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Lamar Miller.

miller is a good back richardson is just not very explosive he has very few runs over 10 or 15 yards in his nfl career, in the league you need to pick up chunk yards to be elite he was overrated and lucky to have been drafted as high as he was.
 
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Lamar Miller was a stud here and you guys started crying when he left early calling him soft and a future bust.

He is an elite talent.
 
Marcelo2988 said:
Lamar Miller was a stud here and you guys started crying when he left early calling him soft and a future bust.

He is an elite talent.
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I think all the criticisms of Miller in this thread are fair - he doesn't break tackles, he doesn't have great feet and he is very injury prone. However, he does have elite speed and good enough feet to succeed.

He's in my fantasy team too and he's keeping me afloat.
 
Arehel said:
Said this before, the feet of a rb are the most important.
Miller sometimes hesitates in the hole, I lose my mind everytime I see it.
When I coach I tell my Rbs, especially in zone schemes, make one decision and stick with it, I don't care if it's right or wrong but plant that foot run downhill and go don't hesitate! After 5 yards then I don't give a **** what you do.
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You coach?
 
Last night ESPN Classics ran the 2011 UM Vs. VT game, and Lamar was at his Best.. 18 carries for 166 yds, plus Jedd Fisch put the trick play in where Miller caught a TD pass from Travis Benjamin... Up until this year Miller wasn't used correctly, but Lazor seems to know how to make the most of Miller's talent & speed.. If anyone gets a chance I highly recommend watching this game, Miller & James tore it up...
 
Agreed. Tebow was a categorical disaster. Denver needed miracles from the defense and special teams to win in SPITE of Tebow, rather than BECAUSE of Tebow.

I know it is hard to analyze what Denver did AFTER Tebow left, because Denver went out and got arguably the greatest quarterback that we will ever see in our lifetime, but the fact that NO TEAM is willing to have him on the roster speaks volumes. And this includes teams such as Tennessee who went with Charlie Whitehurst and the Jets who trot out Geno Smith lol.


Morey161 said:
DMoney said:
Saltycane said:
You also said tebow would be a good pro QB
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He never got the chance to prove me wrong. The one season he started, he made a movie.

But that's a different discussion.
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He did get a chance. He proved he wasn't good. Get over it.
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Morey161 said:
DMoney said:
Saltycane said:
You also said tebow would be a good pro QB
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He never got the chance to prove me wrong. The one season he started, he made a movie.

But that's a different discussion.
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He did get a chance. He proved he wasn't good. Get over it.
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He got one chance. He took a team that was 1-4 to the playoffs. He never started again. His last start was in the second round, a week after lighting up the #1 defense in the league. A lot of quarterbacks would love to fail like that.

Tebow's career was lost in practice. Judging Tim Tebow as a player in a non-contact setting is like judging Jenna Jameson as an actress in a non-contact setting. It's absurd.

There is no football reason why career losers like Blaine Gabbert have jobs and Tebow doesn't.
 
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DMoney said:
Morey161 said:
DMoney said:
Saltycane said:
You also said tebow would be a good pro QB
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He never got the chance to prove me wrong. The one season he started, he made a movie.

But that's a different discussion.
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He did get a chance. He proved he wasn't good. Get over it.
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He got one chance. He took a team that was 1-4 to the playoffs. He never started again. His last start was in the second round, a week after lighting up the #1 defense in the league. A lot of quarterbacks would love to fail like that.

Tebow's career was lost in practice. Judging Tim Tebow as a player in a non-contact setting is like judging Jenna Jameson as an actress in a non-contact setting. It's absurd.

There is no football reason why career losers like Blaine Gabbert have jobs and Tebow doesn't.
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Pride argument, D$. He was one of the worst NFL QB's of all time..the history type of time. A Billion dollar entity (NFL) couldn't even elevate and disguise how poor of a QB he was, and if it was even remotely possible, it would have been so.

It wasn't because Tebow didn't want to be a NFL QB, it was because he couldn't be. You can't just close your eyes and wish it...it's over, he's over and it was never in doubt.
 
Marcelo2988 said:
Lamar Miller was a stud here and you guys started crying when he left early calling him soft and a future bust.

He is an elite talent.
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First off, I like Lamar Miller. Pretty good player but if he is elite then why was Moreno the lead back when healthy
 
canedoit,
Just stating facts. The record books will show he was 9-7 as a starter for his career. People will look at the raw numbers and say, "One of the most productive players ever got to the NFL, won, and never played again? What happened?"

The media circus was his demise. Two questions. First, what was Tebow's worst season (HS, college, pro) as a starting quarterback? Second, give me one football reason why Gabbert has a job as Kaepernick's backup and Tebow does not.
 
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DMoney said:
canedoit,
Just stating facts. The record books will show he was 9-7 as a starter for his career. People will look at the raw numbers and say, "One of the most productive players ever got to the NFL, won, and never played again? What happened?"

The media circus was his demise. Two questions. First, what was Tebow's worst season (HS, college, pro) as a starting quarterback? Second, give me one football reason why Gabbert has a job as Kaepernick's backup and Tebow does not.
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With all respect. He was a horrible QB with zero NFL future at that position, That's a fact. The media invented and prolonged his participation in the league, that's a fact.

The negative media attention was due to how poor of a QB he was, nothing more. It wasn't delusion or pride....it was because it was also a fact. He's only an NFL QB if you close your eyes and dream it.
 
DMoney said:
canedoit,
Just stating facts. The record books will show he was 9-7 as a starter for his career. People will look at the raw numbers and say, "One of the most productive players ever got to the NFL, won, and never played again? What happened?"

The media circus was his demise. Two questions. First, what was Tebow's worst season (HS, college, pro) as a starting quarterback? Second, give me one football reason why Gabbert has a job as Kaepernick's backup and Tebow does not.
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No. The record books will show abysmal numbers, all time poor metrics and at best a mediocre record.

When you look at what an ostensibly diminished Manning did with the same talent it's even more glaring. Manning is writing the record books there and he is fifty percent of what he was when Tebow entered the league.

Tebow was not so much as marginal as a QB.
 
callmetrip said:
No. The record books will show abysmal numbers, all time poor metrics and at best a mediocre record.

When you look at what an ostensibly diminished Manning did with the same talent it's even more glaring. Manning is writing the record books there and he is fifty percent of what he was when Tebow entered the league.

Tebow was not so much as marginal as a QB.
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Why are you comparing Tebow to Manning, an all-time great? And even with a Mount Rushmore QB, the Broncos still didn't get any further in 2012 than they did in 2011 with Tebow.

The real comparison should be Kyle Orton, who went 4-14 with the team that Tebow took to the second round. That mediocre loser still has a starting job. People get hung up on passing stats and ignore that Denver was by far the best rushing team in the league and that Tebow had one of the best fourth quarter QB ratings in the league. That's why they won.

They had luck, like every other team, but they capitalized on that luck. We forget the breaks that crappy QBs get because they don't do anything with them.
 
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