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Cribby said:
You started your post with “Not all teams that finish in the top 10 or start out in the top 10 have a top 10 roster. Then ended it with “ we only play like 2 teams that actually do have an overall roster better than us”. I’m messing with you but it reminded me of this lol



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Well **** your couch lol. obviously having more talent increases the probability of winning, and having a top 10 roster increases the likelihood of being a top 10 team. But it’s just not everything. Especially when you have a top QB. Having a top QB overcomes a **** of a lot of problems - especially at WR.
 
SouthParkCane said:
True indeed. I’m of the belief that Maye’s ranking would have been higher had he played his senior year. He ended at 56. From everything I know about it Mack had him compete as long as they did truly because his head is in the clouds at times and they’re keeping him centered. Not because it was a real close comp. That’s neither here nor there because he still has to play a real game. And he has downs and a couple other guys. I think that game is gonna surprise most people. I didn’t describe Pitt’s situation as good. I think slovis in the system Pitt’s seems to be implementing will be serviceable. That’s all they need from him. I think in terms of talent we’re sleeping on unc. Regarding A&M max lost the job if I’m to believe the rumors. Haynes will start week 1.
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Appreciate the good word as always SPC. Hoping UNC at night, I will be there!! Must win game
 
SouthParkCane said:
True indeed. I’m of the belief that Maye’s ranking would have been higher had he played his senior year. He ended at 56. From everything I know about it Mack had him compete as long as they did truly because his head is in the clouds at times and they’re keeping him centered. Not because it was a real close comp. That’s neither here nor there because he still has to play a real game. And he has downs and a couple other guys. I think that game is gonna surprise most people. I didn’t describe Pitt’s situation as good. I think slovis in the system Pitt’s seems to be implementing will be serviceable. That’s all they need from him. I think in terms of talent we’re sleeping on unc. Regarding A&M max lost the job if I’m to believe the rumors. Haynes will start week 1.
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I've been saying for the longest, that UNC game worries me those most after A&M and Clemson.

UNC has been recruiting at our level, almost identically, for the last 4 years. Maye is a very high prospect.

I'm not saying we won't win, bc I think we do....but that game shouldn't be taken lightly.

Pitssburg worries me way less.
 
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Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
I've been saying for the longest, that UNC game worries me those most after A&M and Clemson.

UNC has been recruiting at our level, almost identically, for the last 4 years. Maye is a very high prospect.

I'm not saying we won't win, bc I think we do....but that game shouldn't be taken lightly.

Pitssburg worries me way less.
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We have a bye week before UNC. We better be prepared
 
SouthParkCane said:
I’ll keep it a stack with you. I don’t like everyone who says Gattis and Lashlee are miles apart. They aren’t lol. Lashlee with Mario Cristobal and Mirabel would do wonders. k.i.s.s. He kept it simple.
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I don't understand what you are saying. I didn't say anything about Gattis and Lashlee, and I don't think the pod did either. In fact, the pod said they liked Lashlee better.

Can you rephrase what you said? Genuinely curious, because I respect your opinion.
 
scrantoncane said:
I don't understand what you are saying. I didn't say anything about Gattis and Lashlee, and I don't think the pod did either. In fact, the pod said they liked Lashlee better.

Can you rephrase what you said? Genuinely curious, because I respect your opinion.
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The pod indeed said they rank lashlee higher than they do gattis and that they believe gattis to be an asterisk. I’m saying, I can’t tell you who’s higher than who but gattis isn’t a hands down better OC.
 
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SouthParkCane said:
The pod indeed said they rank lashlee higher than they do gattis and that they believe gattis to be an asterisk. I’m saying, I can’t tell you who’s higher than who but gattis isn’t a hands down better OC.
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Yeah, I didn't say one was better than the other, either. Maybe you just quoted me, but were kind of speaking generally?

Regardless, my stance has been (and remains) that the time to start judging Gattis is the end whistle of the aTm game.

Until then, we have no idea what he and Mario want to run/do. Did Gattis run more at Mich bc of Harbaugh? Bc of injuries/personnel? Bc that is what he likes to do?

Will Mario pass more simply because he can't sign WR recruits right now, due to the negative recruiting against the (perceived) Mario/Gattis offense?

We won't know til they play ball, and the games before aTm won't tell us anything. End of aTm is when everyone should start judging.
 
Cribby said:
I felt there was no better time than now to discuss the pink elephant in the room. Yes….I’m talking the wr’s. I had a big part in creating this narrative in early spring. At that time me and a certain poster had a disagreement about the wr group , the poster mentioned he had heard the wr’s were balling. I told him it’s more like the opposite , they’re struggling, we had quite the battle lol. So since I had a small hand in creating this narrative figured it’s only right I pull everyone back off the life boat…..FOR NOW!!

First let’s fact check….are some wr’s dropping balls ? Yes….too many and it’s unacceptable. Are guys having issues picking up the offense ? Yes. Is there concerns about this group going into the season? YES!! Is X far and away the most consistent performer since spring? Yes.

Now let’s get to the part that doesn’t add up, these same guys that are dropping passes now wasn’t doing it last year. At practice or in games. JG was returning punts as a true Fr and was the most consistent guy the entire year. You don’t put guys with suspect hands back for the most hectic , dangerous play in football. Theres literally eleven guys flying down hill and you only have a split second to make up your mind.

So the question I have his why did this suddenly become a major issue? Here’s some of my theories.

1. Guys are thinking more than playing. They went from a elementary style offense which is known for easy route concepts and even easier playbook to learn. The whole point of that O was to not think, just play and fast. This year it went to a college level playbook and it’s busting their asses. Instead of just running a route , putting your foot in the dirt breaking that thing off you’re unsure, maybe even looking at hashes so know where to round it off or just not confident in the assignment / play call.

2. They’re actually facing a really good defense every day, I’ve been told by too many people to count this is as legit of a defense we’ve had in a minute. Big , fast and very physical. Especially a secondary who’s finally allowed to rough up wr’s off the line , which is hurting clean get offs. That leads to no separation. That’s not a good equation for success when most of the wr’s are kinda light in the ***. The one guy giving the D issues is X who’s 5’10 200.

3. Young guys pressing. We forget majority of these guys are getting their first real serious burn and are being asked to be more than role players. JG, RB and BS was the core that was being expected to take this group into the future. It’s different when you aren’t the fourth , fifth or sixth option.

4. Maybe they just aren’t as good as their ranking or as good as we thought they were. The rankings and us as fans overvalued this group.

So now the question is can coaches do anything to take the pressure off or put them in better situations? @LuCane and myself both mentioned that maybe Gattis could implement a little bit of what Lashlee was doing towards the end of last season. Ease up the playbook ,possibly throw in some of the route concepts and wider splits, which gives them more space to work with. I’m willing to bet they’re pressing at this point and as I said it’s likely mental. Simplifying things has been known to work, I’ve seen it too many times to count.

I’m not ready to throw the season away just yet even though I know wr is a concern. Confidence is a weird thing after guys make some plays when bullets start flying. They won’t face a better defense during the season , so it’s all down hill week one.

All we need is this group to be consistent, thats it. Not Andre J, Santana or even Rambo. Consistent Everyone play their role.

Imo we won’t see any 18 % drop rates this year like a couple guys who are no longer here.
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We heard these same concerns with Enos installation..I just hope (I’m confident he will) Gattis will play towards these guys strengths..even Frank Ladson came from a relatively Simple passing offense
 
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IndayArtHauz said:
Seen a lot of things on this site, never seen someone scared of their own opinion.
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How can you defend using a two person sample size to say that kids from another area are smarter than kids on from this area.

I would be afraid to have to defend that opinion too, because it’s the opinion of someone that is guilty of what he’s accusing some of these kids of being.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
I've been saying for the longest, that UNC game worries me those most after A&M and Clemson.

UNC has been recruiting at our level, almost identically, for the last 4 years. Maye is a very high prospect.

I'm not saying we won't win, bc I think we do....but that game shouldn't be taken lightly.

Pitssburg worries me way less.
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Pitt is better than UNC...and Uva has a passing game but no OL. UVA has the best wr unit in the conference.
 
DTP said:
Nobody’s scheme is going to beat those teams with our current talent. Gattis’ offense got crushed by Georgia in the playoffs. If we switched coaches with Alabama, they’d still win. What we need to focus on right now is beating the UNCs, UVAs and FSUs on our schedule while compiling more talent through recruiting. A great scheme can only make up for so much talent disparity.
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And outside of the SEC Championship Game that Georgia defense crushed every offense they faced including Alabama's offense in the rematch. As an OC who got his offense crushed by Georgia, Josh Gattis isnt special as he had a lot of company. Going into that playoff game Michigan was doomed. They had a pedestrian QB and their WR didn't scare a squad like UGA.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
I see a lot of ppl mentioning Mallory as the savior to the WR drops.

Ppl forget that he struggled immensely with drops last season. Pretty sure he single handedly cost us a game with his drops.

You're not hearing it in camp, bc hes been held out a lot.

Hopefully he has fixed the drops issue of last season. It seemed to be mental imo.

I'm just saying....
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I wonder why there is no mention of using skinner as the wr to win 1 on 1 battles
Biggest mismatch with a cb we have
 
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