Larry Coker hire was worst event in history of UM football

[MiamiVice7]

I understand the OP's point. It was the Coker hire that set off the chain of events that brought us to where we are today. Hire a legitimate HC after Butch leaves instead of caving to the players and the last decade could have gone in a completely different direction.

Right. And the typical retort of 'hey, he won a NC!' doesn't hold water b/c that team was winning it all regardless of the HC.

 

[dedostheibis]

butch davis was a master evaluator of high school kids and master recruiter.

when his players left the school year after year so did the wins and loses


we was getting trashed in the orange bowl. the last game was 48-0 against garbage virginia it started before the move to sun life

 

[mianjomar]

I couldn't agree with this post more. Ed Reed, Ken Dorsey and others as great as they were put a lot of pressure on the administration to hire Coker. Enter Donna with her bleeding heart and Paul Dee the second worst mistake in Miami's history an goodbye Miami for a decade and a half.In my view Sam Jankowicvh was the last AD worth his salt we ever had.

 

[Fightinibis]

I understand the OP's point. It was the Coker hire that set off the chain of events that brought us to where we are today. Hire a legitimate HC after Butch leaves instead of caving to the players and the last decade could have gone in a completely different direction.

So true...but back to back illegitimate head coaching choices=death.

An ability to learn from your mistake (Alabama) and go for the serious coaching upgrade, and we could have recovered from the Coker experiment. They go Saban, we go Shannon...and the rest is painfully obvious as it should have been back then.

UM

 

[3FW]

The biggest mistake was hiring Shannon. That failure was very predictable, and almost all the blame I put on Shalala is related to that hire. Dee was against Shannon, but had no power because he was a lame duck.

 

[deleted4920]

This is like saying ahead cold is worse than terminal cancer.

First of all, Coker was ONE terrible, awful, disgraceful pass interference call away from winning 2 NC's and being 34-0. Please do not trot out the " he won with Butchs player" argument. He did better with Butch's players than Butch did.

Secondly, the SENIORS on that team wanted Coker. Primarily Ed Reed and Ken Dorsey. Perhaps you recall those names. The alternative was Barry Alvarez. So, imagine if we'd hired Alvarez( a Big Ten guy, not a SoFla guy) and we dont win the 2001 title with the BEST Colleget team ever? What would be saying now?

Coker was a head cold.

Shannon was pneumonia.

Golden is Ebola.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

I understand the OP's point. It was the Coker hire that set off the chain of events that brought us to where we are today. Hire a legitimate HC after Butch leaves instead of caving to the players and the last decade could have gone in a completely different direction.

Right. And the typical retort of 'hey, he won a NC!' doesn't hold water b/c that team was winning it all regardless of the HC.

Right. because with Golden/D'Onofrio's "scheme", we still hold Washington, Cuse and Nebraska to ridiculously low point totals in 2001, and still hold off a BC team that gave us our toughest game that year, etc, etc.

People nee to quit with the BS that "anyone could have coached that team."

 

[3FW]

Coker's problem was discipline. Butch had it ingrained in the kids he left, Coker could not continue to drive that. From the day the class of the 2002 arrived on campus they were a problem. They lacked talent, and did not work like the kids recruited by Davis. It got worse from there. When the class of 2001 was gone, so was the reign of the Canes.

 

[MiamiVice7]

I understand the OP's point. It was the Coker hire that set off the chain of events that brought us to where we are today. Hire a legitimate HC after Butch leaves instead of caving to the players and the last decade could have gone in a completely different direction.

Right. And the typical retort of 'hey, he won a NC!' doesn't hold water b/c that team was winning it all regardless of the HC.

Right. because with Golden/D'Onofrio's "scheme", we still hold Washington, Cuse and Nebraska to ridiculously low point totals in 2001, and still hold off a BC team that gave us our toughest game that year, etc, etc.

People nee to quit with the BS that "anyone could have coached that team."

Well I'm not talking about point totals, I'm talking about winning games. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. I stand by my point: the 2001 'Canes weren't going to be denied, regardless of who the HC was.

 

[kendallcanes]

Worst Events are:
1. Tearing down Orange Bowl
2. Hiring Shalala
3. Joining the ACC
4. Scandals (90s and 2000s)
5. Brawl with FIU

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

I understand the OP's point. It was the Coker hire that set off the chain of events that brought us to where we are today. Hire a legitimate HC after Butch leaves instead of caving to the players and the last decade could have gone in a completely different direction.

Right. And the typical retort of 'hey, he won a NC!' doesn't hold water b/c that team was winning it all regardless of the HC.

Right. because with Golden/D'Onofrio's "scheme", we still hold Washington, Cuse and Nebraska to ridiculously low point totals in 2001, and still hold off a BC team that gave us our toughest game that year, etc, etc.

People nee to quit with the BS that "anyone could have coached that team."

Well I'm not talking about point totals, I'm talking about winning games. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. I stand by my point: the 2001 'Canes weren't going to be denied, regardless of who the HC was.

Point totals determine who wins the game.

Again, think about it. If D'Onofrio coaches that team, the defense gives up a lot of points and a crapload of time of possession to these teams, which means that our offense--even with guys like Dorsey, Gore, etc--doesn't get the ball enough to keep up.

We don't win that NC with D'Onofrio as DC, and since D'Onofrio is tied to Golden at the hip, that means we don't win that NC with Golden.

There are dozens of other coaches too. IMO, we don't win that title with Hoke, Edsall, Holgorsen, Muschamp, and about a dozen other coaches.

 

[MiamiVice7]

I understand the OP's point. It was the Coker hire that set off the chain of events that brought us to where we are today. Hire a legitimate HC after Butch leaves instead of caving to the players and the last decade could have gone in a completely different direction.

Right. And the typical retort of 'hey, he won a NC!' doesn't hold water b/c that team was winning it all regardless of the HC.

Right. because with Golden/D'Onofrio's "scheme", we still hold Washington, Cuse and Nebraska to ridiculously low point totals in 2001, and still hold off a BC team that gave us our toughest game that year, etc, etc.

People nee to quit with the BS that "anyone could have coached that team."

Well I'm not talking about point totals, I'm talking about winning games. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. I stand by my point: the 2001 'Canes weren't going to be denied, regardless of who the HC was.

Point totals determine who wins the game.

Again, think about it. If D'Onofrio coaches that team, the defense gives up a lot of points and a crapload of time of possession to these teams, which means that our offense--even with guys like Dorsey, Gore, etc--doesn't get the ball enough to keep up.

We don't win that NC with D'Onofrio as DC, and since D'Onofrio is tied to Golden at the hip, that means we don't win that NC with Golden.

There are dozens of other coaches too. IMO, we don't win that title with Hoke, Edsall, Holgorsen, Muschamp, and about a dozen other coaches.

Man...my "point totals" comment related to your "hold Washington, Cuse and Nebraska to ridiculously low point totals in 2001" statement...bottom line, we win those games even if my sister is coaching, whether by 50 or 30 or whatever. And I don't have a sister. That's what I think. You don't have to agree, but I certainly don't need you to explain how games are won.

Plus, as I recall, our O didn't need to have the ball that long anyways because we'd score in 2 minutes or less much of the time.

And even if D'Onofrio had been coaching D, I think highly enough of the 2001 team that I believe we're winning anyways. Besides, I'm pretty confident that Reed and/or some other players would have backed D'Onofrio into a corner and threatened his life until **** ran down his leg and he begged for mercy. Then, they'd tell him that he's done calling plays and he'd quietly sit in the booth with headphones on listening to George Michael or whatever the **** makes him so soft. Because, again, they weren't going to be denied.

Anyways, like I said - agree to disagree.

 

[nystateofmind]

Coker at UTSA would run circles around this Miami team. Coker > Shannon > Golden

As CEO's, Golden blows them away.

-Golden is a solid, relentless recruiter and a great speaker. He bull****s, but it sounds good.
-Shannon's recruiting efforts besides '08 were borderline criminal. The guy just did not try. He also couldn't put together two sentences in front of a mic.
-Coker's recruiting obsession with stars got him through the first few years but when the program began to fade he basically gave up as well. Decent behind a mic but nothing special.


Unfortunately Golden can't coach. So that makes the rest moot.

 

[MiamiJoe]

Stupidest thread ever as I lived through every home game in 70's and there was nothing then that was as good as hiring Coker PERIOD!!!

 

[SmokeyRone]

Radio was the worst hire in sports history. You hire a assistant, who was a huge part of the problem with Coker's disaster, because of some political correctness experiment.

KNOWING it would kill football at the U.

A real coach hired after Coker, and the program is elite in two seasons.

 

[Miami82]

I understand the OP's point. It was the Coker hire that set off the chain of events that brought us to where we are today. Hire a legitimate HC after Butch leaves instead of caving to the players and the last decade could have gone in a completely different direction.

Right. And the typical retort of 'hey, he won a NC!' doesn't hold water b/c that team was winning it all regardless of the HC.

This is one of the dumbest hypotheticals ever stated on any cane board. Guess what, Coker did win the NC with that team. Prove that any coach could have done that? I'll hang up a listen.

 

[Miami82]

Stupidest thread ever as I lived through every home game in 70's and there was nothing then that was as good as hiring Coker PERIOD!!!

I get your point, but I would state the BEST coach ever hired for the Canes was done in 79'. Howard Schnellenberger

 

[SmokeyRone]

I dissagree with the OP, and think the Fester hire was a result of what the REAL disaster was (Shalala), but I do think the OP is being beaten up a bit here.

He sure has a reasonable, albeit rebuttable, theory.

 

[Miami82]

I dissagree with the OP, and think the Fester hire was a result of what the REAL disaster was (Shalala), but I do think the OP is being beaten up a bit here.

He sure has a reasonable, albeit rebuttable, theory.

Coker wasn't hired under Shalala. I do blame her for the extension.