Kalen Deboer

[Rellyrell]

I’m not lowering any standards and I’m not saying that’s what we paid $8m per year for as I have specified. I’m not saying that what he’s won is what we paid for. I’ve posted clearly how I feel about the overall performance. All this is a given to me or anyone who’s followed my posts.

So getting to what I’m talking about, particularly here, I’ve said that the positive consolation I see in his tenure is that he stabilized the program - which is the most basic, important thing we needed. I stand by that. Doesn’t mean I think we got what we hoped or paid for but we did get what we absolutely needed which is some stability.

You can look at everything and just say it sucks or you can try to find something positive to build on while stating that he hasn’t met expectations in terms of taking the program to a higher level.

U said Mario is a 7-9 win coach, correct? I’m saying that’s not stabilizing the program; that’s literally what everyone else was, so that’s a wasted $8m.

We brought in Mario to elevate past the 7-9 threshold. That wasn’t taking a shot at u vs. stating facts. If that’s what we’re to expect, then we should’ve stayed w Diaz. Quite literally, he’s a 7-9 win coach. That extra $4 million could’ve just bought him recruits.

My optimism is that Mario tends to do well when he has a true QB1, which I highlighted when we got Ward. Did we have an easy path to the CFP & blow it? Yes, but it was also the most fun we had as a fan base since 2017. The other optimism is he & Alex are A-1 OL coaches, so keeping QBs upright or creating holes for our RB can give us a punchers chance vs. anyone.

My gripe is not feeling 7-9 is OK or satisfactory b/c it’s not. Maybe if we were Miami of OH, sure, but that’s the purest definition of CFB purgatory.

 

[TOcane]

I think anything less than 8 wins undercuts us being stable. 9 or more and I feel better. I have us at 7-8 wins. I think Mario is a 7-9 win coach who can some better years but I’m not optimistic on his ceiling. Last year was the year and we didn’t even get to the ACCCG.

I think he is doing a good job and we are on the up, but anything less than 9 and the stabilization is getting rocky outside of Beck being hurt and we win 7-8 games with Nickel or something like that.

 

[RVACane]

U said Mario is a 7-9 win coach, correct? I’m saying that’s not stabilizing the program; that’s literally what everyone else was, so that’s a wasted $8m.

We brought in Mario to elevate past the 7-9 threshold. That wasn’t taking a shot at u vs. stating facts. If that’s what we’re to expect, then we should’ve stayed w Diaz. Quite literally, he’s a 7-9 win coach. That extra $4 million could’ve just bought him recruits.

My optimism is that Mario tends to do well when he has a true QB1, which I highlighted when we got Ward. Did we have an easy path to the CFP & blow it? Yes, but it was also the most fun we had as a fan base since 2017. The other optimism is he & Alex are A-1 OL coaches, so keeping QBs upright or creating holes for our RB can give us a punchers chance vs. anyone.

My gripe is not feeling 7-9 is OK or satisfactory b/c it’s not. Maybe if we were Miami of OH, sure, but that’s the purest definition of CFB purgatory.

I said he raised the floor from 5-7 to 7-8 or 9. I think he’s a 7-9 or 8-9 win coach sure with the upside to get to 10 or so like last year which, again, I’m the one on here who’s pointed out repeatedly that he couldn’t get to the ACCCG with Cam Ward, that roster and that schedule.

I’m the one on here also pointing out to the board that Mario has essentially the same record as manny with far more resources. In this thread I think I said he took Manny’s 7 win team and won 5 games with it. I obviously don’t think Mario achieved what was expected thus far based on all this. I think Kalen DeBoer is better and I think the MarioBros and similar who don’t admit that are not being honest with themselves or they’re on bad weed.

I said I think he stabilized the program by raising the floor [from dumpster fire to an above average situation]. Not what I hoped for but at least we won’t be back to the post-Shannon, post-Golden, post-Manny coaching search days if the situation is stabilized. We can go and get a better coach who might actually take the job instead of laughing because we won’t be looked at like Duke and Vandy. And that isn’t going to be for a while so we’re stuck with him which is another reason I am pointing out the stabilization thing. It’s gonna be a while.

As a program, the perception I see is that we’re in a better place now than we were under Manny. That does not equate to me thinking he met lofty expectations for a then-lofty salary and big time resources. But for me, first and foremost, we needed stability in that spot. We were free falling and needed someone to stop the bleeding and I think he’s done that to a degree. I think 9 or 10 wins this year builds on the reinforcement of stability. And at the same time I’ll call him out for not meeting the expectations from his hiring in getting us to an upper tier level but I’m happy that at least we got stability for the next hire. You might not think there’s at least a perception of more stability let alone stability at 8-9 wins per year and I disagree.

If we win 8-9 year in and year out, the situation is not where we want it but the floor has been raised and the bleeding has been cut back a good bit from when he arrived.

 

[RVACane]

I think he is doing a good job and we are on the up, but anything less than 9 and the stabilization is getting rocky outside of Beck being hurt and we win 7-8 games with Nickel or something like that.

I think we win 7-8 though I am pushing 8 at the moment if or when there’s a prediction thread lol. I question how Beck is and will remain plus I don’t like the middle of our defense in the front 7. I also don’t know what we have at WR. That said, Mario and Beck could surprise me too. If Beck is healthy and good, I’d think we could exceed this for sure.

 

[Rellyrell]

I said he raised the floor from 5-7 to 7-8 or 9. I think he’s a 7-9 or 8-9 win coach sure with the upside to get to 10 or so like last year which, again, I’m the one on here who’s pointed out repeatedly that he couldn’t get to the ACCCG with Cam Ward, that roster and that schedule.

I’m the one on here also pointing out to the board that Mario has essentially the same record as manny with far more resources. In this thread I think I said he took Manny’s 7 win team and won 5 games with it. I obviously don’t think Mario achieved what was expected thus far based on all this. I think Kalen DeBoer is better and I think the MarioBros and similar who don’t admit that are not being honest with themselves or they’re on bad weed.

I said I think he stabilized the program by raising the floor [from dumpster fire to an above average situation]. Not what I hoped for but at least we won’t be back to the post-Shannon, post-Golden, post-Manny coaching search days if the situation is stabilized. We can go and get a better coach who might actually take the job instead of laughing because we won’t be looked at like Duke and Vandy. And that isn’t going to be for a while so we’re stuck with him which is another reason I am pointing out the stabilization thing. It’s gonna be a while.

As a program, the perception I see is that we’re in a better place now than we were under Manny. That does not equate to me thinking he met lofty expectations for a then-lofty salary and big time resources. But for me, first and foremost, we needed stability in that spot. We were free falling and needed someone to stop the bleeding and I think he’s done that to a degree. I think 9 or 10 wins this year builds on the reinforcement of stability. And at the same time I’ll call him out for not meeting the expectations from his hiring in getting us to an upper tier level but I’m happy that at least we got stability for the next hire. You might not think there’s at least a perception of more stability let alone stability at 8-9 wins per year and I disagree.

If we win 8-9 year in and year out, the situation is not where we want it but the floor has been raised and the bleeding has been cut back a good bit from when he arrived.

I’ll acquiesce. U got it

 

[TemplarCane]

There’s a stark difference between Tom Herman & Kalen DeBoer:

Herman at UH (G5 version):
Yr 1: 13-1
Yr 2: 9-3

Texas (Big 12):
Yr 1: 7-6
Yr 2: 10-4
Yr 3: 8-5
Yr 4: 7-3

DeBoer at FrSU (G5):
Yr 1: 3-3
Yr 2: 9-3

UW (PAC-12):
Yr 1: 11-2
Yr 2: 14-1

Bama (SEC):
Yr 1: 9-4
Yr 2: ?

The difference is Herman started out hot & fizzled. He went 13-1, & then went a combined 41-21. DeBoer started 3-3, & then went a combined 43-10. Whether it’s been Sioux Falls, FrSU, UW, or now Bama, Yr 1 for him has been his worst (ex. Sioux Falls went 11-2 then 14-0), & it’s gotten better thereafter.

If Bama has another yr 1 under DeBoer, not only would I be thoroughly shocked, but I would gladly eat crow. I highly doubt it, but we’ll see.

I was being sarcastic, trying to make the point CIS loves to treat other team’s head coaches like fans treat back up quarterbacks. Everyone’s favorite.

I think DaBoer will succeed at Alabama, although not at the Saban level. The transfer portal, NIL, and revenue sharing level the playing field somewhat. The Tide have the program infrastructure and resources to compete with anybody. I would not surprise me if he won a national championship or two. Given how the SEC will have four automatic berths in the expanded CFP playoffs, there is no reason to not expect them to be one of those four teams probably every single season.

Mario has a built-in more difficult path as long as Miami plays in the ACC. He is definitely assembles more talent, but I don’t think he gets over the hump of consistent top five classes given more five star players want to play in either the SEC or BIG 10. He will need to hit home runs on coordinators and staff, which he hasn’t done so far. Hopefully the new DC and defensive staff prove to be the real deal and Miami makes the next move to an ACC title and CFP run.

Let’s get the season started!

 

[Caneofcanes]

I think anything less than 8 wins undercuts us being stable. 9 or more and I feel better. I have us at 7-8 wins. I think Mario is a 7-9 win coach who can some better years but I’m not optimistic on his ceiling. Last year was the year and we didn’t even get to the ACCCG.

He was winning more than 7 at Oregon. I say 10+ easily if the recruiting trajectory continues. We also glaring holes on defense that everyone knew and talked about before the season. Year 4 will tell us a lot. I’m on the optimistic side. Gotta win some more recruiting battles to stabilize some positions.

 

[RVACane]

He was winning more than 7 at Oregon. I say 10+ easily if the recruiting trajectory continues. We also glaring holes on defense that everyone knew and talked about before the season. Year 4 will tell us a lot. I’m on the optimistic side. Gotta win some more recruiting battles to stabilize some positions.

The middle of the defense in the front 7 is what has me most concerned, assuming Beck is fine.