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Kevin Durant is responsible for the University of Miami's football recruiting woes?

Who doesn't want to be associated with/as a winner? Losers, thats who.

Dont be a loser.
 
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dukemv said:
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WOW didn't know that one was out ....but thanks for the recommendation..

Never met anyone with a whole, up to date, "for Dummies" collection.

Bless your heart. You must be really really special.
 
MainLineCane said:
Actually the fact is that Curt Flood CF for the St. Louis Cardinals was the first professional player to fight to become a Free Agent when he refused to be traded to the Philadelphia Phillies.

Curt Flood unsuccessfully challenged the reserve clause in court in 1970, but Marvin Miller helped overturn it five years later in the Seitz decision in 1975. Removing the reserve clause from player contracts became the primary goal of negotiations between the Major League Baseball Players Association and the owners.

In 1975, pitchers Dave McNally and Andy Messersmith played without contracts. The following winter, Seitz declared them to be free agents, effectively ending the reserve clause and bringing about the first free agent player draft on Nov 4, 1976.
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Free agency was much more about money and contract leverage for players against ownership than it was about players just wanting to go play for the Yankees to get rings. The atmosphere surrounding sports is so much different in 2019 then it was in 1970. I suppose you can trace the current culture all the way back to that point, but it clearly was not on overnight change from Flood to Lebron or KD.

There also is a difference between a player traditionally wanting to go to a better situation (whether that is for a better chance to win, get away from a poor organization in general, etc) and the total lack of loyalty and pride many athletes today seem to shamelessly show. Plus it's no secret that many kids and milennials have an entitlement problem. That is what I think Manny was referring to.

IMO there is certainly less loyalty with professional athletes and their teams, and players, college or pro, seem to have less of a desire to work and build to the level of being champions and would rather just go into the perfect situation. (And fyi I'm not saying athletes today don't have individual work ethic, just that many are less inclined to work with a team and go through the ups and downs that come with that) I think that is evident by looking at a KD situation or by how many freshman college players are looking to transfer so quickly just bc they didn't immediately become a star the second they walk on campus.

I'm not necessarily blaming them, especially the college athletes, maybe more so the pros, but I can definitely see how it creates a new and different challenge when trying to BUILD a winning team these days.
 
PokemonFisherman said:
Look I wish lebron would shut up outside out of basketball but you can’t compare lebrons move to Durant’s

Durant joined a team that he was
- 73 and 9
- a team he was up 3-1 on
- a team with already 3 all stars and one mvp
- Durant openly uses burner accounts

Lebron
-joins a .500 team that finished in the middle of the pack in a relatively weak east team.

My point is don’t blame lebron, Kevin Durant is a mental midget compared to lebron
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This.

There is no comparison.

One went to a team with a chance of being great with FAs, Durant went to a team that was already a championship team.
 
classiccane12 said:
Free agency was much more about money and contract leverage for players against ownership than it was about players just wanting to go play for the Yankees to get rings. The atmosphere surrounding sports is so much different in 2019 then it was in 1970. I suppose you can trace the current culture all the way back to that point, but it clearly was not on overnight change from Flood to Lebron or KD.

There also is a difference between a player traditionally wanting to go to a better situation (whether that is for a better chance to win, get away from a poor organization in general, etc) and the total lack of loyalty and pride many athletes today seem to shamelessly show. Plus it's no secret that many kids and milennials have an entitlement problem. That is what I think Manny was referring to.

IMO there is certainly less loyalty with professional athletes and their teams, and players, college or pro, seem to have less of a desire to work and build to the level of being champions and would rather just go into the perfect situation. (And fyi I'm not saying athletes today don't have individual work ethic, just that they are less inclined to work with a team and go through the ups and downs that come with that) I think that is evident by looking at a KD situation or by how many freshman college players are looking to transfer so quickly just bc they didn't immediately become a star the second they walk on campus.

I'm not necessarily blaming them, especially the college athletes, maybe more so the pros, but I can definitely see how it creates a new and different challenge when trying to BUILD a winning team these days.
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Loyalty works both ways. Long term Pro players are cut by teams at the drop of a hat for salary or injury reasons

Fact is, Teams have never been loyal to players. So why should players be any different and not consider what is best for them?

Both sides ( Teams and players) now accept the fact that it's all about making $$$.

It's the fans that are playing catch up. Today's game ain't what it used to be...for better or worst
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
This.

There is no comparison.

One went to a team with a chance of being great with FAs, Durant went to a team that was already a championship team.
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Also I pointed out since lebrons decision there’s been other players trying to emulate “big 3s” and have failed miserably

Off the top my head
Lakers - steve Nash, Dwight Howard and Kobe
Clippers - Blake griffin, Chris paul and Jordan
Nets- Kevin Garnett, paul pierce and deron Williams
Knicks - Carmelo and amare stoudmaire (I know it’s not a big 3 but still augmented with good players)
 
Typical! Coach Diaz makes an off handed comment and the HERD pounces to start ridiculing the man.

The single biggest problem UM has in regards to recruiting is a ill-informed HERD that has been demeaning the program on a daily basis for almost 15 years. Only the Federal Government could survive that daily onslaught, and look at that mess and the hate and division.

If you respond that recruiting is also suffering due to the lack of winning then you would be right. But, employing the cringe worthy comment, that's putting the cart before the horse. Stop the daily hate fest and begin to speak of the positives and the history of the program and you are now building the field...and the recruits shall come!

Again, fix the minute-to-minute degradation of the program and there will be immediate dividends paid to recruiting.
 
Earnest T. Bass said:
Typical! Coach Diaz makes an off handed comment and the HERD pounces to start ridiculing the man.

The single biggest problem UM has in regards to recruiting is a ill-informed HERD that has been demeaning the program on a daily basis for almost 15 years. Only the Federal Government could survive that daily onslaught, and look at that mess and the hate and division.

If you respond that recruiting is also suffering due to the lack of winning then you would be right. But, employing the cringe worthy comment, that's putting the cart before the horse. Stop the daily hate fest and begin to speak of the positives and the history of the program and you are now building the field...and the recruits shall come!

Again, fix the minute-to-minute degradation of the program and there will be immediate dividends paid to recruiting.
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Earnest as a long time Cane reading that brought tears to my eyes....

..but I must admit that its probably because I just finished cutting onions for dinner and forgot to wash my hands.
 
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I think what Manny was trying to relay here is that kids are no longer joining the "underdog" programs anymore.

There used to be a time when the underdog role was embraced (for example look at both The U 30 for 30's), but now kids want to have every advantage to win possible.

Of course kids want to win, but they don't want to be "challenged" to win.

A top flight kid these days wants to have a decisive advantage and would play on the same team with all 5 stars if he could.
 
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PokemonFisherman said:
Look I wish lebron would shut up outside out of basketball but you can’t compare lebrons move to Durant’s

Durant joined a team that he was
- 73 and 9
- a team he was up 3-1 on
- a team with already 3 all stars and one mvp
- Durant openly uses burner accounts

Lebron
-joins a .500 team that finished in the middle of the pack in a relatively weak east team.

My point is don’t blame lebron, Kevin Durant is a mental midget compared to lebron
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I don’t think this is the board for this but that’s the fals assessment about Lebron’s moves. The Heat wasn’t the same team that lost in the 1st round because they added Bosh and had Dwade (top 3 player at the time). He move was very much the same because it offered him the best outcome to win. Play with a top 3 in Wade and another star in Bosh or go back to Cleveland? Who was the favorites to win it all 3 young superstars, 2 of the top 3 players or an old Spurs, an old Mavs, an old Celtics or an old Lakers?

Even if the 4 teams I named could bring in LBJ only, the Heat still offered a more favorable chance of winning it all. He just so happen to only win 2 rings out of 4.

That being said, outside of the MJ obsession I love it when he gives his candid opinion about everything. Plus Manny is tripping. Just get the players and win Manny. There’s always a good player available.
 
Ayeplus said:
I think what Manny was trying to relay here is that kids are no longer joining the "underdog" programs anymore.

There used to be a time where the underdog role was embraced (for example look at both The U 30 for 30's), but now kids want to have every advantage to win possible.

Of course kids want to win, but they don't want to be "challenged" to win.

A top flight kid these days wants to have a decisive advantage and would play on the same team with all 5 stars if he could.
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Naw that was never the case kids always signed with the winner if they had an option. After Howard, we pulled in kids when we started dominating. The thing is that we started to find the gems who were just good ball players. Maybe it’s the evaluation of prospects now. Let’s stop it with the “underdog” notion. We can’t expect good talent if we don’t win. Wow are we expecting players to blindly commit to our team without us proving anything?
 
MainLineCane said:
Earnest as a long time Cane reading that brought tears to my eyes....

..but I must admit that its probably because I just finished cutting onions for dinner and forgot to wash my hands.
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And what have we learned? Always wash your hands. Be happy! Speak happy! Post happy! Go Canes!
 
lauderdaleballer said:
Naw that was never the case kids always signed with the winner if they had an option. After Howard, we pulled in kids when we started dominating. The thing is that we started to find the gems who were just good ball players. Maybe it’s the evaluation of prospects now. Let’s stop it with the “underdog” notion. We can’t expect good talent if we don’t win. Wow are we expecting players to blindly commit to our team without us proving anything?
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Bro, think about it.

Miami ended up with the #2 ranked defense in the country this past season and STILL whiffed on some top defensive prospects locally.

Bogle (reportedly grey shirting just to play for Bama to further my point), Stevenson, Battle etc. would all ball here, but they want full certainty that they will be in the playoffs during their careers. Some kids are of the pedigree that they want to be apart of the takeover (Nesta Silvera), while others want to be apart of the "been took-over" programs.

So Manny Diaz has a point if you think more deeper about what he said.

Kevin Durant could not stomach not winning a ring anymore and left his already talented team to join a team he felt he couldn't beat.

Again, the sentiment here is that kids these days want to win, but don't necessarily want to be challenged. i.e. Kevin Durant
 
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Ayeplus said:
Bro, think about it.

Miami ended up with the #2 ranked defense in the country this past season and STILL whiffed on some top defensive prospects locally.

Bogle (reportedly grey shirting just to play for Bama to further my point), Stevenson, Battle etc. would all ball here, but they want full certainty that they will be in the playoffs during their careers. Some kids are of the pedigree that they want to be apart of the takeover (Nesta Silvera), while others want to be apart of the "been took-over" programs.

So Manny Diaz has a point if you think more deeper about what he said.

Kevin Durant could not stomach not winning a ring anymore and left his already talented team to join a team he felt he couldn't beat.

Again, the sentiment here is that kids these days want to win, but don't necessarily want to be challenged. i.e. Kevin Durant
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What good is the #2 ranked defense with 6 losses? What good is it if Wisky Running Back run for nearly 300 yards? We can’t cherry pick numbers then blame the kids. Has nothing to do with Durant. I mean it is recruiting. You have to persuade the kid to come. We can’t get upset and say, “Man these kids are soft. All they care about is winning!” That’s always been the case if you compete. I mean we don’t recruit under achieving players, it only makes sense if a kid doesn’t commit to an underachieving team.

I’m sorry but I’m getting annoyed by all of these excuses. Players getting paid, players only want to play for winners, etc. What happened to our program. We are becoming an entitled fan base. Since when has Miami sat around and moped because things weren’t going their way? We need to win.
 
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