Letters of Intent

[rustywalkedaway]

Is signing a LOI the only avenue to attend a D1 school on a full sports scholarship? Obviously if you're a lower tiered athlete you want to lock in your deal, but what if you're a 5 star guy that multiple schools would hold a scholarship for?

Signing the NLI, like institutional membership in the NCAA itself, is technically voluntary. However, regarding the NLI:

1. When a student athlete is tendered a NLI, he is also tendered a financial aid award.
2. Signing the NLI then locks in that award, for one year. The NLI is also good for that same year.
3. A student athlete (cough cough) never has to sign a NLI but, if they don't, no guaranteed financial aid.
4. Flipside, if they don't sign, no NLI restrictions and they still can get finical aid, but it is not contractually guaranteed or protected.

In reality, if you are a true stud recruit, I don't think you should sign a NLI. Schools will still make room and find aid for you. But, if you don't pan out, get seriously hurt...you might be hosed. But you never had more than a one year deal anyway.
If you are less than an elite recruit, sign this clear contract of employment and take your potential lumps.

 

[rustywalkedaway]

again, another example of NCAA slavery in action.

The NLI is a racket, but nobody should equate that system with slavery.

 

[eliteproxy]

until there is a lawsuit by a student and a student who is willing to go through the years it would take to see the day in court etc it won't change

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

again, another example of NCAA slavery in action.

I'm sure slaves would agree with this n total. I mean, the two scenarios are completely similar. You obviously don't understand slavery very well. But let me guess, you're black and therefore can relate to slavery in this country even though you have absolutely no idea what it was actually like for those that were enslaved. But continue on with your idiotic statements.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Are you telling me, that once you sign a Letter of Intent, and the school and apparently the NCAA work to withhold pending charges against a school until after Signing Day - which if known previously, would certainly have resulted in recruits not deciding to go there - that within a couple weeks of sending in said Letter of Intent - the student athlete can't void the contract?

Isn't withholding information like that justification for voiding their Letter of Intent?

It's "valid" reasons like this and the incredible amount of $$$$$$ money football players make for institutions, Media companies, facility companies, gaming and apparel companies why many want players to benefit financially and that the current rules are slanted to give the institutions complete domain over players. The is just another example.

 

[The Franchise]

Didn't Seantrel get out of his USC NLOI when USC got drilled?

Any decent lawyer could get a kid out of a NLOI if there's evidence that the school conspired with the NCAA to hold off on announcing penalties or an investigation in order to dupe kids into signing with a school they thought was clean.

Incorrect. Do some research. This is not the first time someone has thought to challenge the NLI.

Having said that, I think there are a variety of very solid legal challenges. All of which have failed.

Incorrect. Read the hypothetical I laid out. Under those facts, if you couldn't get the NLOI invalidated, then you're a bum.

 

[rustywalkedaway]

Didn't Seantrel get out of his USC NLOI when USC got drilled?

Any decent lawyer could get a kid out of a NLOI if there's evidence that the school conspired with the NCAA to hold off on announcing penalties or an investigation in order to dupe kids into signing with a school they thought was clean.

Incorrect. Do some research. This is not the first time someone has thought to challenge the NLI.

Having said that, I think there are a variety of very solid legal challenges. All of which have failed.

Incorrect. Read the hypothetical I laid out. Under those facts, if you couldn't get the NLOI invalidated, then you're a bum.

Read my response to your hypothetical; do some research, rather than just opine as to what you think should happen.

Do you really think this situation never occurred before...no kid ever sought to invalidate the NLI based on the situation he walked into? That he didn't allege fraud, undue influence, unconscionability, or a lack of meeting of the minds? That he didn't contend the situation was other than the school led him to believe (and that covers a very broad spectrum of situations, including schools under investigation)?

I am very comfortable that I know more about the legal history of the NLI and legal challenges to it than you. If you have a situation that successfully carries out your hypothetical, post it. And no, PSU and USC do not count as the NCAA, the administrator of the NLI, provided optional release for signees.

 

[The Franchise]

Didn't Seantrel get out of his USC NLOI when USC got drilled?

Any decent lawyer could get a kid out of a NLOI if there's evidence that the school conspired with the NCAA to hold off on announcing penalties or an investigation in order to dupe kids into signing with a school they thought was clean.

Incorrect. Do some research. This is not the first time someone has thought to challenge the NLI.

Having said that, I think there are a variety of very solid legal challenges. All of which have failed.

Incorrect. Read the hypothetical I laid out. Under those facts, if you couldn't get the NLOI invalidated, then you're a bum.

Read my response to your hypothetical; do some research, rather than just opine as to what you think should happen.

Do you really think this situation never occurred before...no kid ever sought to invalidate the NLI based on the situation he walked into? That he didn't allege fraud, undue influence, unconscionability, or a lack of meeting of the minds? That he didn't contend the situation was other than the school led him to believe (and that covers a very broad spectrum of situations, including schools under investigation)?

I am very comfortable that I know more about the legal history of the NLI and legal challenges to it than you. If you have a situation that successfully carries out your hypothetical, post it. And no, PSU and USC do not count as the NCAA, the administrator of the NLI, provided optional release for signees.

Instead of telling me to do research, if you're so comfortable that you know more than I do, then teach me. Show me a situation where the facts are identical to the ones I used in my hypothetical.

Show me a case where the facts are as specific as the ones I outlined in my post. Here is the very specific set of facts that I proposed: Evidence that the school conspired with the NCAA to hold off on announcing penalties or an investigation in order to dupe kids into signing with a school they thought was clean.

If you're as studied as you claim to be, then you'll know the difference between facts (evidence) and allegations.

 

[Cubana]

Letter becomes Null and Void

This NLI shall be declared null and void if any of the following occur:

e. Recruiting Rules Violation. If eligibility reinstatement by the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff is necessary due to NCAA and/or conference recruiting rules violations, the institution must notify me that I have an option to have the NLI declared null and void due to the rules violation. It is my decision to have the NLI remain valid or to have the NLI declared null and void, permitting me to be recruited and not be subject to NLI penalties.

 

[rustywalkedaway]

Franchise (Shane Douglas?),

As I said, I am quite comfortable with my knowledge of legal challenges to the NLI, as well as the evolution of the program itself. I can go back to work comp actions in the 50s to explain how all this progressed, but you wouldn't know any of that, would you?

It is clear to me that you know little and have done no research; thus your "challenge" that I educate you so that you can then be reactive. I don't work for free.

As to facts v. allegations, I am quite familiar with the distinction and I'll play, as long as you can as well. Your quote asserts EVIDENCE of an NCAA-school conspiracy. At least do the research to establish that as a truly factual basis in this case and we can go on. If you cannot, then your original assertion has absolutely no actual application and response would be a waste of time.

When you cannot, stop.

 

[Cubana]

[MENTION=6646]rustywalkedaway[/MENTION] - I am glad someone can see that this guy "Franchise" is full of sh**. That's why I called him out last week on his BS. He's all talk. And can't backup nothing he says.

 

[SpikeUM]

I agree with the injustice of the current system, BUT, if its too easy to transfer between schools, then you are going to have non stop recruiting of players.

 

[kryptonite]

Is signing a LOI the only avenue to attend a D1 school on a full sports scholarship? Obviously if you're a lower tiered athlete you want to lock in your deal, but what if you're a 5 star guy that multiple schools would hold a scholarship for?

Pretty sure the NLOI is the contract you sign when you accept the scholarship. In effect, it is the scholarship. No NLOI and you don't get the scholarship.

There was a player last year or the year before that wouldn't sign the NLOI. The thing is that while it locks the player into the school it also locks the school to the player I believe so the school cannot decide to just not honor the scholarship. From the site referenced below:

Am I required to sign an NLI?

No. You are not required to sign an NLI but many prospective student-athletes sign because they want to create certainty in the recruiting process. Specifically, by signing an NLI, you agree to attend the institution for one year in exchange for the institution's promise, in writing, to provide you athletics financial aid for the entire academic year. Simply, by signing an NLI you are given an award including athletics aid for the upcoming academic year provided you are admitted to the institution and you are eligible for athletics aid under NCAA rules. Furthermore, by signing an NLI you effectively end the recruiting process. Once you sign an NLI, a recruiting ban goes into effect and you may no longer be recruited by any other NLI school.

When I sign an NLI what do I agree to do?

When you sign an NLI, you agree to attend the institution listed on the NLI for one academic year in exchange for that institution awarding athletics financial aid for one academic year.

NLI Frequently Asked Questions

The NLI is actually a series of one year contracts that the school chooses to renew. Once the first NLI is signed the player actually doesn't have an option but the school does. It's bull****. Saban is notorious for not renewing with players he doesn't feel lives up to his standards. Another case of the players having no power. The only time they have power is when they choose the school. After that, no power.

Right, and there's lots of outrage around here when a kid who doesn't produce is let go.

 

[hcanes100]

again, another example of NCAA slavery in action.

I'm sure slaves would agree with this n total. I mean, the two scenarios are completely similar. You obviously don't understand slavery very well. But let me guess, you're black and therefore can relate to slavery in this country even though you have absolutely no idea what it was actually like for those that were enslaved. But continue on with your idiotic statements.

If you understood the definition of slavery, then you would know your statements are incorrect, but I love your high horse. Do yourself a favor. Buy a dictionary and read it before calling someone an idiot.


Simple Definition of slavery


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• : the state of being a slave
• : the practice of owning slaves
  
  Full Definition of slavery
  1 : drudgery, toil
  2 : submission to a dominating influence
  3a : the state of a person who is a chattel of another
• b : the practice of slaveholding

 

[UMFarArcher]

I'm no lawyer, but I didn't think it was legal for anyone under age 18 to enter into a legally binding contract - which MAY affect some student athletes.

I understand the perpetual recruiting potential if voiding LOI's becomes too easy.

However, does no one else think it odd that right after LOI's were signed, suddenly - emphasis on SUDDENLY - allegations against schools were announced?

I know you lawyers love to twist the letter of the law and the intent of the law to obtain a client's legal position - with zero moral inputs whatsoever - but a sane, prudent, rational man would allow for a reversal IF the young man has not begun executing in the sports process of the offending university.

I think, and actually I'm pretty sure, if this were taken to a jury, they too, would find the timing a bit too convenient for the University, a bit too collusive on the part of the NCAA, and allow the LOI's to be voided.

I know if a child of mine faced that - we'd have to take it to trial - and see if the average jury also agrees there's something wrong with this current system.

 

[whoopingcane]

Franchise got served, owned and murked... all on one page.

RIP

 

[unionandsixth]

Fraud is Fraud. I don't care what the rules are. A fraud claim, if proved, trumps everything. The problem is that bringing a fraud claim in court costs lots of money and you are going up against an entity with a huge legal budget.