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Mico Jones said:
Im not a fan of full on air raid.

Ive never seen an Air Raid team win it all.

When you play faster defenses the field shrinks.

I like a scheme thats spread with a power running element.
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Thats why I prefer Oklahoma/old baylor(K Briles) type offense compared to
 
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Mico Jones said:
Lol. Yeah I remember that "shootout" .

You think that team wins if they played the team that actually belonged in that game...Miami?
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Probably not. Although I'm not sure what your point is? You said no pure Air Raid has ever won it. And that's wrong. That Sooners team was a pure Air Raid. Playing with offensive players that were either JUCO or converted DBs because OU was running a variation of the wishbone two years before, so literally didn't have enough WRs on the roster to run the Air Raid.
 
mossmadness said:
Would it matter? He doesn't lose the buyout by becoming an OC unless he has the worst agent ever. TT owes him what they owe him.
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I’m saying if he’s getting paid still he might just take a year off and wait for another solid HC job. Or for st . Nick to offer him a “offensive quality control position” lol. Point is he probably not in a rush to take a demotion
 
mossmadness said:
Probably not. Although I'm not sure what your point is? You said no pure Air Raid has ever won it. And that's wrong. That Sooners team was a pure Air Raid. Playing with offensive players that were either JUCO or converted DBs because OU was running a variation of the wishbone two years before, so literally didn't have enough WRs on the roster to run the Air Raid.
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My point is thats an outlier.

FSU had no business being in that game.

OUs defense was its driving force and that Air Raid offense only scored 13 points.

By the way, that was 18 long years ago.
 
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You don't have to go full air raid you meet somewhere in the middle and create something
 
Mico Jones said:
My point is thats sn outlier.

FSU had no business being in that game.

OUs defense was its driving force and that Air Raid offense only scored 13 points.

By the way, that was 18 long years ago.
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Yeah, that FSU defense was really, really good.
The Air Raid took Kansas further than its ever gone.
It took Texas Tech further than its ever gone.

What teams run the Air Raid that should be winning the NC but aren't? Maybe the fact that every major team isn't running the Air Raid, says something about the Air Raid. But one would have to acknowledge that there is a selection bias when looking at the teams that have run it. Most aren't winning the NC because they shouldn't be winning the NC, regardless of what system they run.
 
CFLCane said:
I know what a formula is and i know when it's wrong. It's wrong. It's clearly failing to extrapolate data on TTechs offense vs the rest of CFB world. They haven't played an SEC or ACC team since 2015. It's full of FCS, and low grade pac 12 teams. It's very simple to look at. Ask yourself who's data are they using to rank them vs the rest of CFB? The only teams in the b12 who are playing games against real teams out of conference are OU, OK State, and WVU. They're taking data from those teams and applying it across the b12. That's a failure.
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None of that matters. What matters is, does his offense **** on Rorcht's? Yes. Will his offense work even better with the athletes Miami has and gets? Yes. Does his offense work even better with a championship caliber defense like Miami's? Yes.
 
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Both Kingsbury & OC Kevin Johns need a call.

We need an OC, a QB's Coach & at least 2 more analysts up in the booth to assist with the Offense.

And anybody talking that "we can't afford it" sh*t needs to find a cliff & jump. We can hire some analysts for this team & the BOT is willing to back up the brinks for a legit OC. Despite what some of yall think Miami is not strapped for cash.

I'm not even saying it has to be Kinsgbury, but we NEED to hire somebody & if Brown or Dugans feel some type of way about it, they should follow the same advice they lecture the players with, suck it up & deal with it.
 
He’d be a good fit for Les Miles. Kansas is gonna need to score to be competitive in that league.

But I bet he goes to LSU. He and Aranda would be a nice duo.
 
Caneillac said:
Never seen a bunch of grown men crave attention so much in my life. SMH, why not just put “IF” in the thread title.
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mossmadness said:
Yeah, that FSU defense was really, really good.
The Air Raid took Kansas further than its ever gone.
It took Texas Tech further than its ever gone.

What teams run the Air Raid that should be winning the NC but aren't? Maybe the fact that every major team isn't running the Air Raid, says something about the Air Raid. But one would have to acknowledge that there is a selection bias when looking at the teams that have run it. Most aren't winning the NC because they shouldn't be winning the NC, regardless of what system they run.
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Air raid isnt winning ships beca
mossmadness said:
Yeah, that FSU defense was really, really good.
The Air Raid took Kansas further than its ever gone.
It took Texas Tech further than its ever gone.

What teams run the Air Raid that should be winning the NC but aren't? Maybe the fact that every major team isn't running the Air Raid, says something about the Air Raid. But one would have to acknowledge that there is a selection bias when looking at the teams that have run it. Most aren't winning the NC because they shouldn't be winning the NC, regardless of what system they run.
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Or maybe the offense is just too one dimensional to be championship caliber?
 
mossmadness said:
2000 OU was a full on Air Raid team.
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Eh, thats three incarnations of college football ago. Its like saying Richt's offense won a national championship. Yeah, it did...but its not really relevant here. I get what you're saying...and in response to this guys post, but the air raid not winning it all in 20 years is worthy of note.

Air Raid for lower end schools becomes a gimmick to mask talent deficiencies...not too dissimilar to how the option is used. For the Air Raid, because of the lack of talent - a lot of teams like Washington State or TTech fail to establish the run. The run is an aspect of college football thats pretty much mandatory for success in this era of the game. Its why these teams - or even today's incarnation of Oklahoma if you extend the argument - struggle when they play teams with superior line talent and defensive backs that can tackle. That stop the YAC opportunities the Air Raid requires to succeed dead in their tracks.

This is less important in the NFL where they have super human QBs running the system and a completely different discussion, but I digress.

As for Miami...Miami would put up a billion points and break passing records running this offense, but I feel like Miami would see the same result...the minute the played teams like Bama, current Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State...their lack of run game would be exposed and they wouldn't pick up the cheap YAC yards the offense needs to be successful.
 
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CFLCane said:
I know what a formula is and i know when it's wrong. It's wrong. It's clearly failing to extrapolate data on TTechs offense vs the rest of CFB world. They haven't played an SEC or ACC team since 2015. It's full of FCS, and low grade pac 12 teams. It's very simple to look at. Ask yourself who's data are they using to rank them vs the rest of CFB? The only teams in the b12 who are playing games against real teams out of conference are OU, OK State, and WVU. They're taking data from those teams and applying it across the b12. That's a failure.
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I am in the middle here and while I think the model is objective I think it probably lacks enough data points to produce a very high confidence interval. What does this mean? I means that TT probably has between a top 13 and top 25 offense. I know data can be used from previous years to produce more data points but just not sure how much confidence you can put in this data either. Either way a top 25 offense with TT talent is pretty good.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Eh, thats three incarnations of college football ago. Its like saying Richt's offense won a national championship. Yeah, it did...but its not really relevant here. I get what you're saying...and in response to this guys post, but the air raid not winning it all in 20 years is worthy of note.

Air Raid for lower end schools becomes a gimmick to mask talent deficiencies...not too dissimilar to how the option is used. For the Air Raid, because of the lack of talent - a lot of teams like Washington State or TTech fail to establish the run. The run is an aspect of college football thats pretty much mandatory for success in this era of the game. Its why these teams - or even today's incarnation of Oklahoma if you extend the argument - struggle when they play teams with superior line talent and defensive backs that can tackle. That stop the YAC opportunities the Air Raid requires to succeed dead in their tracks.

This is less important in the NFL where they have super human QBs running the system and a completely different discussion, but I digress.

As for Miami...Miami would put up a billion points and break passing records running this offense, but I feel like Miami would see the same result...the minute the played teams like Bama, current Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State...their lack of run game would be exposed and they wouldn't pick up the cheap YAC yards the offense needs to be successful.
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I don’t think we want a pure Air Raid offense. The goal is to run something similar to Oklahoma (Air Raid + Power/Zone Runs).
 
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