Landon Tengwall - 3 videos you need to watch before Miami vs Indiana!

[BRockCane98]

You are wrong. The is in zero way the intention of the rule. The intention of block in the back is not in any way to protect an Olineman/Dlineman who lined up ON the LOS. The only way there is block in back called there is literally if they do it because they got beat and they are doing it to prevent the other player from making the play.

That's not how the rule reads! And this isn't happening on the LOS it's happening 4 or 5 yards in the backfield to an OT who kick slides and then pass sets. You can't hit someone from behind, offensive or defensive player,

The free blocking zone at the LOS is about allowing a Tackle to block a slanting 5 technique as he enters the C gap and gives the tackle his back (gets skinny) in an attempt to penetrate the backfield. The Tackle is allowed to push on his back.

An Olineman in a pass set......no you can't just go hit him in the back! The rules protect all players from that unless a player is attempting to get to the ball or ball carrier.

 

[Calinative]

My guy! appreciate you supporting the channel

I'd expect a HEAVY dose of Pistol (so they can't EASILY predict where they should run their stunts in the running game), and a lot of 2RB (well could be a TE back there) shotgun on passing downs.

A team that relies on stunts and sim pressures basically relies on the RB being a bad blocker and making Olineman slide the wrong way. But it essentially is the defenses forcing the offense to respond, instead of the other way around..

One funny counter to this is simply going with more pace. Pace is one of the biggest aides to Offensive lines, because it forces defenses to usually be a little more simple with their calls because they just have less time to get everything in... Something to consider. If we run on 2nd down or something we should go with pace on 3rd down maybe

 

[90scane]

Great videos but the praise for those "picks" Indiana sets effectively smashing into a lineman from behind or in the side is kind of annoying. That's a penalty! A 15 yarder at that! Why isn't this talked about as something referees should start calling? It's a tactic of a weak and less capable team. They can't actually win one on one matchups so they hit you from behind to free up a teammate. It's 1% impressive teamwork and 99% cheating and being allowed to get away with it because referees are lazy and stupid.

Are you really saying a DL stunt is illegal?

 

[BRockCane98]

Are you really saying a DL stunt is illegal?

A Dline stunt is designed to confuse offensive lineman. Get them moving the wrong way. That's not what Indiana is doing oftentimes.

-A tackle kick slides away from the LOS to pass set on an oncoming edge rusher
-An interior D-lineman or sometimes blitzer, being blocked by a Guard simply runs upfield and hits the OT, who at this point is 4 or 5 yards away from the LOS having kick slid back to get depth, in the back to knock him over freeing up his teammate

You really gonna pretend that's a "line stunt"?

 

[90scane]

A Dline stunt is designed to confuse offensive lineman. Get them moving the wrong way. That's not what Indiana is doing oftentimes.

-A tackle kick slides away from the LOS to pass set on an oncoming edge rusher
-An interior D-lineman or sometimes blitzer, being blocked by a Guard simply runs upfield and hits the OT, who at this point is 4 or 5 yards away from the LOS having kick slid back to get depth, in the back to knock him over freeing up his teammate

You really gonna pretend that's a "line stunt"?

Free blocking zone is 4yards off the line. Thus, they can block in the back.

 

[CanesFan93]

This is the guy who's predicting Indiana to blow us out.​

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1. Brock is the weak link of the OL which we already knew.​

2. Beck is terrible against zone. I'm counting the days down until Dawson is gone but man there are a lot of yards that Beck is leaving on the field.​

 

[BRockCane98]

Free blocking zone is 4yards off the line. Thus, they can block in the back.

1. It's only 3 yards from the neutral zone (either direction) so most of these plays are outside the FBZ anyways.
2. It only exists while the ball is in the FBZ

The free blocking zone is about initial contact. Cut blocking, notice it still has to be done from the front, or blocking a defender who gives you their back with their initial move. It doesn't allow you to smash into an offensive lineman from behind who in a pass set. If it did why wouldn't an Olineman be allowed to hit a defender from behind who's pursuing the QB?

 

[BRockCane98]

This is the guy who's predicting Indiana to blow us out.​

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1. Brock is the weak link of the OL which we already knew.​

2. Beck is terrible against zone. I'm counting the days down until Dawson is gone but there are a lot of yards that Beck is leaving on the field.​

Dude is an idiot.

Yes Brockermeyer is our worst lineman but he's actually well suited for Indiana's smaller front which relies on movement as he does a good job moving to pick up stunts and blitzes. He takes plays where Brockermeyer is being asked to reach block a playside 2 tech with very little help from the Guard and says "Look at him get pushed back". Yeah of course he got pushed back. He's moving a gap and a half to his right to take on a play side defender (really good player also). 99% of Centers will give some ground. He doesn't mention that the DT fails to make the play, the run goes for 10 yards without the RB needing to break a tackle, and the Guard who virtually went 2nd level immediately murdered A&M's Mike LB'er.

I honestly think he's just an IU nut hugger and/or Cane hater but.........he has no clue how to evaluate offensive line performance within the context of the play. He sees a guy going backwards and says "he sucks" without any consideration of the difficulty of the block or what the player needs to do to make the play work.

 

[90scane]

1. It's only 3 yards from the neutral zone (either direction) so most of these plays are outside the FBZ anyways.
2. It only exists while the ball is in the FBZ

The free blocking zone is about initial contact. Cut blocking, notice it still has to be done from the front, or blocking a defender who gives you their back with their initial move. It doesn't allow you to smash into an offensive lineman from behind who in a pass set. If it did why wouldn't an Olineman be allowed to hit a defender from behind who's pursuing the QB?

I can’t recall the last time i saw a flag on a block in the back on an OL or DL within/near the fbz. Indiana defenders may hit an OL in the back but they are being blocked into the OL AND are attempting to get to the QB in most cases. Thus, it is a tough call. They are basically trying to split the two OL in most cases.

 

[BRockCane98]

This is the guy who's predicting Indiana to blow us out.​

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1. Brock is the weak link of the OL which we already knew.​

2. Beck is terrible against zone. I'm counting the days down until Dawson is gone but man there are a lot of yards that Beck is leaving on the field.​

What he did with Beck is something you can do with any QB. Some of it's just downright dumb saying that Beck should have thrown to windows that barely exist rather than throw a check down that keeps the team on schedule. If Beck played QB like that clown wants him to our receivers would all be dead by mid season. Asking for hospital ball after hospital ball.

Go watch the final drive of the Ole Miss game. Beck makes two excellent throws against zone, one was C4 and the other I'm not sure, but somehow those clips didn't make it into his "film study".

He also talks about these plays without considering the context of down and distance. It's literally never mentioned in the entire video. Remember the 3rd and 11 vs Ohio State where Beck ran, lowered his shoulder, and picked up the 1st? Yeah that idiot wanted him to throw a drag route, maybe 3-4 yards past the LOS, that if Beck throws would have 100% resulted in us punting the next play. Instead Beck "panicked and ran". Or maybe he understood the situation and knew that shallow drag doesn't help anything and that the best chance of getting the 1st involved him taking off and lowering his shoulder?

The mind has to revolt at the idea that a guy who isn't especially mobile, ie can't really extend plays at least not consistently, has been able to throw for 11,493 yards, 69.7% completions, and 87 TD's to 31 INT's against elite competition without being able to read zone defenses. It's an absurd video.

 

[BRockCane98]

I can’t recall the last time i saw a flag on a block in the back on an OL or DL within/near the fbz. Indiana defenders may hit an OL in the back but they are being blocked into the OL AND are attempting to get to the QB in most cases. Thus, it is a tough call. They are basically trying to split the two OL in most cases.

That isn't what's happening!

I posted a time stamped clip. It requires you watch for like 10 seconds. They aren't trying to split anything. One defender is hitting an offensive lineman in the back, sometimes it's on the side and borderline but the lineman definitely can't see the hit coming, to free up another defender.

I'm not saying every line stunt they do is like this. Someone posted an example of a 4i slanting into the Center at the snap and the 0 tech looping outside of the now pinned Center and I agreed that's 100% legal. You can't just run into the back of a pass setting Tackle or Guard. The rule as written protects all players from that unless another player is pursuing the ball or ball carrier.

 

[90scane]

That isn't what's happening!

I posted a time stamped clip. It requires you watch for like 10 seconds. They aren't trying to split anything. One defender is hitting an offensive lineman in the back, sometimes it's on the side and borderline but the lineman definitely can't see the hit coming, to free up another defender.

I'm not saying every line stunt they do is like this. Someone posted an example of a 4i slanting into the Center at the snap and the 0 tech looping outside of the now pinned Center and I agreed that's 100% legal. You can't just run into the back of a pass setting Tackle or Guard. The rule as written protects all players from that unless another player is pursuing the ball or ball carrier.

Dude you need to ask yourself what a block in the back is vs side looks like. 4 hit the RT in the side not back.

 

[Calinative]

This is the guy who's predicting Indiana to blow us out.​

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1. Brock is the weak link of the OL which we already knew.​

2. Beck is terrible against zone. I'm counting the days down until Dawson is gone but man there are a lot of yards that Beck is leaving on the field.​

Brock is the weak link in the run game against bug strong DTs in pure 1v1s. But I wouldn't exactly think he's gonna be the weak link in this game.

Beck is bad at throwing against Zone? Eh, idk. I think imhed just bad at throwing under pressure. Whether it's man or zone he can pick you apart if he's clean. Man is obviously less confusing and just requires WRs to win and more accurate passing than zone. Idk if they came out in pure zone all day, I think we have a lot of our short quick pass game open. But if they're in zone and not getting pressure I really wouldn't be worried.

 

[BRockCane98]

Dude you need to ask yourself what a block in the back is vs side looks like. 4 hit the RT in the side not back.

It does not have to be squarely in the back to be illegal. He hit him in the lat with his left shoulder on the linemans left side. The Tackle 1000% could not see that coming and that is what the rule is designed to protect players from.

 

[itsacanething]

good news is we almost always have a running back in pass pro. hopefully our line picks up these stunts.

 

[BRockCane98]

Brock is the weak link in the run game against bug strong DTs in pure 1v1s. But I wouldn't exactly think he's gonna be the weak link in this game.

Beck is bad at throwing against Zone? Eh, idk. I think imhed just bad at throwing under pressure. Whether it's man or zone he can pick you apart if he's clean. Man is obviously less confusing and just requires WRs to win and more accurate passing than zone. Idk if they came out in pure zone all day, I think we have a lot of our short quick pass game open. But if they're in zone and not getting pressure I really wouldn't be worried.

Beck tries to avoid throwing hospital balls into tight windows. Whether the fool who made that video knows it or not that's his real criticism of him.

He's processed zones and found the open man hundreds of times in his career. The idiot that made that video just picked specific plays, while ignoring the context of D&D or game situation (completely discredits the entire analysis), where Beck either didn't process well or chose a safer option rather than attempting to rifle a dig between a CB and LB'er or a seam in front of a safety where even if you complete the pass your receiver is gonna get absolutely destroyed. You can make any QB look bad by doing a video like that where they either processed poorly or just didn't throw the ball that maximized potential yardage. The dude is so dishonest that despite maybe 20% of the plays he showed coming from the A&M game he never mentioned that the game was played in a cyclone.

On one of the few plays he praised Beck for processing zone well he got the ball out on an in cut and while it was a great throw it was dropped/broken up because the receiver got absolutely lit up by a LB/er in a hook/curl zone.

 

[JHallCanes]

Block in the back! You can't hit a player from behind be they on offense or defense. It's a 15 yard penalty but again.......referees are a lazy and stupid sub species so I'm not surprised they don't call it. Tangwall's videos are fantastic I just wish he'd point out that this tactic, a staple of Indiana's defense, is a flagrant penalty and it should be called.

*Unless they have the ball of course.

Appreciate the posting you’re doing here

Instead of wanting him to point it out why don’t you make some videos and point it out?

 

[BRockCane98]

Brock is the weak link in the run game against bug strong DTs in pure 1v1s. But I wouldn't exactly think he's gonna be the weak link in this game.

Beck is bad at throwing against Zone? Eh, idk. I think imhed just bad at throwing under pressure. Whether it's man or zone he can pick you apart if he's clean. Man is obviously less confusing and just requires WRs to win and more accurate passing than zone. Idk if they came out in pure zone all day, I think we have a lot of our short quick pass game open. But if they're in zone and not getting pressure I really wouldn't be worried.

Indiana will be in zone all day. They are 98% zone. That's why he made the video.

 

[90scane]

It does not have to be squarely in the back to be illegal. He hit him in the lat with his left shoulder on the linemans left side. The Tackle 1000% could not see that coming and that is what the rule is designed to protect players from.

It is not a block in the back. He hit him from the side. It doesn’t matter if the OT saw it coming or not. They aren’t going to call a blind side hit on a stunt and the sure as heck are calling a hit in the side of a OL by a DL/LB a block in the back.

These cats do far worse. Likely the tackling of Jackson (OSU).

 

[BRockCane98]

It is not a block in the back. He hit him from the side. It doesn’t matter if the OT saw it coming or not. They aren’t going to call a blind side hit on a stunt and the sure as heck are calling a hit in the side of a OL by a DL/LB a block in the back.

These cats do far worse. Likely the tackling of Jackson (OSU).

That's not how the rule reads.

I agree it won't get called I'm saying that it should. It's a bush league tactic used by teams that can't actually legitimately win one on one matchups.

Yes their holding is really bad. One of the few things I'm worried about is the referees letting their Oline get away with bloody murder when it comes to holding/tackling our Dline.