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bshaw28 said:
Herbert has plenty of time to develop still. But this is where the OL recruiting not being where it needs to be shows up.

We have 4 Star guys that may not be ready until they're upperclassmen, or get hurt, or just don't work out for whatever reason.

Getting 4 4 Star OL over a 3 year period just isn't enough.
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Star whores are the worst. Only 4* guys can play? Tell that to Gauthier.

And we recruited OL well in 2017, 2018, and if we get Neal, 2019 as well.

OL recruiting is actually right where it needs to be, it just wasn't in 2015 and 206
 
Gator Hatar said:
A pull for all these kids but his performance has nothing to do with his shoulder. At this point it’s his abilities or lack there of
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WTF are you talking about. He didn't practice last season much after the Toledo game, bc he re injured his shoulder. Combine that with lack of strength gain and yes, he is behind some in his development. Spring ball wasn't great because he wasn't strong. Let it play out. If he sucks, so be it, but the poor kid has literally practiced for about 20%, if that, of his time on campus.
 
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TheRichtShow said:
Have you ever injured your shoulder? It sucks, and if its bad you can't do any lifting. Seems like Herbert has a recurring issue, which is bad news because even if he can practice, his strength won't be there.

This kid missed all of last year with a shoulder that required surgery, and you say it has nothing to do with his performance?

That's just dumb, no other way to put it
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Yes I have. Motorcycle fall. My point is the abilities would still be there, his kick, agility and recognizing stunts (switching) are skills that would elicit positive evaluation for any O Tackle. You may not be able to hold off DT and DE, but the staff would know it's because of an injury and would be high on the player anyway. Not hearing that this year.
 
TheRichtShow said:
Star whores are the worst. Only 4* guys can play? Tell that to Gauthier.

And we recruited OL well in 2017, 2018, and if we get Neal, 2019 as well.

OL recruiting is actually right where it needs to be, it just wasn't in 2015 and 206
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OL Recruiting 2014 - 2018

4 star - (8) McDermott, Darling, St. Louis, Milo, Donaldson, Herbert, Scaife, Reed
3 Star - (10) Linder, Jones, Loftus, Mahoney, Gauthier, Johnson, Hillery, Dykstra, Gaynor, Campbell

Which group looks more talented to you?

Stars matter - they just do. Higher rated players become better players a larger % of the time.

And at a position that needs 5 guys on the field at all times, 4 4 Star guys over 3 years isn't enough.
 
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Who would yall have him start ahead of, St. Louis or Donaldson?

The Tackles spots are locked in, at the most he has to step up to prove he's a backup with potential to play if anybody were to get injured.

And if you watched him in HS at AH, he was always an inconsistent player. He's an athletic lineman but he's never been an anchor at Tackle. I always felt he would be best at Guard in college, but due to lack of depth we kind of have to play him at Tackle.

IMO, Campbell & Hillery have way higher upside at the LT/RT going forward. Herbert can still be good for us, he's just a Sophomore, it's just a matter of getting healthy & staying consistent.

But I will say as much as yall get on some coaches on staff, Searels is the one who deserves more heat than anybody. This OL needs to see drastic improvement this year, I'm tired of the offense supposedly being held back because of the OL can't do simple run & pass blocking.
 
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Umfuture said:
Difficult to really work upper body hard with a lingering shoulder injury like that.
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Pretty much every functional lift gets excluded if one should is stationary. It’s no surprise he is behind. Shoulder injuries take as long or longer than ACLs to recover
 
Lu and D$ had some thoughts on him after I asked about him yesterday.

On signing day, I thought, if he got stronger, he would have been a nice G/RT type prospect.
 
The Franchise said:
I’m talking star rankings at those spots not recruiting. Baga doesn't do the ranking.
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Yea I know but the 4 and 5 star Dts they sign play like 4 and 5 stars more often. Even though I'd rather admit to finding my great uncle attractive then saying that out loud.
 
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bshaw28 said:
OL Recruiting 2014 - 2018

4 star - (8) McDermott, Darling, St. Louis, Milo, Donaldson, Herbert, Scaife, Reed
3 Star - (10) Linder, Jones, Loftus, Mahoney, Gauthier, Johnson, Hillery, Dykstra, Gaynor, Campbell

Which group looks more talented to you?

Stars matter - they just do. Higher rated players become better players a larger % of the time.

And at a position that needs 5 guys on the field at all times, 4 4 Star guys over 3 years isn't enough.
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4 4-star guys over 2 years is a much fairer representation of this staff.

Putting up stats inclusive of the 2016 recruiting class when Coach Searels was hired like a month before NSD paints an inaccurate picture. Golden/Scott/Kehoe only had Jawaan Taylor -- a 3* who started every game at OT last year -- committed on the OL, and he decommitted before Richt was hired and ended up a gaytor. The class was in such bad shape Searels settled for bringing in Tre Johnson (who is also gone).

Actually, I don't think there's a single 2016 scholarship OL on the roster. This is a problem, as OL generally take more time to develop and contribute. The 2016 class would be heading into year 3 as Canes and looking to contribute, but there just aren't any of those guys on the team.

We have better depth and talent now, but that talent will need some time to develop. 2017 and 2018 classes were much more promising. Searels & Co brought in four 4* recruits (Donaldson, Herbert, Scaife, Reed) and four 3* recruits (Hillery, Dykstra, Gaynor, Campbell), plus Boulware as a GT (a former 3* with 2 years of eligibility left). 2019 is also looking promising (so long as Neal commits). It just takes a longer to correct recruiting misses on the OL because of the nature of the position.

Side Note: Trevor Darling was a high 4* and a top 10 OT in the country coming out of high school. But he developed into an overweight turnstile incapable of remembering snap counts or staying on his feet. OL is not an easy position to project.
 
was a project tackle to begin with despite the ranking. He is athletic, but doesnt have good feet or strength early on...expect to see him make a push into the rotation next year though or by spring if the injury is through
 
The Franchise said:
Star system at OL and DT is useless. Total guesswork at those two spots.
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iDL - A lot of four and five star spots are occupied by these big, 320lb+ types that dominate in HS because they are big af, but are really being phased out of the game. What was the prototype, became a two down player, but is now really a one down or specialist player, but they are all over the high end rankings...not sure if its because the people in charge of it simply haven't adapted, or don't know any better, or whatever...but the game is changing and the same types of recruits are still at the top. Fast twitch, quick first step penetrators with room to grow SHOULD be rated higher, but no one has adapted yet.

You do see though, the same teams tend to recruit well on the interior DL (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU under Jimbo, Michigan, Clemson, Ohio State, Florida, UCLA, Miss State under Mullen) tend to be the teams that get the "hits" in the five and four star spectrum. It comes with plenty of busts or eventual role players in this range, too, which is why its important to recruit for volume.

OL - I tend to disagree...at least for OT...a lot of five and four star recruits end up being legit players and start.
 
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