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Lane vs Mario

JD4 said:
plenty of coaches have signed the extension already presented to them, Cig, Lashlee, Elko, and more.

If his heart was in Oxford he’d resign already to end the circus and keep the team focused. Obviously he’s seriously considering a move which is fine. He’s handling it pretty well it’s not easy to keep the team focused and deflect when asked the same question repeatedly.

If I was a rebel I’d be fair to be annoyed that coach is thinking about his next stop though. He has every right to do so too
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Kiffin is already signed until 2031 lol How far out does he need to be extended?
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
When was Mario in the playoffs at Oregon?

And I don’t care if Lane even does agree to a deal. Plenty of coaches have backchanneled new jobs while coaching meaningful games. But you don’t actually leave. I hear @Angry Ibis point, if they tell him GTFO that’s different. I don’t see how that happens though. He’s got them by the balls.
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1. Is Ole Miss currently in the playoffs or r they projected to make the playoffs?

2. B4 Oregon’s match up vs Utah, Oregon was projected to make the playoffs. It was also during this time that word started floating around Eugene that Miami was in contact w Mario’s reps, in which Mario denied on multiple occasions to Phil Knight.

3. It’s also on record that when Mario came to visit his sick mother, business was being conducted in which Phil again asked what was going on & if it’s a $$ thing, he had a blank check for him.

4. UO got the brakes beat off them again, & it became clear Mario already had one foot out the door, & the offer was rescinded. 3 days later he was introduced as our coach.

So, again, pls don’t point the finger at Lane as if Mario didn’t do the same. Yes his mother was sick, & she eventually lost her life, but there was a concerted back door effort to lure him to Miami & Oregon had to hear from 3rd parties of what was going on, & twice Mario lied to Phil’s face. This came on the heel of Taggart lying to Phil’s face before jumping to FSU.

Now, u wanna know y Phil told Lanning anything he wants, he’ll make sure the boosters were on board? B/c unlike Mario & Taggart, when Lanning was being back doored by Alabama, he told them we’re staying with the team that gave him an opportunity & he owes them (paraphrasing).

So yeah….
 
Go Canes!! said:
You’re actually touting the football acumen of two schools who hired:

Brian Kelly
Ed Orgeron
Billy Napier
Dan Mullen

What is that, $100 million + in buyouts?
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JD4 said:
plenty of coaches have signed the extension already presented to them, Cig, Lashlee, Elko, and more.

If his heart was in Oxford he’d resign already to end the circus and keep the team focused. Obviously he’s seriously considering a move which is fine. He’s handling it pretty well it’s not easy to keep the team focused and deflect when asked the same question repeatedly.

If I was a rebel I’d be fair to be annoyed that coach is thinking about his next stop though. He has every right to do so too
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To each his own. I don’t even think we disagree that much. He will most likely leave. Oxford is not an elite job. Players can get mad but let’s not act like they wouldn’t give Bama or Georgia consideration in the portal if the price was right. Just business.

None of those examples move the needle for me. Every situation is different. I just don’t know how else he could handle this assuming he has legit interest.
 
Rellyrell said:
1. Is Ole Miss currently in the playoffs or r they projected to make the playoffs?

2. B4 Oregon’s match up vs Utah, Oregon was projected to make the playoffs. It was also during this time that word started floating around Eugene that Miami was in contact w Mario’s reps, in which Mario denied on multiple occasions to Phil Knight.

3. It’s also on record that when Mario came to visit his sick mother, business was being conducted in which Phil again asked what was going on & if it’s a $$ thing, he had a blank check for him.

4. UO got the brakes beat off them again, & it became clear Mario already had one foot out the door, & the offer was rescinded. 3 days later he was introduced as our coach.

So, again, pls don’t point the finger at Lane as if Mario didn’t do the same. Yes his mother was sick, & she eventually lost her life, but there was a concerted back door effort to lure him to Miami & Oregon had to hear from 3rd parties of what was going on, & twice Mario lied to Phil’s face. This came on the heel of Taggart lying to Phil’s face before jumping to FSU.

Now, u wanna know y Phil told Lanning anything he wants, he’ll make sure the boosters were on board? B/c unlike Mario & Taggart, when Lanning was being back doored by Alabama, he told them we’re staying with the team that gave him an opportunity & he owes them (paraphrasing).

So yeah….
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I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m sure you have knowledge of the situation so I’ll take your word for it. But 2 things…nobody knows how much the “foot out the door” contributed to the end of that season. Maybe a ton, maybe not so much. But regardless, no Ole Miss isn’t in the playoff yet, but the hypothetical and rumor I was addressing was of him leaving after Egg Bowl, which if they win, they are 100% in the playoffs. What Mario did is what countless other coaches have done. Doesn’t mean it’s right or great, but there’s precedent. I don’t think there’s any precedent (maybe I’m wrong and someone can correct me) for a coach having his team in a postseason tournament to play for a national championship and getting up in front of them and saying “Great year yall, you got this, I’m off to Baton Rouge/Gainesville”.

Again, hypothetical. I hope he doesn’t do this. All I’m saying is if he did, that’s exceptionally ****** and flat wrong, imo.
 
RVACane said:
I use THC regularly.

They all know Lane’s history. He’s been laundered cleaner by Ole Miss. Mario wouldn’t be a hot name on the market. You guys can’t be serious thinking that he’s up there in demand with kiffin. Lane is a better coach. Mario is a hard worker who tries and incrementally improves. He’s raised our floor and brought us respectable results in my opinion but not great results. Everyone is paying players these days so that lessens the recruiter first advantage we had and coaching is more important than ever.
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I disagree with this. You still need an elite recruiter in order to be in the final choices for a recruit. Money may have leveled the playing field some, but it’s still not the NFL where it’s the only real factor.

College football programs need solid recruiters to ensure they are in the final running for the players you want. Players get offers from 40-50 schools, so it’s not simply a bidding war. They do build connections with certain schools, they feel a pull toward particular coaches, and then they narrow it down to a handful. Then those remaining schools return the love, but also have to be able to back it up with the NIL.

Those two things go hand-in-hand. If you don’t have the NIL, you’re screwed, and if you can’t recruit effectively and sell your program, you’re screwed. At the same time, a huge part of recruiting is finding the right players to fit what you need in your system, so that evaluation is not as simple as having an NIL budget.

Now where exactly Mario is on the scale of recruiter is a whole separate conversation that we could debate to death, but I do not think NIL lessens the recruiting advantage we have with Mario. In fact, in certain ways, it’s the opposite.

Regarding Lane v. Mario here, I don’t know that anyone else in the CFB world sees an advantage if one over the other, provided that Land is at an SEC school and Mario is here at Miami.
 
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caneingville said:
I disagree with this. You still need an elite recruiter in order to be in the final choices for a recruit. Money may have leveled the playing field some, but it’s still not the NFL where it’s the only real factor.

College football programs need solid recruiters to ensure they are in the final running for the players you want. Players get offers from 40-50 schools, so it’s not simply a bidding war. They do build connections with certain schools, they feel a pull toward particular coaches, and then they narrow it down to a handful. Then those remaining schools return the love, but also have to be able to back it up with the NIL.

Those two things go hand-in-hand. If you don’t have the NIL, you’re screwed, and if you can’t recruit effectively and sell your program, you’re screwed. At the same time, a huge part of recruiting is finding the right players to fit what you need in your system, so that evaluation is not as simple as having an NIL budget.

Now where exactly Mario is on the scale of recruiter is a whole separate conversation that we could debate to death, but I do not think NIL lessens the recruiting advantage we have with Mario. In fact, in certain ways, it’s the opposite.

Regarding Lane v. Mario here, I don’t know that anyone else in the CFB world sees an advantage if one over the other, provided that Land is at an SEC school and Mario is here at Miami.
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I would submit to you that in today’s world, coaching + NIL > recruiter + NIL.

Of course being a good recruiter helps but it isn’t overcoming the other combination I provided in my opinion.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m sure you have knowledge of the situation so I’ll take your word for it. But 2 things…nobody knows how much the “foot out the door” contributed to the end of that season. Maybe a ton, maybe not so much. But regardless, no Ole Miss isn’t in the playoff yet, but the hypothetical and rumor I was addressing was of him leaving after Egg Bowl, which if they win, they are 100% in the playoffs. What Mario did is what countless other coaches have done. Doesn’t mean it’s right or great, but there’s precedent. I don’t think there’s any precedent (maybe I’m wrong and someone can correct me) for a coach having his team in a postseason tournament to play for a national championship and getting up in front of them and saying “Great year yall, you got this, I’m off to Baton Rouge/Gainesville”.

Again, hypothetical. I hope he doesn’t do this. All I’m saying is if he did, that’s exceptionally ****** and flat wrong, imo.
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A couple of things:

1. When Mario laid an egg in both games v. Utah, CIS made that excuse to justify the losses. I can’t vouch for the regular season game, but 100% he was already out the door by the Championship Game

2. Blame the NCAA calendar. If Lane were to leave after the season, LSU or UF is screwed. With the new ESD + portal window, u have to go now or u’ll be assed out, unfortunately.

I hope Lane stays at Ole Miss b/c we need SEC diversity. Ole Miss has turned into a real problem, & I like the parity they bring, just like Elko brings A&M to the dance of parity (although I loathe A&M).
 
RVACane said:
I would submit to you that in today’s world, coaching + NOL > recruiter + NIL
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Is there anyone out there where

HC = coaching + recruiting + NIL

Because obviously that’s ideal.

However, if Mario can stay the **** out of game day stuff, and have two reliable coordinators (defense seems to work fine this way), then perhaps

HC = recruiter + NIL

is acceptable, particularly when he is successful at getting the resources needed for all of the above, which as we know has always been an issue.

And this is not me being a Mario slurper, btw. I agree with all the criticism and have the same. I just also have some concerns about firing him too.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Mario must’ve smashed your wife or girl. I would’ve said boyfriend but I know Mario doesn’t swing that way. I mean, I have my doubts about his ability to win an NC for us too, but Jesus Christ seems like every single post with you is ******* bashing Mario. Has he hurt you that badly? Did he refuse to give you an autograph or something?
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:ohlord:... And this thread escalated quickly
 
Rellyrell said:
A couple of things:

1. When Mario laid an egg in both games v. Utah, CIS made that excuse to justify the losses. I can’t vouch for the regular season game, but 100% he was already out the door by the Championship Game

2. Blame the NCAA calendar. If Lane were to leave after the season, LSU or UF is screwed. With the new ESD + portal window, u have to go now or u’ll be assed out, unfortunately.

I hope Lane stays at Ole Miss b/c we need SEC diversity. Ole Miss has turned into a real problem, & I like the parity they bring, just like Elko brings A&M to the dance of parity (although I loathe A&M).
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Signing day is Wednesday after thanksgiving. I’m pretty sure the dead period starts Sunday night. If he actually left after the Egg Bowl, he probably wouldn’t even be at LSU or UiF before the deadline. No matter if he leaves next Sunday or after the playoff, the recruiting class is what it is. The portal, I understand the calendar. The very first post I made on this thread said I understand why he’d do it, it’s because he wants to get to town to hit the portal. I don’t agree with it. You don’t bring a team to the highest point they’ve been, ever (?) and bounce as you’re set to compete for a championship. That’s wack as ****. ****, maybe they lose in the first round, which is before Christmas. You can go then and be in place before the January portal. I’d never respect someone who deserted me as I was set to possibly win a championship. They have a legit shot to win it all, I see nobody who is so great they couldn’t beat. It’s shady as **** to leave those kids when you can just as easily just go maybe as early as Christmas.

Again tho, all hypothetical. He hasn’t done anything yet obviously.
 
caneingville said:
Is there anyone out there where

HC = coaching + recruiting + NIL

Because obviously that’s ideal.

However, if Mario can stay the **** out of game day stuff, and have two reliable coordinators (defense seems to work fine this way), then perhaps

HC = recruiter + NIL

is acceptable, particularly when he is successful at getting the resources needed for all of the above, which as we know has always been an issue.

And this is not me being a Mario slurper, btw. I agree with all the criticism and have the same. I just also have some concerns about firing him too.
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I don’t think you’re a slurper at all.

Saban was HC = coaching + recruiting + NIL. I think Lanning and Kirby are as well - defensive coaching side. I don’t know if I can find one on the offensive side. It’s rare. They’re usually coaches or recruiters there’s some who excel at both. You need NIL so if you have to pick a coaching savant or a recruiting savant, with Nil I think coach > recruiter

One thing overlooked that I think matters is the ability to identify and develop talent.
 
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Alex_Dynamix said:
I was just agreeing with @OrangeBowlMagic sentiments about him possibly bailing on Ole Miss at this point of the szn. Both Mario & Lane have a history of dropping games they shouldn’t so it’s meh to me as to the question of one over the other…I just wanna see us compete for natties again idc if it’s @RVACane himself leading us there
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@RVACane Cartel?

Tough and Physical?

Let him cook!
 
RVACane said:
I don’t think you’re a slurper at all.

Saban was HC = coaching + recruiting + NIL. I think Lanning and Kirby are as well - defensive coaching side. I don’t know if I can find one on the offensive side. It’s rare. They’re usually coaches or recruiters there’s some who excel at both. You need NIL so if you have to pick a coaching savant or a recruiting savant, with Nil I think coach > recruiter

One thing overlooked that I think matters is the ability to identify and develop talent.
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You’re absolutely right; these need to be included in the “equations.” Another thing we could include is identifying and developing coaching talent. An obvious example is the Saban coaching tree; we could potentially compare for Lane and Mario.

So do you think Jimmy Johnson’s whole “Jimmies & Joes over Xs and Os” was wrong? Or have we just evolved past it now?
 
caneingville said:
You’re absolutely right; these need to be included in the “equations.” Another thing we could include is identifying and developing coaching talent. An obvious example is the Saban coaching tree; we could potentially compare for Lane and Mario.

So do you think Jimmy Johnson’s whole “Jimmies & Joes over Xs and Os” was wrong? Or have we just evolved past it now?
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Thats such a chicken and egg thing I don’t know. I think Cignetti is doing it though. He can identify, develop and coach. I don’t know how he ranks as a recruiter but he maximizes what he has with the nil they have and they do have nil at Indiana.

If you can do what he does at UM you’ll eventually get better better players.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
If somehow, by some miracle Miami squeaks into the playoffs, and they draw Ole Miss, this place will literally blow up.

There will be one **** of a CIS civil war going and man I would be here for it, just sitting back and munching on my popcorn.
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Now these projections right now are probably not what the actual reality is going to be when it’s all said and done, but still…

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That .01 rate (or whatever it is) per click is going to make @DMoney a happy man.
 
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