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kkinder94 said:
MIATL said:
Rellyrell said:
MIATL said:
Spurrier, Beamer, Tuberville, Bowden, Brown----these guys were all legendary coaches during Butch's heyday and they ALL suck now. B/c THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. Coaches, like players, have a prime. And when that prime ends, they aren't as good. You are chasing the ghosts of the past, and I'm saying we need to move forward.
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Saw you already posted this same bull in Jennifer's thread. Look, if you don't like Butch, that's fine. The point is not to have buyers remorse. For those who tried to discredit him while at UNC, I had to hi-light what he REALLY did at UNC.
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It's not about me "not liking him".

I just think the BBB crowd is setting yourselves up for huge disappointment when he can't re-create what y'all want. The expectation is too high, IMO.
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No one knows what the future holds for UM. Maybe we will never get to the pinnacle again due to the stadium, ****ty attendance, no indoor facility, etc., but I know this. Butch has a record of success. He put together the best college team EVER and pulled UNC out of the toilet. He probably would have created a national contender if given more time there. None of the other names have put together a winner - NONE. Winning at Memphis or Houston means jack. Sure, these guys have potential, but potential is something we can't afford. Golden had potential after turning around Temple. We need someone who has been to the pinnacle, not a strategy of hope.
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I like the word you used here, "potential." Potential is such a dangerous word....Miami is in a very awkward position, in that it can't afford to make another bad hire. Could Herman kill it here? Maybe Fuentes could bring some excitement to our offense and kill it here. Those are all potentially good hires. However, potentially, they could flop as well. Maybe the AAC is making them look better than what they are. (see Al Golden)

We don't need potential, we need stability. Butch brings just that, stability. If we want to hire a coach in waiting to be his successor, fine...but no more rolling of the dice for this program. Coker was the babysitter, and when the kids got older, he couldn't cut it. (no previous head coaching experience) Shannon was a Miami guy, who couldn't bring the State of Miami together, but rather focused on one school, and one school only (no previous head coaching experience). Golden was the up and comer who turned around a Temple team in the AAC (smoke and mirrors due to conference.)

We need to learn from our mistakes and go for the safe choice that would not only bring stability to this program, but also unity the fan base, bring instant credibility back to our program, and generate revenue.
 
theibisrules said:
Rellyrell said:
theibisrules said:
Rellyrell said:
So, I've seen a couple of fairly new posters try to discredit Butch's coaching ability during his stint at UNC. First off, the argument is laughable. Someone posted his 15-17 record in the ACC during his time there; again, misleading information posted. So since these individuals are trying to discredit Butch the God....let's really examine what he did at UNC, shall we?

Butch came on board in 2007. He took over a UNC program that went 27-45 under John Bunting. He took over a program that had one winning season in the last 6 years. Sure UNC has produced great players like Julius Peppers, Dre Bly, and the great Lawrence Taylor, but let's be honest, everyone knows when you think of UNC, you think Dean Smith, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Roy Williams and the basketball program.

In fairness, UNC is through and through a b-ball school, yet Butch took over a program and actually made them competitive in football, as well.

After the program went 27-45 in 6 six year under Bunting, including 3-9 right before he was fired, Butch established a 28-23 record while there in only 4 years.

Although he went 4-8 in his first year, signs of improvement of the UNC team was already showing. Out of the 8 losses they had that year, 6 came with an avg. loss of a 7pts or less and two came against two top 15 classes. Remarkable in itself.

Under Bunting, UNC lost games by an avg. of 19 pts/game. Under Butch? 8pts per game. UNC biggest point differential losses came against top 25 opponents, but for the most part, they were only a TD away, on avg, from a win.

Let's talk about the crap Butch inherited, which makes the above stat so astounishing; UNC is a basketball school, so they didn't receive a lot of interest from high profiled football recruits. UNC, on avg, recruited the 41st ranked class in the nation. That's what Butch had to work with playing against the likes of VT, FSU, Miami, BC, and Clemson. Losing was apart of their culture. UNC football was always considered "step-brother" to UNC basketball, both men and women.

In 2010, he lost 13 players, 3 of which were his best players in Little, Quinn, and Austin, and still went 8-5 including a bowl victory and the team still lost by only an avg of 9 pts (3 of the games were 3pts or less and two blow outs coming at the hands of us, when we were ranked in the top 25, and VT who was ranked in the top 20)

When Butch got there, in only his 3rd year there, he was able to obtain of a top 10 recruiting class at UNC...the first in it's history since RIVALS began ranking classes in 2002.

Let's discuss other accomplishments by Mr. Davis while he was at UNC....

-he beat a ranked opponent in 2008 for the first time in the last 11 years at UNC
-first time in school history he had UNC ranked in the BCS bowl consideration
-coached them to their first winning seaon since 2001 in only his second year
-coached them to back to back winning seasons for the first time in 11 years
-had a graduation rate of 75% during his tenure there, ranking him in the top 30 of coaches at public universities in the nation
-beat Miami 3 of the 4 yrs he was at UNC.


You see, what he did at UNC was nothing short of a miracle. UNC hadn't had a good coach since Mack Brown back in the mid-to-late 90's. Like at Miami, Butch inheritted a mess at UNC...the only difference is that Miami is known as a football school, playing in the hotbed of football recruiting. UNC is a basketball school, stationed in the hotbed of basketball recruiting, yet Butch made UNC into a respectable football school as well.

Trying to compare what he did at Miami, a school that had established itself as a dominant football power w/ 4 chips under it's belt to what he did at UNC, a school that has no tradition in football, is a true disservice. That's literally comparing apples to oranges. What he did at Miami w/ 31 lost scholarships was special, unique...but Miami was still a sleeping football giant. What he did at UNC was amazing. They had no football identity what-so-ever, and had a 38% winning pct before he got there!

Again, this is why Butch is the MAN for the job. Miami is nothing less than a sleeping Giant. Let the "program-whisperer" come back to awaken us. It's an obvious choice.

P.S-For those who say he's too "old" as a means to make an argument against the hire....here's some names to think about:

Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, John Fox, Les Miles, and David Cutcliff (all are 60+ in age, and all are kicking the crap out of the younger coaches on the NFL and NCAA level)
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If this is the best you have then this argument is not worth my time, total non-sense in this post.
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you know what, i'll be fair....what's non-sense?
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Calm down...it was a misread on my part. Everybody that negged me is a phuckin twinkle toes pha99ot!
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why do I need to calm down, dog? lol. homie, all i asked was what was total non-sense. but you recanted, so it's all good.
 
Buch's nickname on the early message boards was "Botch" for good reason when it came to game management. A lot of people here seem to forget it or are too young to remember it. Yes, he had a tremendous eye for talent in the 90's, but there are so few hidden gems in the recruiting world of today, and the process has changed dramatically even since he last coached at UNC. I would not rule him out, but it always is a huge gamble trying to bring back past glory on a new playing field.
 
VACane said:
Buch's nickname on the early message boards was "Botch" for good reason when it came to game management. A lot of people here seem to forget it or are too young to remember it. Yes, he had a tremendous eye for talent in the 90's, but there are so few hidden gems in the recruiting world of today, and the process has changed dramatically even since he last coached at UNC. I would not rule him out, but it always is a huge gamble trying to bring back past glory on a new playing field.
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I hear you...but let's understand one thing; it's not like Butch has been out of the game and he's on a fishing boat. He's an analyst, which means all he does is analyze the landscape of college football.

Let's be honest, Butch's first go around, NO ONE (including myself) truly appreciated what he was able to do here. We were spoiled; we were always in the discussion for a national title every year before he took over and then the scandal hit. With hindsight lurking, was it really his gameday ability, or what it the fact that he had 0 depth and players were getting burned out?

For God's sake, the man was missing 31 scholarship players! That's the kiss of death for any football program. Yet he was able to turn this program into a beast again w/in 5 years.

I hear you regarding past glory....but I'll give you one example that worked out very well. Phil Jackson. Yes it's a different sport, but Phil left the Lakers, went away from coaching and came right back and led them right back to prominence. If you can coach, teach, develop, then you can coach, teach, develop regardless.
 
VACane said:
Buch's nickname on the early message boards was "Botch" for good reason when it came to game management. A lot of people here seem to forget it or are too young to remember it. Yes, he had a tremendous eye for talent in the 90's, but there are so few hidden gems in the recruiting world of today, and the process has changed dramatically even since he last coached at UNC. I would not rule him out, but it always is a huge gamble trying to bring back past glory on a new playing field.
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As much as I would like to see Butch come back, you are spot on. The fan base first became truly divided when Grassy had the legendary fights between the "apologists" and the guys who referred to him as "Botch" or "Paul Lombardi Davis". That led to the original split and the new message board that I don't even know if it still exists or not.
 
It's just peachy that MIATL is trying to protect us from disappointment, should Butch not live up to our expectations.

BULLSCHITT

We'll worry about our own expectations and disapointments. We've had 12 years of experience handling that, and we're still clawing for a winner. Do us all a favor, MIATL, and STFU.

 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
VACane said:
Buch's nickname on the early message boards was "Botch" for good reason when it came to game management. A lot of people here seem to forget it or are too young to remember it. Yes, he had a tremendous eye for talent in the 90's, but there are so few hidden gems in the recruiting world of today, and the process has changed dramatically even since he last coached at UNC. I would not rule him out, but it always is a huge gamble trying to bring back past glory on a new playing field.
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As much as I would like to see Butch come back, you are spot on. The fan base first became truly divided when Grassy had the legendary fights between the "apologists" and the guys who referred to him as "Botch" or "Paul Lombardi Davis". That led to the original split and the new message board that I don't even know if it still exists or not.
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Game management is the only ***** in Butch's armor. Right now, I bet he knows that, and would get an OC who could help him. I guess that makes him a mere mortal.

I think he's managed quite nicely, even with that *****.

 
Klamalama said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
VACane said:
Buch's nickname on the early message boards was "Botch" for good reason when it came to game management. A lot of people here seem to forget it or are too young to remember it. Yes, he had a tremendous eye for talent in the 90's, but there are so few hidden gems in the recruiting world of today, and the process has changed dramatically even since he last coached at UNC. I would not rule him out, but it always is a huge gamble trying to bring back past glory on a new playing field.
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As much as I would like to see Butch come back, you are spot on. The fan base first became truly divided when Grassy had the legendary fights between the "apologists" and the guys who referred to him as "Botch" or "Paul Lombardi Davis". That led to the original split and the new message board that I don't even know if it still exists or not.
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Game management is the only ***** in Butch's armor. Right now, I bet he knows that, and would get an OC who could help him. I guess that makes him a mere mortal.

I think he's managed quite nicely, even with that *****.

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coker n chud were geniuses not because of there play calling, because of his elite hall of fame savages. cudda ran punt formation all game n still won
 
VACane said:
Buch's nickname on the early message boards was "Botch" for good reason when it came to game management. A lot of people here seem to forget it or are too young to remember it. Yes, he had a tremendous eye for talent in the 90's, but there are so few hidden gems in the recruiting world of today, and the process has changed dramatically even since he last coached at UNC. I would not rule him out, but it always is a huge gamble trying to bring back past glory on a new playing field.
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yall kill me with the age ****, ya act like he on a stretcher with an IV machine coaching.
 
OP Im just sayin I could put forth a few paragraphs on Al Golden and make it sound just as good... Your porst was full of excuses for Butch and it was a failure and made me not want Butch even more..... When your trying to sell someone dont gimme the excuses...it just reminds me of Golden
 
blackvern said:
OP Im just sayin I could put forth a few paragraphs on Al Golden and make it sound just as good... Your porst was full of excuses for Butch and it was a failure and made me not want Butch even more..... When your trying to sell someone dont gimme the excuses...it just reminds me of Golden
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[MENTION=1396]blackvern[/MENTION]: what excuses? are you confusing facts from excuses? here's the thing, and i know you don't like Butch, and you don't have to, but for stop knocking a guy who took over a horrid football team. UNC ain't FSU, VT, Miami, Michigan, OSU, or USCw...the aforementioned schools are football schools. UNC is all in all a b-ball school and it showed by the last coach who was there.

What Golden did here was take 4-5 star talent and make them look like 1-2 stars. What Butch did was take 1-2 star talents and made them look like 3-4 stars and when he finally got a hold of some 4-5 talent players, the party was over for him. No doubt in my mind if Butch had 5 years at UNC with his last recruiting class and the momentum they were building, they would've been in BCS consideration.
 
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blackvern said:
OP Im just sayin I could put forth a few paragraphs on Al Golden and make it sound just as good... Your porst was full of excuses for Butch and it was a failure and made me not want Butch even more..... When your trying to sell someone dont gimme the excuses...it just reminds me of Golden
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The crazy part is that they did this and a bunch of us including myself bought into it. Im jaded by all of this and I agree.
 
Rellyrell said:
blackvern said:
OP Im just sayin I could put forth a few paragraphs on Al Golden and make it sound just as good... Your porst was full of excuses for Butch and it was a failure and made me not want Butch even more..... When your trying to sell someone dont gimme the excuses...it just reminds me of Golden
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[MENTION=1396]blackvern[/MENTION]: what excuses? are you confusing facts from excuses? here's the thing, and i know you don't like Butch, and you don't have to, but for stop knocking a guy who took over a horrid football team. UNC ain't FSU, VT, Miami, Michigan, OSU, or USCw...the aforementioned schools are football schools. UNC is all in all a b-ball school and it showed by the last coach who was there.

What Golden did here was take 4-5 star talent and make them look like 1-2 stars. What Butch did was take 1-2 star talents and made them look like 3-4 stars and when he finally got a hold of some 4-5 talent players, the party was over for him. No doubt in my mind if Butch had 5 years at UNC with his last recruiting class and the momentum they were building, they would've been in BCS consideration.
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In his first year he went 4-8 but he only lost games by 8 points not 16 like the previous coach..Just a hint when trying to convince me showing that they lost games by a lower margins not the way to go. And actually I like Butch...more than Mario or more than Schiano.... I just think we need to go outside of Miami people.... I wont be mad at Butch just not excited
 
I can't believe idiots on this board are trying to make an argument for NOT HIRING Butch.

If you don't want Butch then you can eat a phat ****! Fuggin knuckleheads.

Butch Davis is the second coming of Lombardi compared to Joker, Radio and Fat Albert.

I can't believe people are actually trying to make a case against a guy who not created the greatest College Football team of all time but also developed countless assistant coaches that went on to HC positions all over the NFL and CFB. Fuggin clueless i tell you!
 
Jax Cane said:
I can't believe idiots on this board are trying to make an argument for NOT HIRING Butch.

If you don't want Butch then you can eat a phat ****! Fuggin knuckleheads.

Butch Davis is the second coming of Lombardi compared to Joker, Radio and Fat Albert.

I can't believe people are actually trying to make a case against a guy who not created the greatest College Football team of all time but also developed countless assistant coaches that went on to HC positions all over the NFL and CFB. Fuggin clueless i tell you!
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it's amazing, isn't it.
 
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