Let's hope 2018 is the 1997 of Butch era...

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This is an abjectly absurd correlation. Butch went 5-6 year 3 under crushing sanctions, the worse non-death penalty in NCAA history.
Richt is/was operating under ZERO PROBATION/SANCTIONS and has regressed severely in year 3 due to no external forces like massive NCAA sanctions. The only thing crushing this team, is Richt and his pathetic softness and incompetence.
mark Richt is a sanction
 
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This is an abjectly absurd correlation. Butch went 5-6 year 3 under crushing sanctions, the worse non-death penalty in NCAA history.
Richt is/was operating under ZERO PROBATION/SANCTIONS and has regressed severely in year 3 due to no external forces like massive NCAA sanctions. The only thing crushing this team, is Richt and his pathetic softness and incompetence.
The NCAA absolutely thought they gave us the death penalty with the sanctions. They never in a million years thought we would make a come back.
 
Talent is not going to help an offensive system which consists of 5 plays.
Did we run 5 plays in 2015 when had a QB with a brain..this staff is spoon feeding a 2star with limited arm talent and a nucklehead( perry at this point in his development). If we don’t push for Hurts or kelly I’ll be upset. That along with changes on the oline
 
The NCAA absolutely thought they gave us the death penalty with the sanctions. They never in a million years thought we would make a come back.
Butch told those F-ing NCAA Hicks to Stick those Sanctions up their collective Asses, when all was said and done....
 
On Offense in 2018:
94 starts among all returning players on offense.
12 players total have started at least one game in college
5 players started more than 6 games in college

Offense Players available this season that have been here for more than 2 years:
10 players total
7 players started at least 1 game in college
4 players with more than 6 starts (1/2 season)

2014 (15)
Malik Rosier* - 14 starts
Trayone Gray* - 0 starts
Darrell Langham - 1 start


2015 (46)
Tyree St. Louis* - 21 starts
Tyler Gauthier* - 17 starts
Lawrence Cager* (RJR) - 6 starts
Hayden Mahoney* (RJR) - 2 starts
Jahair Jones - 0 starts
Bar Milo (RJR) - 0 starts


2016 (9)
Travis Homer* - 9 starts
Michael Irvin Jr. (Out for year) - 3 starts
George Brown Jr. (Out for year) - 0 starts


2017 (21)
Jeff Thomas* - 4 starts
Deejay Dallas* - 0 starts
Navaughn Donaldson* - 11 starts
N’Kosi Perry* - 0 starts
Mike Harley - 5 starts
Evidence Njoku - 0 starts
Kai-Leon Herbert - 0 starts
Robert Burns - 0 starts
Zalontae Hillery - 0 starts
Zach Dykstra - 0 starts
Cade Weldon (suspended) - 0 starts
Corey Gaynor (Redshirt) - 1 start
Brian Polendey (Out for year) - 0 starts


2018 (3)
Brevin Jordan*
Delone Scaife*
Venzell Boulware* - 3 starts
Will Mallory
Daquris Wiggins
Mark Pope
Brian Hightower (Injured)
Lorenzo Lingard (Out for year)
Jarren Williams (Redshirt)
Camron Davis (Redshirt)
Cleveland Reed (Redshirt)
Marquez Ezzard (Redshirt)
John Campbell (Redshirt)
Realus George (Redshirt)
Extremely revealing. I didn't realize we were this inexperienced mainly because it's never discussed.
 
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Are we really comparing 1997 to 2018? 1997 was significantly worse and different situation. We barely had a Football team. That horrific season is understandable. 2018 is not.
 
Are we really comparing 1997 to 2018? 1997 was significantly worse and different situation. We barely had a Football team. That horrific season is understandable. 2018 is not.
bro we had a team... they were just young like our team on offense this year. There were at least 14-15 players on offense alone that played in the NFL including studs like James, Moss, Wayne, Franks... Look at our offensive roster this year and ask yourself how many of the players on the team have NFL talent. There may be 3-4 players that have been here more than 2 years (Homer, St. Louis, Cager, Gauthier), the rest are here for less than 2 years.

Miami 1997 Offense:
QB
*Ryan Clement – SR returning starter with similar # to Rosier, 58.8% comp, 10 TD, 11 Int
Scott Covington – JR Backup QB who got to start as SR the following year leading team to 9-3

RB
*Edgerrin James – SO RB starting for first time
James Jackson – RFR rushed for almost 600 yards
Dyral McMillan – JR RB who was leading rusher from previous year, played in only 3 games
*Carlo Joseph – JR FB who was converted from LB by Butch
Najeh Davenport – FR RB

WR:
*Reggie Wayne – FR who lead team with 48 receptions and 640 yards
*Daryl Jones – FR who appeared in all 11 games with 252 yards
Santana Moss – FR who played in 8 games and had 269 yards
Omar Rolle – JR who appeared in 9 games with 13 catches
Magic Benton – JR who appeared in 8 games with 6 receptions
Andre King – FR who appeared in 8 games with 5 catches
Jammi German – SR, did not play

TE
*Bubba Franks – FR starter with 19 receptions for 294 yards and 4 TDs
Mondriel Fulcher – SO TE who played in 9 games
Chris C. Jones – SR who appeared in 5 games with 2 catches

OL
Kerlin Blaise* - SR returning starter who signed as FA and had 6 year NFL Career
Carlos Callejas* - RSR starting for first time
Damond Neely* - JR returning starter
Robert Sampson* - SO starter
Mike Wehner* - SR
Robert Hall - SO
Ty Wise - SO
Richard Mercier - JR
Brian Bippen – JR
Robert Sampson - SO
Eric Schnupp – SO
Martin Bibla - FR
 
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On Offense in 2018:
94 starts among all returning players on offense.
12 players total have started at least one game in college
5 players started more than 6 games in college

Offense Players available this season that have been here for more than 2 years:
10 players total
7 players started at least 1 game in college
4 players with more than 6 starts (1/2 season)

2014 (15)
Malik Rosier* - 14 starts
Trayone Gray* - 0 starts
Darrell Langham - 1 start


2015 (46)
Tyree St. Louis* - 21 starts
Tyler Gauthier* - 17 starts
Lawrence Cager* (RJR) - 6 starts
Hayden Mahoney* (RJR) - 2 starts
Jahair Jones - 0 starts
Bar Milo (RJR) - 0 starts


2016 (9)
Travis Homer* - 9 starts
Michael Irvin Jr. (Out for year) - 3 starts
George Brown Jr. (Out for year) - 0 starts


2017 (21)
Jeff Thomas* - 4 starts
Deejay Dallas* - 0 starts
Navaughn Donaldson* - 11 starts
N’Kosi Perry* - 0 starts
Mike Harley - 5 starts
Evidence Njoku - 0 starts
Kai-Leon Herbert - 0 starts
Robert Burns - 0 starts
Zalontae Hillery - 0 starts
Zach Dykstra - 0 starts
Cade Weldon (suspended) - 0 starts
Corey Gaynor (Redshirt) - 1 start
Brian Polendey (Out for year) - 0 starts


2018 (3)
Brevin Jordan*
Delone Scaife*
Venzell Boulware* - 3 starts
Will Mallory
Daquris Wiggins
Mark Pope
Brian Hightower (Injured)
Lorenzo Lingard (Out for year)
Jarren Williams (Redshirt)
Camron Davis (Redshirt)
Cleveland Reed (Redshirt)
Marquez Ezzard (Redshirt)
John Campbell (Redshirt)
Realus George (Redshirt)
Whatever helps you sleep better at night.
 
bro we had a team... they were just young like our team on offense this year. There were at least 14-15 players on offense alone that played in the NFL including studs like James, Moss, Wayne, Franks... Look at our offensive roster this year and ask yourself how many of the players on the team have NFL talent. There may be 3-4 players that have been here more than 2 years (Homer, St. Louis, Cager, Gauthier), the rest are here for less than 2 years.

Miami 1997 Offense:
QB
*Ryan Clement – SR returning starter with similar # to Rosier, 58.8% comp, 10 TD, 11 Int
Scott Covington – JR Backup QB who got to start as SR the following year leading team to 9-3

RB
*Edgerrin James – SO RB starting for first time
James Jackson – RFR rushed for almost 600 yards
Dyral McMillan – JR RB who was leading rusher from previous year, played in only 3 games
*Carlo Joseph – JR FB who was converted from LB by Butch
Najeh Davenport – FR RB

WR:
*Reggie Wayne – FR who lead team with 48 receptions and 640 yards
*Daryl Jones – FR who appeared in all 11 games with 252 yards
Santana Moss – FR who played in 8 games and had 269 yards
Omar Rolle – JR who appeared in 9 games with 13 catches
Magic Benton – JR who appeared in 8 games with 6 receptions
Andre King – FR who appeared in 8 games with 5 catches
Jammi German – SR, did not play

TE
*Bubba Franks – FR starter with 19 receptions for 294 yards and 4 TDs
Mondriel Fulcher – SO TE who played in 9 games
Chris C. Jones – SR who appeared in 5 games with 2 catches

OL
Kerlin Blaise* - SR returning starter who signed as FA and had 6 year NFL Career
Carlos Callejas* - RSR starting for first time
Damond Neely* - JR returning starter
Robert Sampson* - SO starter
Mike Wehner* - SR
Robert Hall - SO
Ty Wise - SO
Richard Mercier - JR
Brian Bippen – JR
Robert Sampson - SO
Eric Schnupp – SO
Martin Bibla - FR

I meant we didn’t have a team based on depth. Our recruiting took major hits because of probation. And you’re reaching with your argument. It’s apples and Oranges. 2018 is a disaster for no good reason.
 
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To be successful in college football, you need to sustain years where not every position is where you want it, or need it to be. Those "down years" needn't be title years, but they can't be implosions either. While you make some good points, we've seen ourselves tailspin with no answers or real adjustments from this staff. As a result, our recruiting has come unglued. I fear in 3 or 4 years this analysis will look identical.
 
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bro we had a team... they were just young like our team on offense this year.

CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- For the first time in 13 years, the University of Miami will not play in a New Year's bowl. The Hurricanes' 8-3 record was good enough for an Orange Bowl bid, but the NCAA announced yesterday, after a four-year investigation, that the Hurricanes will be banned from postseason play for one year, and on three-year probation for rules violations.
Miami's punishment includes a reduction of 13 scholarships in 1996-97 and 11 in 1997-98.


You're missing something rather critical in your specious comparison to the current debacle.
 
The comparison game keeps stringing us fans along in the hopes that um will be good again.

We’re living off of a long ago past. Irrelevancey is closer than being dominant again.
 
-Butch Davis took over a team that went 10-2 in 1994 and lost 31 scholarship over the next few years.
-Mark Richt took over a team that went 8-5 in 2015 that just came off a probation.

-Butch Davis went 8-3 & 9-3 in his first 2 years.
-Mark Richt went 9-4 & 10-3 in his first 2 years.

-Butch Davis was 5-6 in year 3... banners started flying
-Mark Richt is 5-4 so far in year 3... banners will start flying

-Butch Davis went 9-3, 9-4, 11-1 in his last 3 years.
-Mark Richt ????

Our offense sucks right now and there are no excuses for the output they have given us in the past 3 games regardless of talent. But let's not forget that Butch Davis was not exactly known for his game coaching either. In year 3 of the Richt era, we all expected a much better team but we have digressed offensively while the defense has improved.

Playing calling and scheme aside, here is a closer look at the current roster to see what might have led up to the failure on offense… and some optimism for the future...

One of the many problems on offense this year is the lack of senior leadership and star power. There are only 6 players left from the class of 2014 or 5th year seniors. None of the 6 players are star players and only Malik Rosier who everyone agrees is not a Miami caliber QB starts. Trayone and Langham have gotten starts but both are nothing more than role players.

2014 (6)
Malik Rosier*
Trayone Gray*
Darrell Langham

Mike Smith
Demetrius Jackson
Terry McCray

Then let’s take a look at Al Golden’s last recruiting class in 2015 who are now 4th year players, either Seniors or Redshirt Juniors. There are 13 still on the team and 9 of them have started games this year. The 4 best players are all on defense providing leadership and solid play which is one of reasons why the D is playing better this year. Our 3/4 other starters on offense are average at best with the exception of St. Louis.

2015 (13)
Gerald Willis*
Jaquan Johnson*
Michael Jackson*
Sheldrick Redwine*
TYree St. Louis*
Tyler Gauthier*
Lawrence Cager* (RJR)
Hayden Mahoney* (RJR)
Jahair Jones

Jordan Butler*
Scott Patchan
Robert Knowles (RJR)
Bar Milo (RJR)

Our 3rd year players are Richt’s first class in which he had 2 months to keep intact and salvage. There are only 10 players left from that class after injuries (Richards, Young), transfers (Allison, Haskins, Harris, Johnson, James), and dismissals (Bruce, Mullins, Wright). This is a quality group but not very deep in numbers. 2 of the 10 are out for the year and never got to play in 2018 and another one will most likely never get any meaningful snaps at the U. The other 7 are all starters and make the nucleus of the team but again there is no one behind them leaving all the backup positions to first or second year players and underachieving 4th and 5th year players. Also notice 6 of the 7 starters play on defense. Losing Richards was a big blow for the offense since he was our best player on offense.

2016 (10)
Shaq Quarterman*
Joe Jackson*
Michael Pinkney*
Travis Homer*
Zach McCloud*
Patrick Bethel*
Romeo Finley
Tyreic Martin
Michael Irvin Jr. (Out for year)
George Brown Jr. (Out for year)


Players who have been here 2 or more years:
Defense:

9 starters on defense have been here for 2 or more years with another 5 in the 2 deep, only 4 of those starters played under Golden including the top player (Willis) who only redshirted under the previous squad.

Offense:
5 starters on offense have been here for more than 2 years and only 4 other players are even in the 2 deep. 4 are on the OL and 1 is our starting QB, both arguably the weakest position groups on the team. We only have 1 player left from the SWAG16 class who is still able to play this year, the rest were all Golden recruits who should not have been here or are nothing more than career backups with the exception of St. Louis, Cager, and Gauthier.

Summary:
SWAG16 was a HUGE fail on offense and left us with only one player (Homer). Players like Richards, Allison, Mullins, Bruce & Haskins were all projected to contribute on offense into year 3 of their careers. Our 2 OL sginees were both busts as well (Tre Johnson & G. Brown).

Of the 19 players who survived the coaching transition into year 3 only 9 were on offense and maybe 2-3 are Miami caliber. However due to injuries and the failure in recruiting and player development most were forced into much bigger roles.

Why the optimism for the future?
Offensive we rely heavily on players who have been here for less than 2 years. SQUAD17 was not the highest ranked class but has some solid players who are still developing. Our top playmakers on offense are both second year players who are starting for the first time (Thomas, Dallas).

2017 (23)
Jeff Thomas*
Deejay Dallas*
Navaughn Donaldson*
N’Kosi Perry*
Mike Harley

Zach Feagles*
Jonathan Garvin*
Trajan Bandy*
Amari Carter
Jhavonte Dean
Derrick Smith
Jonathan Ford
Waynmon Steed
Evidence Njoku
Kai-Leon Herbert
Robert Burns
Zalontae Hillery
Zach Dykstra
Cade Weldon (suspended)
Corey Gaynor (Redshirt)
Brian Polendey (Out for year)

Bradley Jennings Jr. (Out for Year)
Deandre Wilder (Out for year)

We have a great rookie class however 3 of the top players who were all close to contributing are out for the year or injured (Lingard, Rousseau, Hightower). 4 of them are starting this year including one grad transfer. A few others have being forced to contribute as backups.

2018 (25)
Brevin Jordan*
Delone Scaife*
Venzell Boulware*
Will Mallory
Daquris Wiggins
Mark Pope

Bubba Baxa*
Nesta Silvera
Al Blades
Tito Odenigbo
Gurvan Hall
DJ Ivey
Brian Hightower (Injured)
Lorenzo Lingard (Out for year)
Jarren Williams (Redshirt)
Camron Davis (Redshirt)
Cleveland Reed (Redshirt)
Marquez Ezzard (Redshirt)
John Campbell (Redshirt)
Realus George (Redshirt)

Gilbert Frierson (Redshirt)
Patrick Joyner (Redshirt)
Jordan Miller (Redshirt)
Nigel Bethel Jr. (Redshirt)
Greg Rousseau (Out for year)

In 2019 we should be better on offense…
  • QB: Perry or whoever wins the QB battle should be better than Malik/Perry 2018.
  • OL: has some young studs that could be ready in the next couple of years.
  • RB: will most likely all be back with a couple of young studs in year 2
  • WR: should get bigger and better with more experience and development
  • TE: Jordan and Mallory should continue to develop and get more physical
By 2020, STORM18 will be in their 3rd year and most of SQUAD17 should be around as seniors. Much like the Butch teams of 1997-1999, the young players have to step up and take their beatings while getting a lot of playing time and experience.

The Key is for the staff to keep this young team together and continue to develop and recruit their asses off.... I'm hoping for the best.

And they blaming coach richt, lol. These are the type of post that real UM fans do, show the real state of UM football and what coach richt was and is up against. Ill say it again, people want to act as though coach richt took over UM right after butch davis left, this thing has to be rebuilt and coach richt along with this coaching staff are the ones who can and are getting it done. The only question mark on his coaching staff is coach searel's, and since he hasnt had much talent to work with, he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. Recruiting is going well because we are back to recruiting the type of players/athlete's that belong here. The coaching staff we have is legit and are mentally tuff, guys like patke and lil richt do need to start showing their worth though.
 
coach richt along with this coaching staff are the ones who can and are getting it done.
The coaching staff we have is legit and are mentally tuff
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