Latest on QB Torrance Gibson.....

[killa1storm]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

You shouldn't be surprised with all the misinformation on this thread.

Pouncey- All Pro
Pouncey- All Pro
Harvin- Pro Bowler
Hernandez- Pro Bowler before he went on a murder spree
Cooper- solid 2nd option on his team
Murphy- has been a solid #3 receiver throughout his career
Gilbert- starter on Pittsburgh's o-line

And that's just off the top of my head.

So, only 4 pro bowlers and 2 are centers....... lol that was funny

Only 4? Only? LOL. That's just off one offense of his. Exactly how many programs out there have recently produced 4 pro bowl offensive players? Please provide the list, I'll be waiting...

 

[lauderdaleballer]

What he said:

I’d be committed there right now if they ran a spread offense that runs the zone-read. That’s the kind of offense that best fits me.

What he means:

I'd be committed there right now if they ran an offense that didn't want me to be a complete quarterback. I'm not interested in honing all of my skills to be a pro-style QB, I just want to run and gun from the spread.

I'll take Kaaya for the next 4 years and be ecstatic--at least he wants to develop all aspects of his game as a QB. Gibson may want to run that spread offense like Tennessee/Auburn/tOSU* will be running, but the most he will develop in a system like that (even with collegiate success) is Cam Newton, at worst Tim Tebow.

If he went to a school that would develop him as a true pro-style QB and rounded out his skill set, he'd be closer to a Colin Kaepernick. PRO TIP: Kaepernick's already played in a Super Bowl, Cam hasn't, and Tebow's out of the facking league calling games for the $EC Network...and when it comes to development, collegiate success be damned.

Man if he develops into a Cam Newton that's a success... Cam is a beast with no wideouts... Let's quit the BS about development... Our best pro qbs were Vinnie and Kosar... We can't say what we'll develop any qb into... We need to win... And let's not pretend Kaaya is a finished product... I believe accuracy is something he needs to work on as well... Like this kid he is a great talent that needs to be develop...

Personally, I think TG needs to develop more as a passer but that's what these coaches are paid for... They need to take them and mold him into a successful qb... I have seen this staff take lesser talented qbs so there's no excuse regarding this kid... That being said, your development line is BS... Gus develops his qbs... That man turn a corner into legit qb... Marshall may not be a 1st day pick but if he keeps developing he'll get a shot at qb on some NFL roster(not saying he'll start) and no one can make an argument about Cam...

As for Osu and Tenn, I sort of agree with you but Urb has made non traditional qb prospects successful like Tebow and Miller, but his best passers were not as heralded but they were better passers Jacobs, Leaks, and Alex "nine lives" Smith...

Jim Kelly was pretty good too. Don't forget about him man! God Bless him!

Oh yea my bad... Can't forget about Kelly... However, I looked at his stats and it appeared that he was a much better player in the NFL... What year did he get drafted? Was it the same year as Marino?

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Why are we still stuck on the NFL U ****?

Who gives a **** what scheme prepares our kids for the NFL?! Let's run the schemes that fit our South FLA athletes and win some **** COLLEGE football games.

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It's like we make excuses for falling short of getting the players we want... I have seen this staff offer and accepted all kinds of qbs... DD, PP, option, etc. Preston Dewey, Rosier and Thompson were all accepted by this staff and was different types of qbs... Didn't Rosier run over 1000 last year?

 

[TheMatador]

What he said:

I’d be committed there right now if they ran a spread offense that runs the zone-read. That’s the kind of offense that best fits me.

What he means:

I'd be committed there right now if they ran an offense that didn't want me to be a complete quarterback. I'm not interested in honing all of my skills to be a pro-style QB, I just want to run and gun from the spread.

I'll take Kaaya for the next 4 years and be ecstatic--at least he wants to develop all aspects of his game as a QB. Gibson may want to run that spread offense like Tennessee/Auburn/tOSU* will be running, but the most he will develop in a system like that (even with collegiate success) is Cam Newton, at worst Tim Tebow.

If he went to a school that would develop him as a true pro-style QB and rounded out his skill set, he'd be closer to a Colin Kaepernick. PRO TIP: Kaepernick's already played in a Super Bowl, Cam hasn't, and Tebow's out of the facking league calling games for the $EC Network...and when it comes to development, collegiate success be damned.

Man if he develops into a Cam Newton that's a success... Cam is a beast with no wideouts... Let's quit the BS about development... Our best pro qbs were Vinnie and Kosar... We can't say what we'll develop any qb into... We need to win... And let's not pretend Kaaya is a finished product... I believe accuracy is something he needs to work on as well... Like this kid he is a great talent that needs to be develop...

Personally, I think TG needs to develop more as a passer but that's what these coaches are paid for... They need to take them and mold him into a successful qb... I have seen this staff take lesser talented qbs so there's no excuse regarding this kid... That being said, your development line is BS... Gus develops his qbs... That man turn a corner into legit qb... Marshall may not be a 1st day pick but if he keeps developing he'll get a shot at qb on some NFL roster(not saying he'll start) and no one can make an argument about Cam...

As for Osu and Tenn, I sort of agree with you but Urb has made non traditional qb prospects successful like Tebow and Miller, but his best passers were not as heralded but they were better passers Jacobs, Leaks, and Alex "nine lives" Smith...

Jim Kelly was pretty good too. Don't forget about him man! God Bless him!

Oh yea my bad... Can't forget about Kelly... However, I looked at his stats and it appeared that he was a much better player in the NFL... What year did he get drafted? Was it the same year as Marino?

Kelly and Marino were both drafted in 1983, part of the greatest QB class in draft history. There were six QBs drafted in the first round in that class, as I recall: Elway, Marino, Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O'Brien, and Todd Blackledge. Don't ask me the order. As I remember, Marino was drafted late, near the end of the first round, and I was a bigger Dolphin fan, and was very disappointed. Marino had a lot of interceptions his senior year, and there were rumors of marijuana use, which nowadays, would probably be no big deal. If you want to look up where each particular QB was drafted in the first round, google it.

As I recall, Kelly did not go immediately to the NFL. He went to the USFL, where he played in Mouse Davis' Run and Shoot offense with the Houston Gamblers. He put up incredible numbers, passing for almost 5800 yards and 45 TDs. As I remember, the offense also caused Kelly to take a lot of hits because it minimized pass protection and used four WRs regularly. Kelly was tough and able to withstand the punishment. At least that's my recollection. I saw Marino throw what might have been his first passes as a Dolphin when they played an exhibition agaiinst the Redskins in RFK stadium. He threw an interception, but I recall a deep out with perfect placement which told me the guy was a special passer. I believe David Woodley was the Dolphin starter but it was clear Marino was at least a couple of cuts above him.

 

[TheMatador]

Why are we still stuck on the NFL U ****?

Who gives a **** what scheme prepares our kids for the NFL?! Let's run the schemes that fit our South FLA athletes and win some **** COLLEGE football games.

+100000000

+20000000000000000

It's like we make excuses for falling short of getting the players we want... I have seen this staff offer and accepted all kinds of qbs... DD, PP, option, etc. Preston Dewey, Rosier and Thompson were all accepted by this staff and was different types of qbs... Didn't Rosier run over 1000 last year?

Rosier has said in an interview that he was recruited specifically because of his ability to pass AND run with the idea that he would run the wildcat for us. So, it appears that Coley would like QBs that can do different types of things. Just my observation going back to the 1980's--we always had our biggest problems with athletic QBs, guys that were mobile and could pass. Incidentally, I don't know where the idea comes from that Kaaya has to work on accuracy. What impressed me the most was perfect placement of all types of passes, including deep throws and some very difficult passes where he had perfect placement. That was video I saw long before his name came up as actively being recruited.

 

[Coach Macho]

I love how people think Miami would be like Oregon if we ran the spread. The difference between us and every other school that runs that offense is that WE COULD FIELD A COMPETENT DEFENSE.

Our talent and depth on offense is nothing like we've ever seen from any spread team in college. We'd line up with 4 future NFL WR's and an NFL RB every play. We would trump anything Oregon has ever done on offense.

When Stacy Coley or Herb Waters is your slot WR and he's being covered by the defense's 3rd best DB...

Well...

 

[Calinative]

Why does everyone just assume because you have a mobile qb, that you need to run read option all the time with them? I mean running just our regular offense with a qb that can run would work great. he drops back, and the defense will need to have a qb spy on him at all times or else he takes off for 5-10 yard gains all day. and by putting a guy in spy it is taking away one of their players.
The problem comes when you have a Qb who is completely run first, pass second. That, to me, is the type of QB Gibson is. He is a gifted athlete, but not a gifted qb. I mean in college, maybe he will succeed at the position, But in the NFL he won't. Getting athletic qb's is great for your offense, but not when they aren't better passers than they are runners. I mean some examples would be Russel Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Jameis Winston, and Marcus Mariota. I mean they run read-option every once in a while, but they are successful because they are good passers, and when they have space they will take off running if someone isn't open. I mean Gibson would be smarter in my opinion to go into a pro style offense, because it's better to find out if you can succeed at the position in college rather than the NFL before it's too late. Then if he doesn't do well he can change to wr, and still earn a high draft pick.

 

[Coach Macho]

Why does everyone just assume because you have a mobile qb, that you need to run read option all the time with them? I mean running just our regular offense with a qb that can run would work great. he drops back, and the defense will need to have a qb spy on him at all times or else he takes off for 5-10 yard gains all day. and by putting a guy in spy it is taking away one of their players.
The problem comes when you have a Qb who is completely run first, pass second. That, to me, is the type of QB Gibson is. He is a gifted athlete, but not a gifted qb. I mean in college, maybe he will succeed at the position, But in the NFL he won't. Getting athletic qb's is great for your offense, but not when they aren't better passers than they are runners. I mean some examples would be Russel Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Jameis Winston, and Marcus Mariota. I mean they run read-option every once in a while, but they are successful because they are good passers, and when they have space they will take off running if someone isn't open. I mean Gibson would be smarter in my opinion to go into a pro style offense, because it's better to find out if you can succeed at the position in college rather than the NFL before it's too late. Then if he doesn't do well he can change to wr, and still earn a high draft pick.

Agree.

 

[Coach Macho]

People swear that our system/scheme sent guys to the NFL. It didn't matter what scheme we ran, our NFL guys were going to the NFL regardless. No scheme was keeping Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey or Andre Johnson out of the NFL. The same applies to allthe guys we sent to the league. Matter of fact, our best QB ever absolutely sucked in the NFL.

NFL caliber players are NFL caliber players no matter what scheme they play in. You think if Gibson plays in a spread offense that the NFL isn't gonna draft him?

These kids care about winning games and going to the league, that's it. What happens to them in the league is something that most of them aren't even thinking ahead to.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

You shouldn't be surprised with all the misinformation on this thread.

Pouncey- All Pro
Pouncey- All Pro
Harvin- Pro Bowler
Hernandez- Pro Bowler before he went on a murder spree
Cooper- solid 2nd option on his team
Murphy- has been a solid #3 receiver throughout his career
Gilbert- starter on Pittsburgh's o-line

And that's just off the top of my head.

I'm not sure why Percy Harvin gets so much love. He was a pro-bowler his rookie year as a kick returner. He had one solid year in 2011, but hasn't been reliable since then. Has never put up huge consistent numbers like some of the great Miami receivers of the past decade like Johnson, Wayne, and Moss.

I wouldn't even mention Hernandez if I were you. Meyer is the reason Hernandez is in jail right now. He let him skate on so much ****, sent him the message that Hernandez was bigger than society's rules, and that football was more important than his anti-social behavior. Urban Meyer is a disgrace to coaches everywhere.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

You shouldn't be surprised with all the misinformation on this thread.

Pouncey- All Pro
Pouncey- All Pro
Harvin- Pro Bowler
Hernandez- Pro Bowler before he went on a murder spree
Cooper- solid 2nd option on his team
Murphy- has been a solid #3 receiver throughout his career
Gilbert- starter on Pittsburgh's o-line

And that's just off the top of my head.

I'm not sure why Percy Harvin gets so much love. He was a pro-bowler his rookie year as a kick returner. He had one solid year in 2011, but hasn't been reliable since then. Has never put up huge consistent numbers like some of the great Miami receivers of the past decade like Johnson, Wayne, and Moss.

I wouldn't even mention Hernandez if I were you. Meyer is the reason Hernandez is in jail right now. He let him skate on so much ****, sent him the message that Hernandez was bigger than society's rules, and that football was more important than his anti-social behavior. Urban Meyer is a disgrace to coaches everywhere.

This is a bit unfair statement... Harvin doesn't touch our great wideouts but he's still a dynamic player... He's a utility guy who can do everything... Comparing him to some our best players is a bit unfair... As for Hernandez, Meyer let him skate but you can't blame Meyer for him being a murder... The guy was messed up and you can't predict that... That being said, he was productive but not a good person and he wasnt better than our tight ends...

 

[Waffle Honcho]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

You shouldn't be surprised with all the misinformation on this thread.

Pouncey- All Pro
Pouncey- All Pro
Harvin- Pro Bowler
Hernandez- Pro Bowler before he went on a murder spree
Cooper- solid 2nd option on his team
Murphy- has been a solid #3 receiver throughout his career
Gilbert- starter on Pittsburgh's o-line

And that's just off the top of my head.

I'm not sure why Percy Harvin gets so much love. He was a pro-bowler his rookie year as a kick returner. He had one solid year in 2011, but hasn't been reliable since then. Has never put up huge consistent numbers like some of the great Miami receivers of the past decade like Johnson, Wayne, and Moss.

I wouldn't even mention Hernandez if I were you. Meyer is the reason Hernandez is in jail right now. He let him skate on so much ****, sent him the message that Hernandez was bigger than society's rules, and that football was more important than his anti-social behavior. Urban Meyer is a disgrace to coaches everywhere.

This is a bit unfair statement... Harvin doesn't touch our great wideouts but he's still a dynamic player... He's a utility guy who can do everything... Comparing him to some our best players is a bit unfair... As for Hernandez, Meyer let him skate but you can't blame Meyer for him being a murder... The guy was messed up and you can't predict that... That being said, he was productive but not a good person and he wasnt better than our tight ends...

Harvin doesn't touch Devin Hester either, if you'd like to compare someone a little more similar.

I do blame Meyer for him being a murderer. When you break the law and receive positive reinforcement, you learn that it's ok, you learn that the law doesn't apply to you. If he didn't have any transgressions in college that would be one thing, but he had transgressions in college that went relatively unpunished.

 

[nystateofmind]

If you think Urban Meyer is responsible for Aaron Hernandez snapping when some guy spilled a drink on him and then shooting up his car I really don't know what to tell you.

Hernandez is obviously a deranged person, nothing Urban Meyer, scumabag he is, did would've changed that.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

If you think Urban Meyer is responsible for Aaron Hernandez snapping when some guy spilled a drink on him and then shooting up his car I really don't know what to tell you.

Hernandez is obviously a deranged person, nothing Urban Meyer, scumabag he is, did would've changed that.

And if you don't understand operant conditioning, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[DiegoCane]

If you think Urban Meyer is responsible for Aaron Hernandez snapping when some guy spilled a drink on him and then shooting up his car I really don't know what to tell you.

Hernandez is obviously a deranged person, nothing Urban Meyer, scumabag he is, did would've changed that.

Not saying he contributed but I know someone who was close to the situation. Hernandez would have been dismissed probably 10x over at most colleges.

Urban is a win at all cost type of coach.

 

[Calinative]

People swear that our system/scheme sent guys to the NFL. It didn't matter what scheme we ran, our NFL guys were going to the NFL regardless. No scheme was keeping Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey or Andre Johnson out of the NFL. The same applies to allthe guys we sent to the league. Matter of fact, our best QB ever absolutely sucked in the NFL.

NFL caliber players are NFL caliber players no matter what scheme they play in. You think if Gibson plays in a spread offense that the NFL isn't gonna draft him?

These kids care about winning games and going to the league, that's it. What happens to them in the league is something that most of them aren't even thinking ahead to.

Well to be honest, scheme really only plays a big role for QB's. I mean it isn't very often you see read option QB's succeeding at the NFL level; The only 2 I can think of is Vick and Kaepernick. However most other schemes are fine. For most other positions, the scheme can either bring out the players talent, or not. So if the player (non QB) fits the scheme well I think it will definitely increase the chances the player gets drafted. I mean all the NFL teams value different skills in different positions, so a player is bound to find some team that likes what he brings to the table if he is good.
And yeah you are right, most of these guys don't even think about what happens once/if they make the NFL. And, to me, that is the wrong mentality to have. But again, this mostly applies to QB's, and Gibson is clearly making the wrong choice. **** the guy is athletic as all ****, has great height. I don't know what his weight is, but if he's about 210, his build would be perfect for a freshman WR. Honestly, if you are playing WR for your 7v7 team, that might be an indication you aren't as good as you though you were at QB. But, players these days think they deserve things they don't, like they deserve a scholarship offer from Miami... Well, I guess that's just my opinion though..

 

[Eastfan]

Why does everyone just assume because you have a mobile qb, that you need to run read option all the time with them? I mean running just our regular offense with a qb that can run would work great. he drops back, and the defense will need to have a qb spy on him at all times or else he takes off for 5-10 yard gains all day. and by putting a guy in spy it is taking away one of their players.
The problem comes when you have a Qb who is completely run first, pass second. That, to me, is the type of QB Gibson is. He is a gifted athlete, but not a gifted qb. I mean in college, maybe he will succeed at the position, But in the NFL he won't. Getting athletic qb's is great for your offense, but not when they aren't better passers than they are runners. I mean some examples would be Russel Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Jameis Winston, and Marcus Mariota. I mean they run read-option every once in a while, but they are successful because they are good passers, and when they have space they will take off running if someone isn't open. I mean Gibson would be smarter in my opinion to go into a pro style offense, because it's better to find out if you can succeed at the position in college rather than the NFL before it's too late. Then if he doesn't do well he can change to wr, and still earn a high draft pick.

I doubt he makes it as a QB in the NFL, and I doubt he makes it in a pro-style system in college as a QB, he wont beat out pro-style passers in college. So going to a pro-style school like Alabama or UM makes no sense unless he has already decided to play WR.

He doesnt want that right now and what he wants should play some role in what he chooses to do.

There are too many examples at this point of QBs similar in ability to Gibson who have made it as college QBs and several have now gone on to play and start in the NFL, getting there through spread offenses that allow lots of freedom to improvise.

Their is wisdom in what he is doing. Given his natural ability at WR, a shot at WR in the NFL is already in the bag, barring injury and not starting in college as a QB or WR that opportunity is going to happen.

Why shouldnt he trade up and try to do what Vick, VY, Manziel, Newton and Tebow have done before him. He has far more to gain than lose if no matter what he gets some kinda shot at the NFL?

He tries for QB fails and get his shot at WR anyway.

All he has to lose is money and status by not trying for QB glory in college and the NFL.

 

[BWCD]

I love how people think Miami would be like Oregon if we ran the spread. The difference between us and every other school that runs that offense is that WE COULD FIELD A COMPETENT DEFENSE.

Right! Like the one we have right now. Whoops...

How in the blue **** is us running the spread on offense going to help us field a competent defense? One has nothing to do with the other. Good job, good effort.

Why does everyone just assume because you have a mobile qb, that you need to run read option all the time with them? I mean running just our regular offense with a qb that can run would work great. he drops back, and the defense will need to have a qb spy on him at all times or else he takes off for 5-10 yard gains all day. and by putting a guy in spy it is taking away one of their players.
The problem comes when you have a Qb who is completely run first, pass second. That, to me, is the type of QB Gibson is. He is a gifted athlete, but not a gifted qb. I mean in college, maybe he will succeed at the position, But in the NFL he won't. Getting athletic qb's is great for your offense, but not when they aren't better passers than they are runners. I mean some examples would be Russel Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Jameis Winston, and Marcus Mariota. I mean they run read-option every once in a while, but they are successful because they are good passers, and when they have space they will take off running if someone isn't open. I mean Gibson would be smarter in my opinion to go into a pro style offense, because it's better to find out if you can succeed at the position in college rather than the NFL before it's too late. Then if he doesn't do well he can change to wr, and still earn a high draft pick.

Agree as well, just like Wildcat did. Except the issue with Gibson is that he does NOT want to run a pro-style offense in college--in his own words, he wants a spread no-huddle read-option. I'm all for using a Dual-Threat type guy in a pro-style offense. Playaction, rollouts, draws, some Pistol or even traditional spread read option...all of that is entirely possible out of a pro-style offense that is designed around multiple formations.

This is why Gibson doesn't get it. He can be effective and dominant in BOTH kinds of offenses--he's that talented. Saying pro-style has become a dirty word in the era where the spread is the new toy for JV/HS coaches...and Gibson has bought into it, and has pigeon-holed himself as a result. The difference between running a true Spread is college and a true Pro-Style in college for Gibson could be a full round in the draft, and a lesser learning curve when he gets to the NFL. He's got to think about that and make (hopefully) the right choice, which just so happens to also be in his backyard.

 

[CANE1775]

Aaron Hernandez would have been Aaron Hernandez no matter if Urban would have booted him off the team. Someone else would have given him a shot.

 

[Miami82]

If you think Urban Meyer is responsible for Aaron Hernandez snapping when some guy spilled a drink on him and then shooting up his car I really don't know what to tell you.

Hernandez is obviously a deranged person, nothing Urban Meyer, scumabag he is, did would've changed that.

Come on man, no one is responsible for their own actions anymore. It's the liberal game of blame someone else for your actions...retarded I tell you.