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rayray said:
Briles offenses are notoriously horrible at preparing their players for the NFL, and we have a reputation to uphold there. they also barely use TEs which doesn't match with our roster or the way we should be recruiting.

personally i just don't love watching the Briles style of offense. it's effective but numbing. aesthetically speaking I'd rather watch Brady. but I'm sure he'd be effective here and it is a good fit for TVD.

i do give Kendall credit for feeding Treylon Burks this year, he has as many catches (66) as their next 4 receivers combined. good college teams find their NFL players and give them as much as they can handle.

selfishly I hope we go in a different direction though.
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I agree with this, briles is good but if we hire him I hope we keep likens or get a pass game coordinator to pair with him. I’ve been watching games of his offense at Arkansas and the route concepts/play designs are meh.

His best attribute is probably his sequencing which is important but the play calls are redundant everybody mentions the bama game but I don’t think that makes a great case for him like most think, the lsu and Georgia game were just horrendous. Maybe the offense is catered to that qb but I’m just not sold from what I’ve seen so far

To the point of his offense not helping players transition to the nfl, I can see why. There’s not anything pushing the players (especially QB) to get better mentally. Compared to Brady who’s concepts are what the nfl is transitioning to. For jake and tvd they can be successful but I fear vs good competition it wont look good with briles
 
We could do worse. I’d certainly prefer a run and shoot guy like Briles to a power spread, run your quarterback into the ground guy like Joe Moorehead who was in Oregon with Mario.
 
Educate this......
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Ecush said:
We finally have enough money to pay for all of the athletic tape he uses to tape his fingers on game day.


I think his offensive spacing is revolutionary and he simply didn’t have the horses or control at FSU to implement it.
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Just like T Rob didn't have the control to fully implement his tactics for our DBs. I predict our secondary will be markedly improved absent Manny's scheme.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
This may very well be moot since there's heavy smoke that Joe Brady will be hired as the OC, but I just want to educate some folks on here cause I've seen some REALLY poor takes RE: Briles over the past couple days. And there were at least some mentions of mutual interest between Mario and Kendal, so potentially if the Brady stuff is untrue or falls through, i REALLY hope we jump all over Briles. Again, I'm not saying he'd come or that Mario would have him, but there is an active thread that supposedly someone is reporting that there is mutual interest. And I want you guys to understand that, if the starts align somehow, this guy would be a MONSTER hire for us.

First of all, if you're just going to point to his performance with FSU, namely against us in 2019, as your only evidence that he sucks, please just hit "back" on your browser now and find another thread. But we'll get there in a minute.

First of all, his resume:

We all know he's Art's son, and we all know some shady **** went down at Baylor. That's irrelevant at this point, he's been vetted by multiple schools and I'm not going to be the moral police here. It was multiple years ago.. But Art is a ******* genius at calling offensive football, and Kendal is certainly a chip off the old block.

He played at Houston until 2005, and joined his daddy's staff in 2008. He worked at Baylor for 9 years, watching Art blow the doors off college football for years before he was promoted to the OC in 2015.

What did Baylor do in 2015? Oh, not much, they just led the entire county in PPG against FBS competition at 46.6 PPG, went 10-3, and won the Citrus Bowl.

In 2016, the **** hit the fan with the sexual assault scandal, Art was fired in the spring, and they brought in Jim Grobe to be the HC. The team floundered, they went 7-6, they were still a Top 30 offense but it wasn't the prolific ****-fest that we were used to in years past.

2017 comes, Baylor is obviously nuked, and Briles leaves to go to FAU to work with Lane. So here is where his sample size really begins to take shape, because I know people are going to say the Baylor stuff was just because of his dad and Art was the maestro there. In 2017, FAU starts slow, but ends the season 7th in the country in scoring offense (40.2 PPG) and 9th in the country in YPP. They win a conference championship, and a Bowl Game.

2018 rolls around, Briles is lured away from Boca and ends up at his Alma Mater, Houston, working under Major Applewhite. In his first and only season in Houston, they finish 7th in the country in scoring offense (41.8 PPG), and 12th in the country in YPP. Unfortunately, our boy Mark Onofrio is the DC there, and they only finish the year 7-6. Side note, they were 92nd in the country in YPP allowed under Onofrio. El oh el.

2019, Willie comes calling at FSU, so Kendal packs his bags to Tallahassee. Here is where we become most familiar with him, of course, and where this perceived bad reputation somehow stems from. In 2019, FSU was terrible, and Taggart was fired midway through the season. The offense was not great, but when you compare it to where it was the year before, in 2018, Briles actually improved it rather considerably. Mind you, it's widely believed that FSU had the literal worst offensive line in the entire P5, and one of probably the 5-10 worst in all of FBS. He inherited James Blackman and Alex Hornibrook. It's been widely reported that Taggart meddled in the offense constantly, since he knew he was on the hot seat rather quickly. And here is still what Briles did:

107 to 70 in YPP
112 to 74 in scoring offense
128 to 105 in YPC
127 to 93 in Rushing yards per game
94 to 39 in passer rating
97 to 49 in Offensive SP+
97 to 65 in Offensive FEI

Not too shabby when you consider where they were, Year 1, and what he was working with.

Then in 2020, he goes to Arkansas, and they finish 81st in the country in scoring offense, and 53rd in the country in YPP. Not great, but in 2021, those numbers go to 44th in the country in scoring offense, and 27th in YPP. **** of an improvement, and pretty impressive when you consider that in 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021, Arkansas BEST recruiting class in the SEC was 9th out of 14 teams, and that was 2021. So his older kids, those classes ranked 11th, 10th, and 14th. Talent deficiencies across the board. I think we can all agree that Arkansas isn't out-talenting many teams in the SEC West. But look at the improvement from before he got there. In 2019, Arkansas was 103rd in the country in F+ offensive ranking, which basically combines SP+ and FEI, two of the leading advanced metrics out right now. 2020, the number rose to 56th. In 2021, they're currently 24th. ABSURD improvement.

So let's wrap it all up. Here's a look at where teams were before and after he was the OC at FAU, FSU, Houston, and Arkansas:

FAU 2016 (90th in F+) -- 2017 with Briles (21st) -- 2018 (64th)
Houston 2017 (51st in F+) -- 2018 with Briles (26th) -- 2019 (60th)
FSU 2018 (97th in F+) -- 2019 with Briles (61st) -- 2020 (83rd)
2019 Houston (103rd in F+) -- 2020 with Briles (56th) -- 2021 with Briles (24th)

So, literally EVERY SINGLE STOP he's had in his career, the offense was worse the year before he got there, improved when he was there, and declined as soon as he left. Every single time. And this doesn't even include the Baylor years, where they were perennially the best offense in the entire country. Bottom line, this dude is so **** legit. Can you imagine what he'd do in the ******* ACC Coastal with a massive talent advantage, a superstar QB, Alex Mirabal coaching his OL, the skill players we have here......good lord. I like Brady a lot, but honestly this dude is even more consistently proven than Brady is. He's called plays at this level for years, with eye-popping IMMEDIATE results. What more can you possibly want? Give this dude all our skill and speed and watch out.
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Good post, I liked it last week and I wish I could like it again. Legit alpha. What's interesting to me is that some of the same people here who were clamoring for Lane as HC are the same people tearing down Briles, who was incredibly successful... as Lane's OC at FAU.


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OrangeBowlMagic said:
This may very well be moot since there's heavy smoke that Joe Brady will be hired as the OC, but I just want to educate some folks on here cause I've seen some REALLY poor takes RE: Briles over the past couple days. And there were at least some mentions of mutual interest between Mario and Kendal, so potentially if the Brady stuff is untrue or falls through, i REALLY hope we jump all over Briles. Again, I'm not saying he'd come or that Mario would have him, but there is an active thread that supposedly someone is reporting that there is mutual interest. And I want you guys to understand that, if the starts align somehow, this guy would be a MONSTER hire for us.

First of all, if you're just going to point to his performance with FSU, namely against us in 2019, as your only evidence that he sucks, please just hit "back" on your browser now and find another thread. But we'll get there in a minute.

First of all, his resume:

We all know he's Art's son, and we all know some shady **** went down at Baylor. That's irrelevant at this point, he's been vetted by multiple schools and I'm not going to be the moral police here. It was multiple years ago.. But Art is a ******* genius at calling offensive football, and Kendal is certainly a chip off the old block.

He played at Houston until 2005, and joined his daddy's staff in 2008. He worked at Baylor for 9 years, watching Art blow the doors off college football for years before he was promoted to the OC in 2015.

What did Baylor do in 2015? Oh, not much, they just led the entire county in PPG against FBS competition at 46.6 PPG, went 10-3, and won the Citrus Bowl.

In 2016, the **** hit the fan with the sexual assault scandal, Art was fired in the spring, and they brought in Jim Grobe to be the HC. The team floundered, they went 7-6, they were still a Top 30 offense but it wasn't the prolific ****-fest that we were used to in years past.

2017 comes, Baylor is obviously nuked, and Briles leaves to go to FAU to work with Lane. So here is where his sample size really begins to take shape, because I know people are going to say the Baylor stuff was just because of his dad and Art was the maestro there. In 2017, FAU starts slow, but ends the season 7th in the country in scoring offense (40.2 PPG) and 9th in the country in YPP. They win a conference championship, and a Bowl Game.

2018 rolls around, Briles is lured away from Boca and ends up at his Alma Mater, Houston, working under Major Applewhite. In his first and only season in Houston, they finish 7th in the country in scoring offense (41.8 PPG), and 12th in the country in YPP. Unfortunately, our boy Mark Onofrio is the DC there, and they only finish the year 7-6. Side note, they were 92nd in the country in YPP allowed under Onofrio. El oh el.

2019, Willie comes calling at FSU, so Kendal packs his bags to Tallahassee. Here is where we become most familiar with him, of course, and where this perceived bad reputation somehow stems from. In 2019, FSU was terrible, and Taggart was fired midway through the season. The offense was not great, but when you compare it to where it was the year before, in 2018, Briles actually improved it rather considerably. Mind you, it's widely believed that FSU had the literal worst offensive line in the entire P5, and one of probably the 5-10 worst in all of FBS. He inherited James Blackman and Alex Hornibrook. It's been widely reported that Taggart meddled in the offense constantly, since he knew he was on the hot seat rather quickly. And here is still what Briles did:

107 to 70 in YPP
112 to 74 in scoring offense
128 to 105 in YPC
127 to 93 in Rushing yards per game
94 to 39 in passer rating
97 to 49 in Offensive SP+
97 to 65 in Offensive FEI

Not too shabby when you consider where they were, Year 1, and what he was working with.

Then in 2020, he goes to Arkansas, and they finish 81st in the country in scoring offense, and 53rd in the country in YPP. Not great, but in 2021, those numbers go to 44th in the country in scoring offense, and 27th in YPP. **** of an improvement, and pretty impressive when you consider that in 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021, Arkansas BEST recruiting class in the SEC was 9th out of 14 teams, and that was 2021. So his older kids, those classes ranked 11th, 10th, and 14th. Talent deficiencies across the board. I think we can all agree that Arkansas isn't out-talenting many teams in the SEC West. But look at the improvement from before he got there. In 2019, Arkansas was 103rd in the country in F+ offensive ranking, which basically combines SP+ and FEI, two of the leading advanced metrics out right now. 2020, the number rose to 56th. In 2021, they're currently 24th. ABSURD improvement.

So let's wrap it all up. Here's a look at where teams were before and after he was the OC at FAU, FSU, Houston, and Arkansas:

FAU 2016 (90th in F+) -- 2017 with Briles (21st) -- 2018 (64th)
Houston 2017 (51st in F+) -- 2018 with Briles (26th) -- 2019 (60th)
FSU 2018 (97th in F+) -- 2019 with Briles (61st) -- 2020 (83rd)
2019 Houston (103rd in F+) -- 2020 with Briles (56th) -- 2021 with Briles (24th)

So, literally EVERY SINGLE STOP he's had in his career, the offense was worse the year before he got there, improved when he was there, and declined as soon as he left. Every single time. And this doesn't even include the Baylor years, where they were perennially the best offense in the entire country. Bottom line, this dude is so **** legit. Can you imagine what he'd do in the ******* ACC Coastal with a massive talent advantage, a superstar QB, Alex Mirabal coaching his OL, the skill players we have here......good lord. I like Brady a lot, but honestly this dude is even more consistently proven than Brady is. He's called plays at this level for years, with eye-popping IMMEDIATE results. What more can you possibly want? Give this dude all our skill and speed and watch out.
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Bring him to me.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
He's the one name I've heard mentioned more than anyone else. Doesn't necessarily mean everything, but I sure hope where there's smoke......
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Came in here to touch on that. The fact that his name is getting the most “smoke” now, probably means it won’t be him unfortunately lol. Again, I hope I’m wrong. I think it would be a grade A hire.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
We're not doing this. He has a sample size going on a decade. We're not talking about 60 minutes vs Manny Diaz with a High School team and Cam Akers.
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A decade or more sample size and no national title or CPF appearances from anyone who has ran this offense including his daddy? Can he win the ACC with this offense? Yes. Lashlee **** near won it for Manny if Manny had any defense whatsoever so I wont say Kendal Briles cant. But what happens when we start playing the big dogs? Can this offense win the natty? Which is the table we are sitting at when you are talking about the amount of money being invested into the program right now PLUS a HC making 8M per year.

I said hes the "Mike D'Antoni" of college football. Regular season will be fun. Postseason probably wont be.
 
Jassid82 said:
A decade or more sample size and no national title or CPF appearances from anyone who has ran this offense including his daddy? Can he win the ACC with this offense? Yes. Lashlee **** near won it for Manny if Manny had any defense whatsoever so I wont say Kendal Briles cant. But what happens when we start playing the big dogs? Can this offense win the natty? Which is the table we are sitting at when you are talking about the amount of money being invested into the program right now PLUS a HC making 8M per year.

I said hes the "Mike D'Antoni" of college football. Regular season will be fun. Postseason probably wont be.
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Man, can we win the **** coastal first? God forbid the ACC?
 
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E1k said:
I agree with this, briles is good but if we hire him I hope we keep likens or get a pass game coordinator to pair with him. I’ve been watching games of his offense at Arkansas and the route concepts/play designs are meh.

His best attribute is probably his sequencing which is important but the play calls are redundant everybody mentions the bama game but I don’t think that makes a great case for him like most think, the lsu and Georgia game were just horrendous. Maybe the offense is catered to that qb but I’m just not sold from what I’ve seen so far

To the point of his offense not helping players transition to the nfl, I can see why. There’s not anything pushing the players (especially QB) to get better mentally. Compared to Brady who’s concepts are what the nfl is transitioning to. For jake and tvd they can be successful but I fear vs good competition it wont look good with briles
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Good post and fair points to consider
 
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