get a bounce or 2 we could win. Miami IMO has better starters but Clemson has great depth whereas UM has very little. Also Clemson has been there before where we are in year 2 of rebuild.

Top 5 overall schedule? Dude, how?

Also important... Clemson QB >>> Miami QB

 

[Nixed]

As much as I hate to say this, Miami is getting drug tonight. I've been thinking about it all week. Outside of ND (and they proved to be ok), Miami has played average competition all season. Normally I don't think this would be a huge warning sign, but they struggled against this average competition. That shouldn't happen EVERY GAME if you're a legit Top 5 team. Add that to the fact that this QB isn't instilling confidence in anyone. Along with being a U fan, I'm a Bucs fan, and Rosier reminds me of Winston w/o the talent. Inconsistent asf and way too inaccurate to be a big time QB.

I've been wrong before so I really hope I'm wrong again tonight.

With all that being said, go Canes!

Sorry but Canes have played one of the top 5 overall schedules all year so that don't hold water. I agree we lose but it will be close and if we get a bounce or 2 we could win. Miami IMO has better starters but Clemson has great depth whereas UM has very little. Also Clemson has been there before where we are in year 2 of rebuild.

Top 5 overall schedule? Dude, how?

Also important... Clemson QB >>> Miami QB

I'd say Bryant is probably overall better than Rosier but you make it sound like he's leagues ahead. He's not. Bryant is talented. Rosier is **** talented too, he's just also really inconsistent. I know we all love to crap on Rosier when he messes up, especially after that travesty of a performance against Pitt and those bad decisions against VT, but he also makes some **** plays when it counts man. He was pretty sharp passing the ball against ND, and he's been quite good at making reads off the RPO all season.

I can never predict what Rosier is gonna do. Maybe he ***** the bed, maybe he plays like a stud again tonight. If our offensive line can play to their best and Rosier comes out looking sharp, I think we win. If not, well it'll be a long night.

But saying "BRYANT >>> ROSIER" ? Nah man.. Maybe he's better, but he's not THAT much better. Have a little faith in the kid.

 

[GenericYesMan]

As much as I hate to say this, Miami is getting drug tonight. I've been thinking about it all week. Outside of ND (and they proved to be ok), Miami has played average competition all season. Normally I don't think this would be a huge warning sign, but they struggled against this average competition. That shouldn't happen EVERY GAME if you're a legit Top 5 team. Add that to the fact that this QB isn't instilling confidence in anyone. Along with being a U fan, I'm a Bucs fan, and Rosier reminds me of Winston w/o the talent. Inconsistent asf and way too inaccurate to be a big time QB.

I've been wrong before so I really hope I'm wrong again tonight.

With all that being said, go Canes!

Sorry but Canes have played one of the top 5 overall schedules all year so that don't hold water. I agree we lose but it will be close and if we get a bounce or 2 we could win. Miami IMO has better starters but Clemson has great depth whereas UM has very little. Also Clemson has been there before where we are in year 2 of rebuild.

Top 5 overall schedule? Dude, how?

Also important... Clemson QB >>> Miami QB

We're 33rd in SOS coming into tonight, obviously we'll move up but certainly not top 5.

 

[jhop88]

Look at his completion %...especially considering it's college football, that's atrocious. And look at his game log, has Rosier played a great GAME all season? Not a half or quarter, an entire game, has he played GREAT? I'm not recalling any. Unless he pulls a Houdini tonight against a top 3 D in college football, there's no reason to believe this guy plays the game of his life tonight. He hasn't shown any consistent signs of brilliance.

 

[CanesForever]

Look at his completion %...especially considering it's college football, that's atrocious. And look at his game log, has Rosier played a great GAME all season? Not a half or quarter, an entire game, has he played GREAT? I'm not recalling any. Unless he pulls a Houdini tonight against a top 3 D in college football, there's no reason to believe this guy plays the game of his life tonight. He hasn't shown any consistent signs of brilliance.

Great fans we have smfh.

 

[jhop88]

Let me put it this way, if the U had a legit college QB, I think they have a great chance tonight. But, they don't.

It's been a great season so I'm not taking anything away from it. But, until they get a legit college QB (haven't had one since Dorsey which is mind boggling), they're not winning a NC IMO.

 

[jhop88]

Look at his completion %...especially considering it's college football, that's atrocious. And look at his game log, has Rosier played a great GAME all season? Not a half or quarter, an entire game, has he played GREAT? I'm not recalling any. Unless he pulls a Houdini tonight against a top 3 D in college football, there's no reason to believe this guy plays the game of his life tonight. He hasn't shown any consistent signs of brilliance.

Great fans we have smfh.

Dude seriously? I'm rooting like **** for Miami tonight. I was there at the Rose Bowl when they smashed Nebraska in what IMO is the best college team ever. But is anything I said in that post wrong?

 

[GenericYesMan]

Look at his completion %...especially considering it's college football, that's atrocious. And look at his game log, has Rosier played a great GAME all season? Not a half or quarter, an entire game, has he played GREAT? I'm not recalling any. Unless he pulls a Houdini tonight against a top 3 D in college football, there's no reason to believe this guy plays the game of his life tonight. He hasn't shown any consistent signs of brilliance.

Rosier doesn't have to play perfect, but he certainly can't play like he did against Pitt. If plays like he did against Notre Dame we're going to be in a good spot.

 

[PSU Cane]

This is a over reaction to the Pitt game. Rosier bounces back in a big way tonight. Tonight all the million games Richt coached in the SEC shows up. The last two games against UVA and Pitt, I think that made 11 weeks in a row after the hurricane coupled with the intensity of the previous two weeks. They won't have any problem getting up for this. 1 game for everything

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I don't think it is at all. That would have been the knee jerk reaction to open with a big line then have it gradually reduce.

This have everything to do with losing Richards and those with big money who make a living betting putting it on Clemson.

Richards? He has barely played. If you said Herndon you would have a point.

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The Herndon injury was known before the line was set. I think that, plus the Pitt debacle, was why it started high to begin with.

Richards is the name guy - he doesn't have a lot of catches after an injury riddled year with tons of drops, but he still averages 18/catch and is top 3 on the team. After he went down in addition to Herndon, it's expected the line will jump since it's Berrios and a bunch of guys with less than 15 catches on the year.

 

[supacane]

I think our board is infested with Ufag fans. I'm not saying Clemson is a walk over, they earned their stripes but what have they done this year that says they are unbeatable? Football is about matchups. The game comes down to our OL v their DL. If they completely shut us down then we likely lose. These were the same things I was saying before ND and VT.

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[supacane]

This is a over reaction to the Pitt game. Rosier bounces back in a big way tonight. Tonight all the million games Richt coached in the SEC shows up. The last two games against UVA and Pitt, I think that made 11 weeks in a row after the hurricane coupled with the intensity of the previous two weeks. They won't have any problem getting up for this. 1 game for everything

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I don't think it is at all. That would have been the knee jerk reaction to open with a big line then have it gradually reduce.

This have everything to do with losing Richards and those with big money who make a living betting putting it on Clemson.

Richards? He has barely played. If you said Herndon you would have a point.

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The Herndon injury was known before the line was set. I think that, plus the Pitt debacle, was why it started high to begin with.

Richards is the name guy - he doesn't have a lot of catches after an injury riddled year with tons of drops, but he still averages 18/catch and is top 3 on the team. After he went down in addition to Herndon, it's expected the line will jump since it's Berrios and a bunch of guys with less than 15 catches on the year.

Richards has not been a factor much this year. Sorry. It's has been Rosier running that has been the ex factor and our running game in general.

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[GenericYesMan]

This is a over reaction to the Pitt game. Rosier bounces back in a big way tonight. Tonight all the million games Richt coached in the SEC shows up. The last two games against UVA and Pitt, I think that made 11 weeks in a row after the hurricane coupled with the intensity of the previous two weeks. They won't have any problem getting up for this. 1 game for everything

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I don't think it is at all. That would have been the knee jerk reaction to open with a big line then have it gradually reduce.

This have everything to do with losing Richards and those with big money who make a living betting putting it on Clemson.

Richards? He has barely played. If you said Herndon you would have a point.

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The Herndon injury was known before the line was set. I think that, plus the Pitt debacle, was why it started high to begin with.

Richards is the name guy - he doesn't have a lot of catches after an injury riddled year with tons of drops, but he still averages 18/catch and is top 3 on the team. After he went down in addition to Herndon, it's expected the line will jump since it's Berrios and a bunch of guys with less than 15 catches on the year.

Richards has not been a factor much this year. Sorry. It's has been Rosier running that has been the ex factor and our running game in general.

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Richards takes tons of coverage with him, he's a huge loss.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

We would have 10 or so Natty's if the games were played in the books in Vegas.

Depends on how you evaluate that. There were never preseason or in-season odds on college football national champions until the BCS title game began. Prior to that it was essentially a sporting election, and wagers on that type of thing were not allowed in Nevada. When I worked in sportsbooks there were tourists throughout the year who were astonished that you couldn't wager on things like the Heisman Trophy winner or college football national champion. Those regulations have changed only recently, since Nevada didn't want to lose money to offshore outfits that were offering bets on stuff like that.

If you want to look at seasons in which we played a game with the title at stake, the Canes have won twice as underdog and lost four times as favorite. So by that count we would have 7 titles if the favorite had won every time. I'm including 1985 even though there was some debate if the Canes would have earned a split title via victory. I believe it would have happened.

This is how it breaks down. Lines are from memory:

1983: Nebraska -11.5 at Miami
1985: Miami -7 vs. Tennessee
1986: Miami -7 vs. Penn State
1987: Oklahoma -3 at Miami
1989: Miami -8 vs. Alabama
1991: Miami -10 hosting Nebraska
1992: Miami -6.5 vs. Alabama
2001: Miami -8.5 vs. Nebraska
2002: Miami -11.5 vs. Ohio State

We also missed a share of the title in 2000 when Florida State lost to Oklahoma as 11.5 point favorite in the Orange Bowl. There is no question the Canes would have split that title, after we dismissed Florida in the Sugar Bowl. It is still difficult to believe that so many Canes fans were moronic enough to root for Oklahoma in that game, simply to spite Florida State even though the Seminoles were essentially playing for us. Voters were not shy about splitting the vote amidst unusual circumstance in the BCS era, as evidenced by the USC/LSU situation in 2003.

 

[moshated305]

Sharps win again.

 

[Caneadian]

WE should just concede.

Yeah we should have

 

[jhop88]

As much as I hate to say this, Miami is getting drug tonight. I've been thinking about it all week. Outside of ND (and they proved to be ok), Miami has played average competition all season. Normally I don't think this would be a huge warning sign, but they struggled against this average competition. That shouldn't happen EVERY GAME if you're a legit Top 5 team. Add that to the fact that this QB isn't instilling confidence in anyone. Along with being a U fan, I'm a Bucs fan, and Rosier reminds me of Winston w/o the talent. Inconsistent asf and way too inaccurate to be a big time QB.

I've been wrong before so I really hope I'm wrong again tonight.

With all that being said, go Canes!

Sorry but Canes have played one of the top 5 overall schedules all year so that don't hold water. I agree we lose but it will be close and if we get a bounce or 2 we could win. Miami IMO has better starters but Clemson has great depth whereas UM has very little. Also Clemson has been there before where we are in year 2 of rebuild.

Top 5 overall schedule? Dude, how?

Also important... Clemson QB >>> Miami QB

I'd say Bryant is probably overall better than Rosier but you make it sound like he's leagues ahead. He's not. Bryant is talented. Rosier is **** talented too, he's just also really inconsistent. I know we all love to crap on Rosier when he messes up, especially after that travesty of a performance against Pitt and those bad decisions against VT, but he also makes some **** plays when it counts man. He was pretty sharp passing the ball against ND, and he's been quite good at making reads off the RPO all season.

I can never predict what Rosier is gonna do. Maybe he ****s the bed, maybe he plays like a stud again tonight. If our offensive line can play to their best and Rosier comes out looking sharp, I think we win. If not, well it'll be a long night.

But saying "BRYANT >>> ROSIER" ? Nah man.. Maybe he's better, but he's not THAT much better. Have a little faith in the kid.

How'd Rosier play tonight?

The dude is f'ing terrible. They won't win sh*t again next season w/him at the helm. He's horrendous, missing easy throw after easy throw.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Sharps win again.

Not good when an upstart team loses for the first time deep in the season. The next game is almost always a disaster. I don't know if that is the reason the line moved so much late but it is a well known trend in betting circles, and lots of the sharp guys play it heavily.

That's the type of psychological trend that is obvious if you live in Las Vegas and watch the sports seasons come and go every year, while wagering on the games. You notice what happens when that bubble bursts. But casual fans typically hold the opposite impression...that the team coming off its first loss will be incredibly motivated and rebound with a frenzy.

That is true of elite teams but not the ones that weren't expected to be there in the first place.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Sharps win again.

Not good when an upstart team loses for the first time deep in the season. The next game is almost always a disaster. I don't know if that is the reason the line moved so much late but it is a well known trend in betting circles, and lots of the sharp guys play it heavily.

That's the type of psychological trend that is obvious if you live in Las Vegas and watch the sports seasons come and go every year, while wagering on the games. You notice what happens when that bubble bursts. But casual fans typically hold the opposite impression...that the team coming off its first loss will be incredibly motivated and rebound with a frenzy.

That is true of elite teams but not the ones that weren't expected to be there in the first place.

There are some years that don't have single teams that can overcome that trend.

The metrics Miami was against in the game lined this game up and reality gunned them down. You're a numbers guy, as am I...but these past three games are the very definition of BODY BLOW THEORY as well. The team hadn't had a week off in months and you started to see the grind of the season - emotionally and physically - start to take its toll by the Virginia game. That rolled into such an obvious let down spot against Pitt and the injuries started to pile up. Not just the significant ones (Herndon and Richards), but since that Virginia game, Miami just had a lot of players needing to come out for a few players here and there, moreso versus Pitt, and you saw what happened versus Clemson where seemingly everybody was limping off of the field at some point.

Beyond all of the obvious statistical measurements that said this was a bad bad spot for Miami, the trends and theories behind a team's W/L potential.

Oh yeah, and this is yet another thread where so many users here show their *** on anything above rudimentary discussion of football.